Obama to be in Poland this May

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 06:08 #1
US president Barack Obama could be in Warsaw this May to attend a summit of Central and Eastern European leaders, an advisor to President Komorowski has told Polish Radio. http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul146911_obama-in-poland-this -may.html

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Jan 9, 11, 06:17 #2
It's not a sure thing, yet.

Ashleys mindThreads: 7 Posts: 1,346 Joined: Nov 2, 10 ♀	Jan 9, 11, 10:36 #3
Is he running for mayor?

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 11:59 #4
It's about time. Obama has been only miles away from Poland during visits to Germany and the Czech Republic but never saw fit to drop in and say 'czesc'. Durig his election capaign he didn't once see fit to address a Polish-American gathering.

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Edited by: Stu Jan 9, 11, 12:11 #5

Polonius, when he visits some country (well, not only he, but any head of state), it's not like you drop into some friend's house. Just ring the doorbell with a couple of lagers and say hello. There is security, there is a program, there are both parties' diaries etc ... to consider. Does Putin drop by in Warsaw every so often? Or Merkel? Or Klaus? Or Gasparovic? Or Lukashenko? Or Yanukovich? Does Komorowski drops into the these countries for a surprise visit every so often? Or did Kaczynski? Be a little more realistic, will you?

And why would he have to address a Polish-American gathering? Are they a major force in American politics to be reckoned with? Then he'd have had to address the Germans as well, the English ex-pats, Canadians, French, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, hell ... maybe even the Dutch. Ridiculous notion, if you ask me! Delusions of grandure, maybe ... ?!

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 9, 11, 12:18 #6
Polonius3: Durig his election capaign he didn't once see fit to address a Polish-American gathering. Why would he? Most of them are conservative rednecks. Stu: Delusions of grandure, maybe ... ?! Usual nonsense from Polacks - they seem to think that they represent some sort of minority. Minority of idiots, perhaps.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 9, 11, 12:50 #7
Obama to be in Poland this May many people coming to Poland

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 14:21 #8
He met and addressed Jews, Hispanics, Blacks and others. Polish Americans outnumber at least the Jews: PolAms estimated 10-12 million, JewAms -- 6 mln.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 14:53 #9
I hope he will not start hitting on polish girls to get a visa.

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Edited by: Stu Jan 9, 11, 14:57 #10

Polonius3:

PolAms estimated 10-12 million

If you count everyone that arrived from the year 1608 (!!!) in the Virginia colony you are right. And probably half of them don't even care they are from Polish-American descent. Holy crap ... then I can start shouting off the roofs that the Dutch founded New York over 400 years ago. That would be just as stupid!

And let me quote you from the 2000 US-census: "According to the 2000 United States Census, 667,414 Americans over 5 years old reported Polish as the language spoken at home, which is about 1.4% of the census groups who speak a language other than English or 0.25% of the U.S. population.".

Those are real Polish Americans ... not the other 9,4 to 11,4 million of people you claim.

And don't start about Chicago: "Chicago bills itself as the largest Polish city outside of Poland, with approximately 185,000 Polish language speakers." (The Polish Community in Metro Chicago:A Community Profile of Strengths and Needs, A Census 2000 Report, published by the Polish American Association June 2004, p. 18).

Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_American: "Therefore, of the 10 million Polish Americans, only a certain portion are of Polish ethnic descent."

So ... I guess I am right ... delusions of grandure on your part.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jan 9, 11, 15:28 #11
southern: I hope he will not start hitting on polish girls to get a visa. no, not necessary. Tusk would grant him few just as a gesture of Polish loyalty Then, for sure, Obama intend to found out are all those Jewish recipients in Poland, who paid for organs from butchered Kosovo Serbs, satisfied. After all, NATO/EU did its best to provide good distribution and coverage with blood and organs.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 15:39 #12
Stu: delusions of grandure on your part. The delusion of grandure is on his part it's a summit of Central and Eastern European leaders . It's not like he'll have something to contribute there, a photo op at best for domestic (US) consumption.

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Edited by: Stu Jan 9, 11, 15:45 #13
Okay ... so he goes to a summit (where he is probably invited by the other leaders) and you resent it. He doesn't go and you'll resent him for it. Well ... he can't do anything right then, can he? Again ... some realism and common sense might go a long way.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 15:51 #14
Grandeur for the domestic electorate, to show himself as a busy bee without accomplishing any significant foreign policy. Foreign travel you know, Hawaii doesn't really count as a foreign trip and guess what, neither dropping in for a cup of coffee in Warsaw.

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 15:58 #15
Do you really think the domestic electorate cares a rat's a$$ about him visiting some summit of central and eastern european leaders ... ?! They'd rather see him stay at home than going to some insignificant little summit.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 16:01 #16
Stu: They'd rather see him stay at home than going to some insignificant little summit. Perhaps you should suggest it to him. Staying home and taking care of domestic problems like economy might be a better idea, don't you think?

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 16:05 #17
And then there'll be the likes of Polonius (and maybe you) who'll say that he doesn't care about the Poles or Polish Americans. So the fact of the matter is that he is buggered if he does and buggered if he doesn't. Still not much realism there, I would say.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 16:09 #18
Stu: And then there'll be the likes of Polonius (and maybe you) who'll say that he doesn't care about the Poles or Polish Americans. That's just it, why do you think he might take that trip? Precisely for that reason to show he cares when in reality all he'll do is sip his coffee and catch-up on a latest gossip and perhaps an excuse for Michelle to do some shopping.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 16:32 #19
I'd say most American Presidents that have visited Poland didn't really care too much. It's not exactly high on the "things Americans care about" list.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Edited by: ShortHairThug Jan 9, 11, 16:43 #20
convex: It's not exactly high on the "things Americans care about" list. Like I've said a photo op to be played for the domestic Polish-American crowd, no more.

valpomikeThreads: 20 Posts: 244 Joined: Apr 20, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 16:53 #21
If and when he does come to Poland, please keep him, if you love him so much, because we here in the USA don't. He is the worst president we have ever had. He only won election due to his color, and will never win re-election. He is not even a American, and he is Muslin. Who needs him, we don't.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 16:59 #22
Polonius3: It's about time. Obama has been only miles away from Poland during visits to Germany and the Czech Republic but never saw fit to drop in and say 'czesc'. Yea he's coming now, when he knows he's "done" in the States and has nothing better to do.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jan 9, 11, 17:21 #23
hypothetical dialogue that never happened: Obama: and so my friend, when you decide to travel to Russia in order to improve relations with them, just make sure to put complete Polish leadership in that plane. Kaczynski: but complete cabinet? Obama: those are my conditions.

FlaglessPoleThreads: 7 Posts: 1,394 Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 17:56 #24
Crow: Kaczynski: but complete cabinet? lol lol I bet he was thinking ; yeah I'm gonna shove that old ugly cupboard onto a plane and let the fvcker burn..., but then he was advised against it ;)

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Edited by: PennBoy Jan 9, 11, 18:26 #25

Stu:

10 million Polish Americans

Actually 90% of them are ethnic Poles, the rest are mainly Jews born in Poland that are still alive. And the census counts based on whether you are fully or mostly, for instance if you're half Polish half Irish American and you feel more Irish you'll be counted as Irish not Polish. Therefore there are 10 million Polish Americans and an another 10 million who are of at least partial Polish ancestry. http://www.polishamericancenter.org/PolishPeople_Phila.html

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Jan 9, 11, 18:33 #26

PennBoy:

Yea he's coming now, when he knows he's "done" in the States and has nothing better to do.

Done? His approval rating continues to hover between 45-50% - when you add in the liberal voters who don't approve of him (but who would never vote Republican) - he's over the top.

Doesn't sound "done" to me - in fact, sounds like he's potentially doing enough to get re-elected.

PennBoy:

Actually 90% of them are ethnic Poles

What utter rubbish. Someone who has American parents, American grandparents and American great-grandparents isn't ethnically Polish - he's American!

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Jan 9, 11, 18:46 #27

delphiandomine:

Doesn't sound "done" to me - in fact, sounds like he's potentially doing enough to get re-elected.

What do you know you don't even live here.

delphiandomine:

What utter rubbish. Someone who has American parents, American grandparents and American great-grandparents isn't ethnically Polish - he's American!

There's no such thing as ethnic American, well maybe Native Americans (Indians).

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Edited by: Stu Jan 9, 11, 18:47 #28

PennBoy:

Actually 90% of them are ethnic Poles,

No ... they are not ... Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_American: "Therefore, of the 10 million Polish Americans, only a certain portion are of Polish ethnic descent."

And I tend to agree. It would be stupid to call Martin van Buren, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Theodore Roosevelt "Dutch" presidents of the US. Or the Bush's who count members of the Schuyler family and the related Beekman family among their ancestors (http://www.wargs.com/political/bush.html) or brag about the fact that the Dutch were the first to salute the flag, and therefore the first to acknowledge the independence of the United States on 16 November 1776.

So I could ask the same silly question why Obama didn't hold a speech for the Dutch expats, since "we" provided 5 presidents (how many presidents did the Poles provide?), founded New York and were the first to salute the flag. If that would be important to me (i.e. would make me think that Obama really should have held a speech for the Dutch expats), I should have seriously considered to call for a shrink and a couple of nurses with straight-jackets.

Bullshit ... it's history. So trying to drag the Poles who came in 1608 to the US into the equation is just stupid.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 9, 11, 18:51 #29
delphiandomine: What utter rubbish. Someone who has American parents, American grandparents and American great-grandparents isn't ethnically Polish - he's American! The only people that are ethnically American are the Native Americans.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 9, 11, 18:57 #30
delphiandomine: What utter rubbish. Someone who has American parents, American grandparents and American great-grandparents isn't ethnically Polish - he's American! As apple pie.

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