Palikot or the Poles getting rid of the Polish society old Taboos in 2011?

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Oct 13, 11, 09:36 #1

A Taboo beeing a a strong social prohibition (or ban) relating to any area of human activity or social custom that is sacred and forbidden based on moral judgment and religious beliefs, one can say that with 10% voters in favour of Palikot in 2011, Poles are getting rid or at least challenging the old taboos of Polish Society which are so far:

1) Refusal of Public funding for the Roman Catholic Church in Poland and henceworth challenging its omnipresent place in the society
2) Equality in terms of salaries between men and women
3)Freedom in sexual orientation(gay friendly) and transgender
4)Same- sex marriages

What else?
Is there any other taboo you can think of in Polish society?

In otherwords Poland is becoming as tolerant as Spain or the UK but given its History it is a new Revolution for Poland.

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 09:40 #2
LwowskaKrakow: In otherwords Poland is becoming as tolerant as Spain or the UK but given its History it is a new Revolution for Poland. It is quite amazing really: Poland's MPs now include people who are openly gay, trangendered, non-white! If you had told me ten years ago that any of such people would be elected MPs in Poland, I would have laughed at you.

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Oct 13, 11, 09:55 #3

LwowskaKrakow:

1) Refusal of Public funding for the Roman Catholic Church in Poland and henceworth challenging its omnipresent place in the society

I actually think this would ultimately be good for the Church. I think (using historical precedent) people would respect the church a lot more if there were a stronger line between church and state and if the church didn't dabble in politics.

Compulsory religious education has also backfired and produced a generation that no longer respects the church.

It's really too bad that no one on the right will make these points, they surrender the field of debate to аss clowns like Palikot and do more damage to the church that Palikot ever could.

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Oct 13, 11, 09:58 #4

LwowskaKrakow:

In otherwords Poland is becoming as tolerant as Spain or the UK

I wouldn't go quite that far yet, but Poland is undoubtedly becoming more socially liberal. Ten years ago my uni students did not criticize RC Church PLC, they felt free to use racist epithets, and the women giggled when the word feminist was used by a female professor. I have heard students in the last few years openly claim to be atheist, verbally attack the Church, talk about gay people with fellow-feeling (no openly gay students yet where I am) and generally show themselves to be much more tolerant than their parents' generation.

LwowskaKrakow:

Is there any other taboo you can think of in Polish society?

Lots. And there is a societal need for some of them.

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Oct 13, 11, 10:28 #5

mafketis:

they surrender the field of debate to аss clowns like Palikot and do more damage to the church that Palikot ever could.

A very interesting point mafketis, Palikot and his politics are clownish, the young Poles have travelled feel part of the European community once again. When they had JP11 they were proud to be considered the last bastion of faith in Europe. Now they are surrendering their banner to people like Palikot, what they don't seem to understand, once they loose their values and surrender to western liberalism, the slippery slope is very steep and fast.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 11:27 #6
Wedle: surrender to western liberalism Poland of course has a centuries' old liberal tradition.

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 11:44 #7
JonnyM: Poland of course has a centuries' old liberal tradition. Yes. It should be remembered that the word liberal is a term of abuse only among right-wing Americans of the Tea Party type. Elsewhere the word stands for tolerance, fair play, open-mindedness, willingness to listen, and intellectual curiosity.

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Edited by: aphrodisiac Oct 13, 11, 11:47 #8

LwowskaKrakow:

In otherwords Poland is becoming as tolerant as Spain or the UK but given its History it is a new Revolution for Poland.

I would not call it a revolution, but there are some changes due to travel (joining EU), more money(joining EU) and less isolation from the world(joining EU).

More changes are coming, but at the same time the gap between the liberal and the traditional is widening, which I would like to elaborate on, but perhaps some other time, since I just had breakfast and I am full:).

Palikot should not be underestimated, because he is very intelligent and gathered many Poles, who are tired of the PO and PiS spilt/war. He is capable of changing his skin as it suits him.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 11:52 #9
No catholic country is liberal.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Oct 13, 11, 11:53 #10
southern: No catholic country is liberal. Spain is.

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 12:23 #11
aphrodisiac: Spain is. And Italy. A nation which accepts a prime minister who bangs a different prostitute each night must be tolerant... ;)

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Edited by: aphrodisiac Oct 13, 11, 12:25 #12

Palivec:

And Italy. A nation which accepts a prime minister who bangs a different prostitute each night must be tolerant... ;)

so true;).

Many countries are both: catholic and liberal, so southern has no point really, however Polish Catholicism has taken a strange form lately and it is far from supporting liberal thoughts, unless they belong to priests;)- he, he, which, on the serious note proves how CC is full of hypocrisy.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 12:57 #13
Italy is not liberal.It is extremely conservative with women giving it only after marriage in the south.Italian men suffer.That there are lots of gays there(understandable) does not mean they are liberal.I very much prefer the slavic comfort.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 13:01 #14
Depends what you mean exactly anyway. In many respects Spain is very conservative.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 13:03 #15
They are not conservative concerning the taurus.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Edited by: Teffle Oct 13, 11, 13:05 #16
ahem They are fairly open about sex, I'll give them that but gender roles are still very traditional, the church is still powerful, there is a lot of racial intolerance, they can be overly patriotic.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Oct 13, 11, 13:15 #17
Teffle: They are fairly open about sex, I'll give them that but gender roles are still very traditional, the church is still powerful, there is a lot of racial intolerance, they can be overly patriotic. sounds like Poland to a certain degree.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 13:21 #18
Liberalism in its classic form regards anglosaxon countries,northern Germany,Netherlands and Scandinavian countries it is a germanic thing.However protestantism can be combined with extreme puritanism as the case of USA shows.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 13:42 #19
aphrodisiac: sounds like Poland to a certain degree. So you would you regard Poles as being open about sex ? I wouldn't have thought that particularly.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Oct 13, 11, 13:52 #20
Teffle: So you would you regard Poles as being open about sex ? I wouldn't have thought that particularly. neither would I, but considering the strong position of the Polish CC, there is sure a lot of sex going on here, however it is not really an open issue- true:)

NatasaThreads: 7 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 6, 10 MEMBER ♀	Oct 13, 11, 19:35 #21
southern: No catholic country is liberal. Hungary? stop the earth i want to get off

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Edited by: southern Oct 13, 11, 20:40 #22
aphrodisiac: considering the strong position of the Polish CC What is CC?Cum conference? I forgot Hungary.Liberal Magyars riding horses.

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Oct 13, 11, 21:50 #23

Yep, screw it that Poland is one of the most corrupted countries in Europe, that it is a few steps away from default, that high tech products are 0.1% of Polish economy, that a simple court case takes several years before it is sorted out, that and 1000 more things, which don't work right here, screw it all, what matters are "openly gay, trangendered and non-white MPs" ! Wooo hoooo !!! "Anna" will solve the problems of Polish justice system ! I'm sure "she" will prepare a fantastic reforem of education and a revolutionary solutions regarding transfer of knowledge from universities to business ! Ayeeeeeee !

Are you people all so messed up or only Poland somehow attracts such freaks ?

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Edited by: isthatu2 Oct 13, 11, 21:53 #24

I remember the Catholic 6th form girls round here were well known to be,ahem, liberal ;)
I think its daft to say or think that one party has suddenly somehow created a liberal minority in a country, it was always there,just finding a voice (note "a" voice,not "its" voice) in a sea of right and centre right parties and outlooks.
I did say back in 04/05 that within months youngish Poles I knew had begun to moderate their views of "minorities" , working alongside and under people of different skin colour or religion deflated a lot of snobbery and broke the rubbish stereotypes many had been fed for years. Of course some of this was going to be taken back to Poland.

Greg' you for sure are a strange and not very bright creature aint you..... so if this ONE person had been replaced say with ONE other person who happened to be as inbred and servile and bonkers as you,do you think that would have solved all of Polands problems over night? plum.....

WedleThreads: 24 Posts: 786 Joined: Sep 27, 11 ♂	Edited by: Wedle Oct 13, 11, 21:55 #25
JonnyM: Poland of course has a centuries' old liberal tradition. Could you name one county that has a centuries' old liberal tradition. Poland was of course more tolerant than some during her history.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Oct 13, 11, 21:57 #26
Wedle: Could you name one county that has a centuries' old liberal tradition Yes, Poland you Pillock ...that was his point....:) Samoa for a second....

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Oct 14, 11, 22:10 #27

isthatu2:

it was always there

Of course It was always here, I heard nonsense like "Church is the biggest problem of Poland" as far back as I remember but so far no one decided to make a political career based solely on such bullshites.

isthatu2:

Greg' you for sure are a strange and not very bright creature aint you.....

Yes very bright dear mister, please kindly not forget about my racism, antisemitism and what's not.

isthatu2:

so if this ONE person had been replaced say with ONE other person

isthatu2:

do you think that would have solved all of Polands problems over night?

Which one person ? If instead of creaters, who were pushed into the parliament ONLY becasue they changed their gender or are "openly gay" there were people, who got it based on their business/social/academic/political activities, there at least would be some chance that they will push several things forward, now It's a failer by default.

You simply have no clue what I am talking about, It's not that for example Robert Biedroń is a successful entrepreneur, professor, doctor or anything like that, dude is a homo and all his "career" was built on his "gayness". Is that so feckin cool ?

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Oct 14, 11, 23:45 #28

Grzegorz_:

Of course It was always here, I heard nonsense like "Church is the biggest problem of Poland" as far back as I remember but so far no one decided to make a political career based solely on such bullshites.

I love the way that you're falling for Palikot's bait - all he has to do is open his mouth and you're immediately consumed with anger. Why, if I didn't know any better, I'd suspect that PO/PSL will use Palikot to divert attention away from their Government.

Grzegorz_:

Which one person ? If instead of creaters, who were pushed into the parliament ONLY becasue they changed their gender or are "openly gay" there were people, who got it based on their business/social/academic/political activities, there at least would be some chance that they will push several things forward, now It's a failer by default.

Hahaha...you mean, like the wives of people who died in Smolensk? Oh yes, they were highly qualified, by virtue of being married to someone!

You really just can't get over the fact that your party was humiliated again, can you?

And by your party, I mean PiS - there's no way Nowa Prawica members would utter the same crap that you do.

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Oct 15, 11, 00:50 #29

delphiandomine:

you're falling for Palikot's bait

delphiandomine:

you're immediately consumed with anger.

delphiandomine:

You really just can't get over

delphiandomine:

would utter the same crap that you do.

Fascinating... Now anything on topic ? What in my previous post is not true in your opinion ? Please kindly point it out.

delphiandomine:

Hahaha...

Next time add one more "ha", that will devastate all your antisemitic enemies...

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Edited by: Mr Grunwald Oct 17, 11, 23:30 #30

LwowskaKrakow:

In other words Poland is becoming as tolerant as Spain or the UK.

reading that statement is the same as if I saw: a tiger (Spain) and a wolf (UK) eating meat while the gorilla (Poland) eats fruits, then suddenly after having been eating meat all their life. Turn vegetarian and criticize everyone for eating meat, especially the gorilla that tries out a beef he just found.

LwowskaKrakow:

but given its History it is a new Revolution for Poland.

That just made me laugh LOL

LwowskaKrakow:

Freedom in sexual orientation(gay friendly) and transgender

Why so selective? What about necrophiliacs? pedophiles? Or even zoophiles?

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