Palikot wants to legalise pot in Poland?

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Oct 22, 11, 16:20 #1

Palikot politicians plan to submit a draft to depenalise marijuana use, TVN24 is reporting. “Plant, smoke, legalise – that slogan remains on our lips,” said RPP spox Andrzej Rozenek. “Our group’s goal is legalisation of smoking marijuana and the first step is to depenalise possession of amounts for one’s own use.” They argued that one million Poles smoke pot once a week, and it can be bought in any school during recess. It should therefore be legalized. Then not gangsters but the state will have revenues like from alcohol and tobacco. We will find progressive MPS in the SLD, PO and PSL who will back it. Only in PiS won’t there be any advocates. Wanda Nowicka said: “Marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes…”
Do you agree with this line of reasoning?

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Edited by: Seanus Oct 22, 11, 16:26 #2

One million Poles smoke pot once a week? 1/38th of the population?? I'd doubt that for starters. It's not the kind of thing you can statistically verify with any degree of accuracy.

It can be bought in any school during recess? That's funny, I thought it was illegal ;) Doesn't say much for the policing here.

They are wheeling out an age-old debate here. Nothing new. I wouldn't mind if pot was decriminalised here. Some Poles need to relax a bit more.

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Oct 22, 11, 17:05 #3

Polonius3:

Then not gangsters but the state will have revenues like from alcohol and tobacco.

Polonius3:

“Marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes…”

Polonius3:

Do you agree with this line of reasoning?

Yes.

In any case, who the hell are the state to tell people what they can or can't put in their bodies.

Seanus:

One million Poles smoke pot once a week? 1/38th of the population?? I'd doubt that for starters.

Same here.

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Oct 22, 11, 17:26 #4

Good points, Jon. I have certain stock phrases and one of them is 'we are born to experience'. That means taking drugs IMHO. Although I haven't done any drug beyond the legal ones for quite some time, it doesn't change the fact that I took sth from what I did before. I see the merit in them.

Make love, not war! Take drugs (soft ones), not lives ;)

I neither want to be overly prescriptive nor proscriptive (certainly not!). However, give people choices as education plies them with the tools needed to make an informed choice (or should at any rate). If I chose to seek out pot tonight, I'd know exactly what I'd be getting myself in for.

rybnikThreads: 29 Posts: 1,232 Joined: Jan 16, 11 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 17:54 #5
Pot is a lot safer, albeit not 100% free of adverse consequences, than tobacco for sure. It would be great if Poland adopted a posture similar to Holland's regarding marijuanna.

smurfThreads: 46 Posts: 660 Joined: Sep 8, 09 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 18:13 #6
That'd be great, I hope it's legalised and that it's sold in shops where instead of gettin what your dealer gives you you can have a pick of different strands of the 'erb.

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Edited by: WhyMedSchool Oct 22, 11, 18:24 #7

From a medical point of view there are mental health issues to be considered, but legalization would allow for better treatment and help. As far as consumption, eating or vaporizing marijuana is virtually free of any adverse health effects.

As far as mental health goes it's really a Chicken-and-the-Egg scenario about whether people who are crazy tend to abuse marijuana, or whether marijuana abuse causes mental health problems. A combination of genes and environment is probably the answer but obviously more research still needs to be done.

rybnikThreads: 29 Posts: 1,232 Joined: Jan 16, 11 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 18:33 #8
WhyMedSchool: As far as mental health goes it's really a Chicken-and-the-Egg scenario about whether people who are crazy tend to abuse marijuana, or whether marijuana abuse causes mental health problems No worse than ETOH.

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Oct 22, 11, 18:40 #9

A lot of these arguments have to do with the nanny state or non-nanny state. Should the state impose speed limits, traffic lights and non-parking zones and force people to use seat belts? Many Poles have a copycat mentality and say if there are no speed limtis on German Autobahns, then why.....?
Of course, arguments can be found for and against this and most every other issue.
But whenm all is said and done, only AMerica has true democracy. Citizens are able to decide whether to spend more or less on local schools (millage votes, as they're called), and there are dry towns (no alcohol available), because a majority support the dryness. Any souse who can't deal with that is free to move. And in what other country are judges, sheriffs and many other public officials popularly elected? Europe, hang your head in shame!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 18:53 #10
Pol3, you are not up to speed with changes in road regulations. Poles can drive faster now and that's exactly what the police want. More money for the govt through fines. Oh yes, the Patriot Act is the most democratic of statutes. Much more democratic than the Polish Constitution, LOL.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Oct 23, 11, 11:49 #11
America and the free world are at war with terrorism. Your beloved Churchill, who loudly lauded democracy, also favoured restricting civil liberties during times of war.

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Oct 23, 11, 12:03 #12

Polonius3:

Your beloved Churchill, who loudly lauded democracy

He wasn't beloved (he lost by a landslide in the '45 election) and he wasn't a great believer in democracy; he saw it as the best of a bad bunch of options.
He also said that America could always be relied on to do the right thing. After exhausting every other possibility.
Churchill was also an alcoholic and chronic cigar smoker.
Perhaps if powerful warriors chilled out with a spliff now and again, the world would be a calmer place.

rozumiemnicThreads: 4 Posts: 1,020 Joined: Nov 16, 09 ♀	Oct 23, 11, 12:13 #13
Polonius3: America and the free world are at war with terrorism do you really believe that horse@@@t?

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Oct 23, 11, 12:24 #14

Polonius3:

Wanda Nowicka said: “Marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes…”
Do you agree with this line of reasoning?

For me the only point of legalizing pot is to prevent or stop Drug Dealers. In the The Netherlands where pot is legal or in Switzerland Zurich there is less criminality liked to drug dealing than in the UK, US, France Germany etc

However what is scary now in the Euro zone is that because of the drop of the US dollar $ versus the € euro, some people are buying hard drugs like cocaine or heroin because the prices dropped.

In Poland i don't know what the situation is regarding to soft or hard drugs and where people buy them , all i can see are some drunkards everywhere on the streets day and night and without doubt alcool addiction is a real pest in Poland.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 23, 11, 12:27 #15
Pol3, I really think you suck up what FOX news tells you. Sean Hannity is evil. Palikot is merely branching out debates here in Poland. He is not brainwashing like FOX try to do.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Oct 23, 11, 12:31 #16
I hate Fox News. Too much celebrity slime!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 23, 11, 13:08 #17
Then why the FOX pet lines about the War on Terror? I'd much rather people smoke pot in the privacy of their own homes as consenting adults than have people killed, beheaded and mutilated to serve the agenda of greed.

antheadsThreads: 13 Posts: 306 Joined: Jan 21, 11 ♂	Oct 23, 11, 13:19 #18
excellent, will be an interesting sejm and parlament :)

rozumiemnicThreads: 4 Posts: 1,020 Joined: Nov 16, 09 ♀	Oct 23, 11, 14:15 #19
Seanus: I'd much rather people smoke pot in the privacy of their own homes as consenting adults than have people killed, beheaded and mutilated to serve the agenda of greed. 100 % spot on Sheep!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 23, 11, 14:22 #20
Pol3 just can't see it. The fact is that the Taliban had become awkward and were a convenient pretext. I'd love to see Pol3 tell Nick Berg that the war is a just one. Or that other prisoner whose name eludes me. Pol3, ever smoked pot?

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Oct 23, 11, 14:34 #21
teflcat: Churchill was also an alcoholic and chronic cigar smoker. And for just over half of his lifetime pot was perfectly legal in the UK.

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