Palikot's "Modern Poland" and the Tea Party

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Oct 18, 10, 00:52 #1
How would you compare Palikot's Modern Poland and the American upstart group Tea Party? Do they have a chance of winning wider public support enough to influence elections?

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Oct 18, 10, 01:13 #2

Polonius3:

How would you compare Palikot's Modern Poland and the American upstart group Tea Party? Do they have a chance of winning wider public support enough to influence elections?

The two couldn't be further apart ideologically.

Anyway, Palikot should do enough to enter the Sejm. As it stands, PO should take around 45% of the vote, the SLD and Palikot's movement should take around 5-6% each and PiS should take the remaining vote.

The Tea Party movement on the other hand is just a fad - the failure of many of their preferred candidates earlier this year tells you all you need to know about them. They're fundamentally Republicans, and they're unlikely to manage to organise outside of the Republican umbrella.

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Oct 18, 10, 02:39 #3

delphiandomine:

The Tea Party movement on the other hand is just a fad - the failure of many of their preferred candidates earlier this year tells you all you need to know about them.

You are wrong.

The desire to cut down on the national debt is not a fad, the opposition to the big bank bailouts is not a fad, opposition to Fannie and Freddie is not a fad, opposing ill-conceived medical care legislation is not a fad, opposition to government takeover of GM with the rule of law skirted by screwing the bondholders is not a fad and opposition to combating the largest levered debt crisis in history by issuing more debt is not a fad.

The Tea party may have a Republican component but it is the Independents that give the movement gravitas.

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The tea party started with the campaign for liberty and Ron Pauls money bombs. It was a grass roots Libertarian movement which has now been more or less been watered down to include quite a bit of the Republican platform.

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Oct 18, 10, 04:58 #5

Babinich:

The desire to cut down on the national debt is not a fad, the opposition to the big bank bailouts is not a fad, opposition to Fannie and Freddie is not a fad, opposing ill-conceived medical care legislation is not a fad, opposition to government takeover of GM with the rule of law skirted by screwing the bondholders is not a fad and opposition to combating the largest levered debt crisis in history by issuing more debt is not a fad.

yes, cut down the national debt by going after the middle class entitlements but ignore the costs of the two wars in afghan and iraq.

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Edited by: Babinich Oct 18, 10, 11:37 #6

No one is ignoring the two wars. Entitlements involve everyone not just the middle class. Ponzi schemes like Social Security have run their course. The money for SS is not there, and rates of return are imaginary.

http://brucekrasting.blogspot.com/2010/08/on-sstf-lets-go-back-to-1956 .html

Obamcare took hundreds of millions of dollars out of Medicare and, rather than using it to strengthen Medicare, plowed it into this new entitlement. The law’s authors also failed to produce a legitimate solution to the “doc fix” problem. The "doc fix" which was originally part of ObamaCare, was separated out to keep the overall cost of the bill down.

Because the the authors nabbed Medicare funding to pay for their new program, trimming that entitlement (Medicare is generally accepted as the single biggest long-term problem for the federal budget) probably won’t be part of the deficit-reduction package.

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Oct 18, 10, 11:38 #7

yes, cut down the national debt by going after the middle class entitlements but ignore the costs of the two wars in afghan and iraq.

Bravo, CP - why do the supporters of this movement rail against health care but say NOTHING about the cost of the current US wars? Also, it was recently reported that America spends 48% of the world's military costs when the country in second place (China) spends a mere 6%. Why do these "anti-deficit" zealots choose to ignore this gargantuan portion of US spending?

I personally try to ignore this joke of a "party" - they typically regurgitate the venom that is spewed on conservative radio and TV shows instead of thinking for themselves.

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Palikot's "Modern Poland" and the Tea Party - how do they compare?