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Edited by: Crow  Nov 6, 10, 12:38    #1
What is so nice about EU and can`t be done without EU?

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 Nov 6, 10, 12:42    #2
EU-funding of various projects!!! Visa and passport free travel!!! Growing feeling of affinity/common cause!!! Strengthening of democracy!!! Better checks and balances!!! :-)
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 Nov 6, 10, 12:51    #3
Zed:
Visa and passport free travel!!!

yes, let people travel

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 Nov 6, 10, 13:00    #4
Crow:
yes, let people travel

Which part of Europe is that gentleman from?

Anyway, Poles are happy to be in the EU (eurobaramoter). The EU has brought money in the form of grants and private investment. Farmers are being subsidized instead of closing up shop, and my favorite part, more Poles are intermarrying and having children with fellow proto-Slavs, the Germans, Anglo-Saxons, and Celts.
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Edited by: guesswho  Nov 6, 10, 13:54    #5
convex:
Anyway, Poles are happy to be in the EU (eurobaramoter).


That doesn't really surprise me but the Germans, according to this barometer, are also supposedly happy with the EU, that's very surprising. I didn't have the impression after talking to countless Germans while in Germany. Even now, anytime I talk to my friends or relatives in Germany, none of them is happy about the EU membership.
Like always, you can't trust the statistics.

convex:
Which part of Europe is that gentleman from?


looks like Serbia to me
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 Nov 6, 10, 14:10    #6
Crow:
yes, let people travel


If this gentleman (or any of the people in the background) come from the EU, I am a penguin (he looks very Arab to me, and the last time I checked none of the countries over there is part of the EU). Poland receives the most grants from the EU than any other country in the EU. Everywhere you go, you see signs "paid for by the EU", whether it'd be infrastructure, renovation or even school projects. Polish people can work abroad, we can work in Poland ... a win-win situation if you ask me.

Although, to be honest, I think enough is enough. The average Dutch person pays 2.500 euro per year in taxes to the EU. The NL are together with one or two other countries, the main contributors. I.e. their taxpayers are. I know it is a bit selfish, but I don't want any more countries to become part of the EU. Those who are candidate-members (and other people wish to see become part of the EU) are mostly countries that don't have a lot to contribute, only to hold up their hand. Which means that my taxes will only increase. Thanks, but no thanks.

Georgia, Ukraine, Turkey?! Jee, who's next?! Belarus, Armenia ... give me strength ... :-S
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 Nov 6, 10, 14:12    #7
We need Croatian beaches in EU! Let them in! :-)
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 Nov 6, 10, 14:15    #8
Yeah ... the beaches, but not the people. Sorry for that ... .
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Edited by: guesswho  Nov 6, 10, 15:08    #9
Stu:
The average Dutch person pays 2.500 euro per year in taxes to the EU.


yep, you guys can be seriously peed off about it (read EU budget)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_statistics
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 Nov 6, 10, 15:12    #10
Stu:
Although, to be honest, I think enough is enough. The average Dutch person pays 2.500 euro per year in taxes to the EU. The NL are together with one or two other countries, the main contributors. I.e. their taxpayers are. I know it is a bit selfish, but I don't want any more countries to become part of the EU. Those who are candidate-members (and other people wish to see become part of the EU) are mostly countries that don't have a lot to contribute, only to hold up their hand. Which means that my taxes will only increase. Thanks, but no thanks.


I don't even think that most of the EU-12 countries should have been allowed to join in the first place. Slovenia, yes - it's catching up rapidly. Estonia too. But the rest? No way.
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Edited by: Crow  Nov 6, 10, 15:15    #11
convex:
Which part of Europe is that gentleman from?

what does it matter. Today he may live in Egypt, Germany, Turkey or Poland or wherever. EU is one big happy family.

Zed:
We need Croatian beaches in EU!

Serbs won Adriatic see for Slavic world but, Slavic world isn`t popular idea. Anyway, today Adriatic belong to Croatia, tomorrow it may belong to Germany or EU,... the day after tomorrow... well, who knows
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Edited by: convex  Nov 6, 10, 15:57    #12
Stu:
Although, to be honest, I think enough is enough. The average Dutch person pays 2.500 euro per year in taxes to the EU. The NL are together with one or two other countries, the main contributors. I.e. their taxpayers are. I know it is a bit selfish, but I don't want any more countries to become part of the EU. Those who are candidate-members (and other people wish to see become part of the EU) are mostly countries that don't have a lot to contribute, only to hold up their hand. Which means that my taxes will only increase. Thanks, but no thanks.

On the other hand, There are quite a few more Dutch trucks rolling around now, and Dutch money is being invested heavily all around (with tidy profits).

The problem though, is a good one. Dutch taxpayers are paying for it. It should be coming out of corporate income taxes, as companies see the biggest benefit (which of course in the end is a benefit to the employee, but it's too indirect).

delphiandomine:
I don't even think that most of the EU-12 countries should have been allowed to join in the first place. Slovenia, yes - it's catching up rapidly. Estonia too. But the rest? No way.

The entire idea was equilibrium. Are the Dutch getting any poorer? Social welfare for the poorer countries, and corporate welfare for the richer countries.

Not enough power for the people who are paying for the experiment. There need to be way more referendums on issues. People are confused as to what MEPs and MPs are responsible for anymore, and they stopped caring. Huge blow to democracy.
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 Nov 6, 10, 16:16    #13
guesswho:
yep, you guys can be seriously peed off about it


Oh, believe me, I am.

convex:
The problem though, is a good one. Dutch taxpayers are paying for it. It should be coming out of corporate income taxes, as companies see the biggest benefit (which of course in the end is a benefit to the employee, but it's too indirect).


You mean it benefits the cheap labour migrants, because we're basically financing our own unemployment.
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 Nov 6, 10, 16:25    #14
guesswho:
yep, you guys can be seriously peed off about it (read EU budget)


lol look at Poland here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_statistics#Proportion_of_n on-EU_nationals
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 Nov 6, 10, 16:31    #15
George8600:
lol look at Poland here:


Have you seen the corruption list? Wow! I mean, I knew we were corrupt already, but I didn't know we were more corrupt than Poland? I'm afraid terminology like economic freedom doesn't mean much to the average citizen though, since it's a term used to describe the current climate of business.
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 Nov 6, 10, 16:45    #16
George8600:
lol look at Poland here:


yep, it shows that Poland is still "very" Polish :-)
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 Nov 6, 10, 16:54    #17
Crow:
What is so nice about EU and can`t be done without EU?


I guess some politicians think it's nice to get their countries indebted to the IMF, which will undoubtedly secure the power of the international corporates and banks, and the hold they will have over some countries. (If you can see where I'm going?)
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 Nov 6, 10, 16:59    #18
guesswho:
looks like Serbia to me


Indeed its probably Crows grandfather, what with the serbs DNA being 25% arab.
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 Nov 6, 10, 17:12    #19
peterweg:
serbs DNA being 25% arab.


I bet crow will love it, lol
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:07    #20
George8600:
lol look at Poland here:

Looks good.
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:13    #21
Bolle:
Looks good.

Fits the trend as well. Poland shares low numbers along with Romania and Bulgaria. Most migrants are economic migrants, so it makes sense for them to avoid the poorest countries in the EU.
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:15    #22
convex:
Most migrants are economic migrants, so it makes sense for them to avoid the poorest countries in the EU.


I think they're starting to discover that Poland is quite easy to obtain residency in, though.
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Edited by: Crow  Nov 6, 10, 18:16    #23
peterweg:
Indeed its probably Crows grandfather, what with the serbs DNA being 25% arab.

its very funny. But when you mentioned, that`s actually how i see your father. Old Peter is quite ugly creature, indeed. Send my regards to creep
guesswho:
looks like Serbia to me

guesswho:
I bet crow will love it, lol

sure. Just don`t spread your jokes among girls and they would take you little bit more serious
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:17    #24
Crow:
Just don`t spread your jokes among girls


You know I wouldn't do it. It would be an insult to talk about women around you.
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:18    #25
guesswho:
ouch, lol

No ouch, it's just a fact. It's growing a lot faster than Western economies, but the people are still among the lowest earning in the EU. Why go for that, when you could pluck the easy fruit?
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:19    #26
guesswho:
You know I wouldn't do it. It would be an insult to talk about women around you.

to tell you frankly, i don`t understand your sense of humor. Still, as long as you enjoy its glad to me if i may assist. So please, continue
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:21    #27
Crow:
to tell you frankly, i don`t understand your sense of humor


I'll be extremely unhappy if you did crow, I mean it.
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:29    #28
EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Poland: School Censorship Proposal Threatens Basic Rights
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/03/18/poland-school-censorship-proposa l-threatens-basic-rights
The spread of intolerance in Poland has become an international concern and a challenge to the EU’s basic values. Poland fought too long and hard for its democracy to let hate-filled officials roll back essential freedoms

guesswho:
I'll be extremely unhappy if you did crow, I mean it.

Thank you. i mean it
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:36    #29
Crow:
Thank you. i mean it


you're quite welcome crow ;-)
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 Nov 6, 10, 18:39    #30
EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Accession of Turkey to the European Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union
Future

The earliest date that Turkey could enter the EU is 2013, the date when the next financial perspectives (the EU's six year budgetary perspectives) will come into force. Ankara is currently aiming to comply with EU law by this date, but Brussels has refused to back 2013 as a deadline. In 2006 European Commission President José Manuel Barroso said that the accession process will take at least until 2021.




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