PIS desintegrating

It looks as if PIS has started a civil war within their own ranks.

Whether one supported PiS or not, nearly everyone agreed Kaczynski was a good strategist. The death of his twin appears to have caused something to snap. Sacking 2 of his stars weeks ahead of an election (a strategist wiould have delayed the decison if he regarded it as inevitable) seems suicidal. Jarosław seems to have handed the victory to PO in the forthcoming local polls and next year's general election. Anyone know what to make of it?

If PiS ceases being a politically viable opposition party, then a vacuum will emerge and there will be no alternative to the gang of crooks, conmen and shysters knowen as PO and the ex-commies.

They're certainly not going to win any elections by sacking all the moderates, but the core vote that hates gays, capitalism, etc will always give them a decent percentage.

I think they're going down the drain from the sounds of it. (Where they belong.)

If so, then the sly and craft Adam Michnik should be ousted for coming from a family of traitors: father, mother and brother all conscious stalinist collaborators.

To be fair, their core message (gays bad, welfare good) is always going to appeal to about 20-25% of the Polish population.

but the problem is that the SLD and PO will always do much better.

If it really takes such a small amount of creativity to gain approval of the citizenry to run a whole country like Poland, then maybe I should become a Polish citizen myself and get into politics before I'm old and grey! I don't know, but it seems to be a lucrative business lately.

Kaczynski - none.

PO fools made almost 300 billion of debt within 3 years.

If it really takes such a small amount of creativity to gain approval of the citizenry to run a whole country like Poland, then maybe I should become a Polish citizen myself and get into politics before I'm old and grey! I don't know, but it seems to be a lucrative business lately.

And why would that be a problem?

We are a few steps from Greece. PO fools made almost 300 billion of debt within 3 years. In 2-3 years It will all start falling down, Tusk and that moustached village idiot will have to escape from the country anyway. Let them win the next elections, then they won't be able to escape from the responsibility for the mess they created.

Jaro didn't, Lech did, so your hatful insinuations go where they belong - down the toilet.

It's all about demographics. If PiS can't attract younger voters, the party will fail through attrition.

Ah, I meant the problem for them.

Well, something just tells me they will attract less and less young voters in the future, simply because the youth usually tends to rebel against tradition.

The problem is that they do a very good job of attracting young, stupid people - those who want a welfare, safety net.

Then you get all the young people who have parents that are rabidly anti-communist

Don't make the mistake of assuming that PiS is solely an old person's party - it would be more accurate to say that it's the party of the badly educated.

it would be more accurate to say that it's the party of the badly educated.

Nobody in Poland A cares one little bit about this.

How'd they do that?

PiS wanted to spend their way out of the crisis, PO didn't.

Anyway, the cuts will come, and they'll affect many of the PiS supporters. No bad thing.

Who said anything about Lech?

we had growth as the only country in EU

Borrow money and spend It on higher wages for teachers, hire more people in administration etc.

I know that Poland has purchased about $50b in US debt over the last

Really stupid if you ask me.Poland should be borrowing USD from US.

That was through massive devaluation of the Zloty, or?

I know that Poland has purchased about $50b in US debt over the last couple of years, they've also purchased German and UK debt.

nearly €2k per year per capita from the EU...

So almost €80 billion a year from EU ? Holy sh*t ! Soon I will hear that without EU we wouldn't have air to breath.

You say Jaro wasn't arrested because of the father's protection... so why didn't he protect Lech too ? I think even majority of these "intelectually superior" PO voters would notice a lack of logic (to put it mildly) in this reasoning.

Lech was involved, but Jarek almost certainly wasn't. He's already been told that he wasn't there, and he seems hell bent on trying to convince people that he was.

I don't actually think daddy protected him, because there was nothing for him to protect - Jarek was a coward that only entered politics after the Russians had gone.

go where they belong - down the toilet

A fair assessment. Those brothers will be remembered not for any opposition to the PRL, but for saying "teraz kurwa my" (now it's our f**king turn) in relation to corruption, the "spieprzaj dziadu" (f*ck off, you old codger) incident, and forming a coalition government with an openly racist far-right party whose youth wing have flags and uniforms. The hypocrisy of the publicly homophobic Jaroslaw K's personal life (as outed on TV by Lech Walesa) is a scandal yet to come.

If teachers got the highest ever rises of wages during the crisis then It will be extremely difficult to cut them after the crisis is over.