Poland back to reality after Sunday ?

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Apr 16, 10, 22:12 #1

I think that after Sunday - if Iceland will not be the big spoiler -, the country will wake up from this mass psychosis.
- Yes L.K. was as a person a very decent human being. Not tainted by corruption. Not tainted by anti-Semitism. An honest guy.
And his wife even more so. I think the best compliment for her was when that rat Rydzyk compared her to a cesspit. May he burn in hell forever.
But at the same time he was a very bad president. Not the president of all Poles but only a support of the evil genius JK.
- The country will soon realize when the current paranoia has ceded - LK will not be declared a saint - that PIS will use Smoleńsk as a weapon forever
- It has been an overexposure the last week and I think it has to stop slowly. Of course PIS exploits this to a maximum degree, they had never any shame. But how long a national mourning can go on? Face the facts.

Life goes on.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Apr 16, 10, 22:26 #2
sobieski: Not the president of all Poles Yes, he was. Spammer.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Apr 16, 10, 23:13 #3
Poland back to reality after Sunday ? what is realty idea of EU and NATO? NO! idea of Sarmatian Confederation? YES!

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Apr 16, 10, 23:20 #4
sobieski: Poland back to reality after Sunday ? probably not.

LenkaThreads: - Posts: 241 Joined: Nov 17, 09 ♀	Apr 16, 10, 23:24 #5
I just hope that Polish ppl won't vote for PiS candidate just because Lech died in this crash.

OlgaThreads: 2 Posts: 380 Joined: Apr 12, 10 ♀	Apr 17, 10, 03:40 #6
Crow: what is realty idea of EU and NATO? NO! idea of Sarmatian Confederation? YES! With ruling overlord ;)

czarThreads: 4 Posts: 248 Joined: Mar 3, 10 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 04:50 #7
how come john paul II is not a saint yet? the current nazi pope is under heavy fire it could be his lasting legacy. crow will this sarmatian confederacy overthrough russia? just dont vote Tusk or anyone he backs

OlgaThreads: 2 Posts: 380 Joined: Apr 12, 10 ♀	Apr 17, 10, 04:58 #8
Most Poles I've spoken with wouldn't smell a dead rat if it was hanging from their nose. Investigators are in over their head, and everyone else has their head stuck in the sand. Slavish Putler lovers, who prefer to distract themselves with such petty matters as where Kaczynski will be laid to rest. Ahhhh, ignorance is bliss!

czarThreads: 4 Posts: 248 Joined: Mar 3, 10 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 05:02 #9
i agree with you there

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Apr 17, 10, 05:54 #10

His death educated people around the globe about Katyn and maybe just for this alone, he deserves Wawel. If anything, this is his greatest accomplishment, unfortunately in death.
The claim that he kept Poland divided..well...no president in ANY country satisfies everybody. Quite normal. He was the best he could be, nobody can say that he was corrupted and ready to kiss a** of anybody who decided to throw a bone his way.

Will there be a fight for power after people wipe dry their eyes and noses after the funeral? You betcha!

OlgaThreads: 2 Posts: 380 Joined: Apr 12, 10 ♀	Apr 17, 10, 07:00 #11
Eurola: Will there be a fight for power after people wipe dry their eyes and noses after the funeral? You betcha! You will see Tusk clawing his way to the presidency. President has more power than prime minister, since clearly Tusk was getting nowhere while Kaczynski was alive.

BevKThreads: 18 Posts: 281 Joined: Mar 20, 09 ♀	Apr 17, 10, 07:01 #12
He should be buried in Warsaw, and his lasting legacy be that he made Katyn known worldwide. His life was here, not in Krakow. Heroes? Regardless of the cause of the crash, it was a plane crash. I'll be glad when we're allowed some more colour in the media, to be honest, I personally feel that the constant repetition just desensitises people.

OlgaThreads: 2 Posts: 380 Joined: Apr 12, 10 ♀	Apr 17, 10, 07:08 #13
BevK: I'll be glad when we're allowed some more colour in the media Maybe like less bewailing and more investigation updates. That would be a good start. Here's an interesting link relating to that, I wonder if it's on the news in Poland: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-04-13-fog-plane-crash-pola nd_N.htm?POE=TRVISVA

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Apr 17, 10, 08:29 #14

BevK:

his lasting legacy be that he made Katyn known worldwide.

Eurola:

His death educated people around the globe about Katyn

you know, i don't see that to tell you the truth.. the 70th anniversary of katyn killings was barely mentioned in the print or news.. most people on the internet discussed the plain crash but katyn didn't really surface as a topic.. in a way, the crash overshadowed the remembrance which really sucks, imho.

PolishNutjobThreads: 1 Posts: 101 Joined: Mar 9, 08 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 08:38 #15
czar: how come john paul II is not a saint yet? That's easy ... http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/p ope_burning_in_hell.htm

OlgaThreads: 2 Posts: 380 Joined: Apr 12, 10 ♀	Apr 17, 10, 08:47 #16
plk123: the 70th anniversary of katyn killings was barely mentioned in the print or news That's odd; we've had a lot of print coverage on it here, not so much televised though. I guess it depends on where you are.

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 15:48 #17
Bzibzioh: Bzibzioh GOLD MEMBER Yesterday, 22:26 #2 sobieski: Not the president of all Poles Yes, he was. Spammer. No he was not and he is not. He was elected by a small majority. Without the Smoleńsk tragedy he would have been soundly defeated in the elections.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 15:54 #18
Crow: sobieski: Not the president of all Poles Yes, he was. sobieski: No he was not and he is not. He was elected by a small majority. So who was the president of the large minority? Putin? Obama?

nogardthegreatThreads: 1 Posts: 25 Joined: Dec 23, 07 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 17:25 #19
czar: how come john paul II is not a saint yet? I don't know which anti-Catholic satanic sect you belong to, but it takes time to become a saint, due to needing miracles and proof. BTW, he is The Venerable John Paul the Great. Get it right, demon.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 17:31 #20
nogardthegreat: BTW, he is The Venerable John Paul the Great Not yet.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 17:31 #21
czar: how come john paul II is not a saint yet? Maybe because he is not? There are many groups worldwide who wouldn't call JP2 exactly great or holy. But besides that, it indeed takes some time to be declared holy. >^..^< M-G (tiens)

nogardthegreatThreads: 1 Posts: 25 Joined: Dec 23, 07 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 17:34 #22
jonni: Not yet. As of last December. John Paul II declared Venerable, moves one step closer to sainthood

czarThreads: 4 Posts: 248 Joined: Mar 3, 10 ♂	Apr 18, 10, 09:42 #23
nogardthegreat: I don't know which anti-Catholic satanic sect you belong to, but it takes time to become a saint, due to needing miracles and proof. this really shows your holier than though moral standards, i was simply asking and my questioning was insinuating that he should be by now, ok thanks getting used to that here onPF.

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Apr 18, 10, 18:21 #24
Went today for a walk in Warsaw Old Town. Cobalt-blue sky...sunshine... People enjoying the first real warm spring weekend... strolling... Life is returning to the country. Enough of this artificially-prolonged time of national mourning. I see this also between colleagues and friends. They get weary of yet another day of organised mourning. Of yet another day of soulless TV transmission.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 18, 10, 18:32 #25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZhHXaLnB0, LK's pro-EU speech. Crow, this is the man you liked. Shall I translate what he said?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 18, 10, 18:35 #26
Seanus: Shall I translate what he said? Yes please!

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Apr 18, 10, 18:38 #27

sobieski:

Went today for a walk in Warsaw Old Town. Cobalt-blue sky...sunshine... People enjoying the first real warm spring weekend... strolling...
Life is returning to the country. Enough of this artificially-prolonged time of national mourning.
I see this also between colleagues and friends. They get weary of yet another day of organised mourning. Of yet another day of soulless TV transmission.

I actually watched it, mostly, cos this is history in the making. However, the lovely sunshine has been very welcome as I did a load of work at home, and people walking past seemed much more relaxed even as the air raid sirens were blaring again.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Apr 18, 10, 18:42 #28
sobieski: a small majority. Barman, another wodka for our expert wannabe! sobieski: Enough of this artificially-prolonged time of national mourning. Little wonder you don't understand so much...

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Edited by: Pibwl Apr 18, 10, 18:57 #29

Olga:

Ahhhh, ignorance is bliss!

I prefer it to living in paranoia :-)

Olga:

You will see Tusk clawing his way to the presidency. President has more power than prime minister, since clearly Tusk was getting nowhere while Kaczynski was alive.

You will see he won't. It is a prime minister, who rules the country (backed by parliamentary majority of course), while a president may only obstruct things, having no real power.

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Apr 18, 10, 19:44 #30

I feel very sorry for Marta Kaczyńska. And even more so for her daughter. She lost her parents in such a dreadful accident. In no time her evil uncle JK will also use her in the coming elections.
By the way - as I remember - she got divorced from a quintessential PIS guy (deftly silenced by all Polish media - even the normal ones) and got married again to a left-wing guy?
Actually SLD I think... ?

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