In Poland, a 'breakthrough' on Holocaust compensation

In Poland, a 'breakthrough' on Holocaust compensation

Warsaw, for first time, said willing to seriously discuss restitution

An official Israeli delegation to Poland believes it achieved a "breakthrough" in talks with Warsaw about possible compensation for private assets that belonged to Jews before the Holocaust, The Times of Israel has learned.

The five-member delegation, which included a former Israeli minister and was accompanied by a senior Israeli diplomat stationed in Warsaw, failed to reach an agreement with the Polish government. However, the Israelis said the Poles for the first time signaled readiness to engage seriously in a discussion about compensation and agreed on the need for further bilateral consultations.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/breakthrough-in-talks-with-poland-on -holocaust-compensation/

IMO, Jews were up to 50% of most major cities and owned huge amounts of land/businesses. I'm not sure the Polish government should have to pay though.

man, this things can only happen in Poland

any opinions?

Personally, I think that it is quite funny?
Why is Israel still seeking "compoensations" ???
What have Poland ever done to Jews?
Our great Kings allowed them to live in peace, but here we are, they repay us with hatred :(
On the same line of thinkking, the Polish state should seeek compensation from the RF, Germany for War loses, and England and France war betraying us in the War...

One other agenda that jews want to carry out iss to bring back the 3 million jews that used to live in Poland before the 1939...
My opinion, is that they should shut up, and stop wanting stuff from Poland.

Every individual Jew having legal claim to any real estate can claim his rights in Polish court. This is happening for a long time, they got back many of it and i'm ok with that.

But compensations? Seriously? Payed to whom? Some tricky organisations looking for free money? Don't make me laugh. This is pure thievery and should not be tolerated.

One of many similar reasons why Tusk will be kept here for a long time, so much for "democracy".

^Because Polish government was also nazi and anti-semite.

BS, envyme.
Polish governement was never a nazi governement... but thats okay, knowing the educational British standards you probably also believe that Earyh is flat, and Britain is still " an Empire" :)

However, your history is quite funny, remember tose:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/03/armenia-genocide-deni al-britain

http://www.opendemocracy.net/martin-shaw/britain-and-genocide

Talking about the Nazi's and Genocides ;)
You should first look at your own "Empire" and then try to judge, and police and lecture the whole world...

Mostly speechless...

Poland as a sovereign nation was a Nazi Govt? Because Nazi's overran them? Or is this Obama history now the NEW history?
But you know what... as many PF guys say to us americans unhappy with current President. ~YOUR MAJORITY voted for those bozos~
=so it must be what Poland wants.

And now that it has been opened..no putting that cat back in the bag... any sign of compensation just bought Poland a lifetime of national guilt and admittance to it.
There are many words I would use...breakthrough is not one of them. Welcome to the world of entitlements, Poland...you are truly part of the liberal half of the west now. congrats



edit: had stepped away for tea.. but it sure didnt seem like sarcasm since you put the subject as "breakthrough"

A couple years ago Shimon Perez said we (I wonder who) "will buy Hungary, Romania, and Poland".

Do you really think that if anyone says "Poland is nazi" they're being serious? >.>....

Why do we even talk with Israel about it? Paraguay has more right to compensation because it at least existed during WW2. Why should we give more attention to Israel than Laos?

God forbid that the Jewish organizations which solely exist from compensations run out of compensations. However as they are/were Polish citizens they have a right to get it just like anyone else. I don't think it will be 60 billion dollars like I've heard before, Poland can't afford that, so how much can they receive?

Everybody is getting all excited about nothing. As far as I can see, it's not Israel the country that's asking for anything here; it's an organization that helps survivors or their heirs get back what was taken from them, just like any Polish citizen can do. The reason it's done through an organization is that most of these people are old and neither they or their heirs have any idea how to go about claiming their property. So there are organizations (with government backing) that help them do it. Instead of every old survivor getting on a plane and running around Poland looking for a lawyer, they concentrate a lot of claims and have professionals handle it. Nothing wrong with that. No one says that Poland, the country, owes anything to Israel, the country. But it's normal for governments and organizations to deal with each other on their level instead of individuals getting lost in bureaucracy.

No, its not normal. If this "organisations" wants to help them they can represent them before the court by hiring lawyers. Thats the only way you do such thing in a state where the rule of law apply. As far as i know this "organisations" are not even official representation of former property owners.
Besides most of former owners of real estates in Poland are dead. Usually childrens and grandsons of this people are taking actions to get property of their families.

Seriously, give me ONE reason why Poland should give anything to this "organisation". Just one.

I remember very old interview with Polish Jew living in Israel warning Polish govermant about such "organisations" trying to blackmail Poland in order to get some money to which they have absolutely no title. I'll try to find it.

Didn't the concentration camp and forced labor survivors only get a small fraction out of the tens of billions that Germany paid off?? Corruption seams to be everywhere in these organizations.

Good news! This will surely bring this government down. Taxpayers, steadily sliding into poverty, will be happy to pay some Fourth Generation Holocaust Survivors in United States. I wonder if Tusk came up with this all by himself?

Read the comments after the OP's article. Worth reading.

The problem is that you can't find this info in mainstream media in Poland (mind I didn't say Polish media) but you are right it will be the end of the regime.

How come only jews can get lost property back? What about non-jews who also had property stolen from them by the commies?

This simply ridiculous.

It depends on the legal basis under which the property was taken.

All Polish citizens and their heir can try to get property back through the courts. I got part of my family's property back and it took 6 years. Jews can get in line with the rest. 75% of claims are not by Jews.

Talk about being iconoclastic. Poles own nothing to Jews.

First of all, the Nazis took the country. It was reduced to ruble.

Then, the Soviets occupied the state. They stayed for decades.

Moreover, Poland is a poor country. It can't afford giving funds to outsiders, who don't even reside there as citizens.

Any talk about private organizations dealing with the Warsavian government is more than dubious. If this topic was taken to the Central European public there can be little doubt that the views would oscillate something like 95% in favor of that state rejecting zionistic fleecing.

No wonder neocon souls are disliked around Mother Earth's communities. Kinda reminds one of a brutal bully taking dollars from a defenseless female on her front lawn and then a sophisticated shyster going after the poor owner within the home. One could narrate on this all day.

What kind of a shyster would do this? It would be like going into a neighborhood and taking the homes of the indigenous population and then claiming victimhood. All your neighbors would hate you (regardless of any riches, political influence and/or media ownership...).

Poles own nothing to Jews. Jews, on the other hand, owe everything to Poles. After being thrown out of just about every country the Poles protected them... unlike the Persians, Egyptians, etc., etc.

It's time to stop pilfering the poor and think of peace and brotherhood.

^ Some very good points. Though I would dispute the whole "kicked out of every country" bit. Some of them might have been but definitely not all of them. Because there were still so many throughout all of Europe.

Anyway, I do not live in Poland nor am I from there. Have Polish background. But I really feel sorry for Poland.

Nevermind the fact that Poland was controlled by Communists who were almost all, shall we say, members of a certain tribe. And it wasn't just Poland they dominated.

I can provide a list of many of the members, but it would be very long for this thread.

Believe me any Pole with knowledge knows what you are talking about.

Maybe many , but not all, eg Stalin or Lenin.. And how come the archetyp of capitalists (Rothschild) are also Jewish? And how come there is much larger proportion of Nobel Prizes with a Jewish origin than what the sheer size of the community would warrant? That's down to one simple fact, or rather name: Darwin. Having been chased all around the world, the Jews had to adapt to those difficult circumstances (survival of the fittest). That's why you will find an overrepresentation of Jews among successful people in many walks of life..

Pure racist Zionist claptrap.

Some very sensible points.

These points may appear to be "sensible" to the ignorant. Neither bullfrog nor jon357 understand Darwin's theory of natural selection. Agriculture eliminated the "survival of the fittest" for the vast majority of humanity thousands of years ago. There was at least one society that had a tradition induced form of survival of the fittest until relatively recent times but it wasn't a part of world Jewry. The Samoan custom of brutal sharktooth studded club mortal combat, between adolescent males, did actually take prevent the "weaker" or less "fit" Samoan males from reproducing by taking them out of the gene pool before they'd become sexually active. For the rest of humanity, without such brutal customs, survival of the fittest is misapplied when speaking of them. Misapplying Darwinian theory to the analysis of human societies, as was done by the likes of Herbert Spencer has, for a long time now, been considered a racist charade.

I am not sure belief in Jewish "fitness" is necessarily Zionist, but believing Jews are superior to other people because they are "fitter" is indeed racist claptrap and it is sad to see the racists upon this forum purveying this nonsense.

Could you perhaps be so kind as to be polite enough to not insult posters here. Many thanks.


Could you perhaps share with us your thoughts as to why there is much larger proportion of Nobel Prizes with a Jewish origin than what the sheer size of the community would warrant? Again, many thanks.

^Nepotism.

Also, it's amazing how people forget that Hitler killed 40 million people, 34 million who were Christian. I am not Christian, I just know this.

3+ million Polish Catholics, 7 million Ukrainian Orthodox, 9 million Russians and Belorusians. Not to mention Gypsies, Homosexuals, Greeks...
But hey, if a group can monopolize mainstream historical discourse and focus all the attention only upon themselves, then everyone else will forget.

That's how narcissism works: A lack of empathy for others, combined with an insatiable need to remain in the spotlight.