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Edited by: David_18  Feb 24, 11, 13:52    #1
Following a rocket attack fired into Israel from Gaza, Prime Minister Donald Tusk, currently on a two-day visit to Jerusalem, said that "Poland is not prepared to allow anyone to deny the existence of Israel. Poland will not let these things happen."

The rocket, the first to be fired into Israel from Gaza since 2009, hit a house in Beersheba in the Nagev desert on Wednesday.

The missile attack came hours after an Israeli tank fired into Gaza, killing one person.
http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul150022_poland-defends-israe ls-right-to-exist.html


Ok here is the deal. Im not against jews in any way. But how can Israel be so cruel to the palestinians and steal their lands and put them in ghettos. Haven't the jews went trough alot of pain? havent they learned how it feels to be discriminated and put into ghettos? Why are Israel doing the same things to the Palestinians like the Germans did to them in the ww2?

Once again im not against Jews, i truly love jewish history especially the 1000 year old polish-jewish history.

And why dosen't Tusk just say like it is? Nobody likes what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, we should condemn sucha things as what is happening in Palestinia.


Ps.
I know that the Palestinians are denying the jews right to exist, but maybe this happend for a reason? like the jews stealing their land that they lived for the past 2000 years?

And once again im NOT an anti-semite, im just stating my opinion on what is going on in this area and that i think its not a moral thing to do for the polish Prime Minister to walk hand in hand with Israel and ignoring what they are doing to the palestinians.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 24, 11, 13:55    #2
Oh boy...when the Jews did to the Palis as the Germans did to them there wouldn't be any Palis today anymore.

The Palis are screwed...they are governed by a party which has put the annihilation of Israel on top of it's party program.
As long as that doesn't change they won't get anything...
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 Feb 24, 11, 14:02    #3
Bratwurst Boy:
Oh boy...when the Jews did to the Palis as the Germans did to them there wouldn't be any Palis today anymore.

Im not talking about extermination. Im talking about how the Palistinians are discriminated.

Bratwurst Boy:

The Palis are screwed...they are governed by a party which has put the annihilation of Israel on top of it's party program.

The Palistinians got plenty of hate in them since israel been fu**ing them up the past 50 years or so.

Bratwurst Boy:
As long as that doesn't change they won't get anything...

Israel got the upper hand, there is no reason for them to kick someone who is already lying on the floor.
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 Feb 24, 11, 14:21    #4
David_18:
I know that the Palestinians are denying the jews right to exist, but maybe this happend for a reason? like the jews stealing their land that they lived for the past 2000 years?

Israel took the territory as a result of a war, the same way that the borders of just about every modern state were made. The only difference is that they didn't forcibly remove the people that were shooting at them (and they were shooting at...). Calling it an occupied territory is as silly as calling Silesia an occupied territory. Time to put the hammer down though, either expel them to live like dogs in other Arab countries (who won't provide passports or working papers, even after multiple generations of them living in the countries), or grant them statehood and treat any transgressions exactly as they would if attacked by any other sovereign state. Israeli internal affairs aren't any of Poland's business. Best to let them deal with it.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 24, 11, 14:24    #5
David_18:
Im not talking about extermination. Im talking about how the Palistinians are discriminated.


And even then it's not comparable...

David_18:
The Palistinians got plenty of hate in them since israel been fu**ing them up the past 50 years or so.


Well...it could be long over by now.
Accept the two state rule and the borders of 1967, stop demanding the annihilation of Israel and to drive the Jews into the sea and nobody needs to suffer anymore.

David_18:
Israel got the upper hand, there is no reason for them to kick someone who is already lying on the floor.


Well they are still kicking!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110223/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestini ans

Imagine your own town being shelled, would just take it up the arse and say thank you?

I was a critic of Israel for a long time too...but you need only to put yourself into their boots for awhile.
I belief Germany wouldn't suffer palis follies for as long as the Jews did.
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 Feb 24, 11, 14:25    #6
Bratwurst Boy:
The Palis are screwed...they are governed by a party which has put the annihilation of Israel on top of it's party program.
As long as that doesn't change they won't get anything...


Bullshit.

They don't have any such 'Party Program'.

The Palestinian Authority offered Israel *everything* it was asking for and the Israeli's still rejected a peace agreement.

Israel doesn't want peace, which is why they haven't signed up for it in 20 years of desperate peace efforts by the Palestinians. Thats going to come back and haunt them, especially now all the Israeli-America client states have had revolutions and will switch over to the pro-Iran camp.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 24, 11, 14:28    #7
peterweg:

They don't have any such 'Party Program'.


peterweg:
Bullshit.


You are just another dumb as sh'it useful idiot!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Charter

." The charter states "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[31] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[68][69]

Nice, friendly guys these are!

Goals

Hamas's 1988 charter calls for the replacement of Israel and the Palestinian Territories with an Islamic Palestinian state.

You are all so blinded by your leftie hate...these guys are our own enemies too! They are die hard islamist who hate everything west.

You sound alot like those guy who supported the Stalinists back in the day just because you think you have a common enemy!

Hamas is an acronym of the Arabic phrase حركة المقاومة الاسلامية, or Harakat al-Muqāwama al-Islāmiyya or "Islamic Resistance Movement". The Arabic word Hamas also means devotion and zeal in the path of Allah.[41]

These are the Taliban of the ME, bombers and terrorists...

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Israel has rejected some truce offers by Hamas because it contends the group uses them to prepare for more fighting rather than peace.[62]

The Atlantic magazine columnist Jeffrey Goldberg, along with other analysts, believes Hamas may be incapable of permanent reconciliation with Israel.[63][64]
Mkhaimer Abusada, a political scientist at Al Azhar University writes that Hamas talks "of hudna [temporary ceasefire], not of peace or reconciliation with Israel.
They believe over time they will be strong enough to liberate all historic Palestine.”[65]



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 Feb 24, 11, 14:31    #8
Shame on Donald Tusk for his obvious hypocrisy. People under military occupation have the right to resist. Just as the Poles never gave up when they were partitioned and occupied so too the Palestinians will never give up.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 24, 11, 14:34    #9
Des Essientes:
Just as the Poles never gave up when they were partitioned and occupied so too the Palestinians will never give up.


Cool...

And once they have "won" where to should they expell the Jews then? To make their Palestine nicely "judenrein"?

They can have their Palestine anytime they want...but as long they prefer Israel they better get used to get kicked their **** out of them!

These islamist sympathisants are reallly the crooks of our time...
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 Feb 24, 11, 14:43    #10
Bratwurst Boy:
They can have their Palestine anytime they want...but as long they prefer Israel they better get used to get kicked their **** out of them!

75% of Gazans are refugees from Israel. They cannot return to their homes because they are not Jewish, and that is blatant racism. Refugees have every right to prefer to return to where they are from, as long as the Zionists deny them this right then they should expect resistance.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 24, 11, 14:49    #11
Des Essientes:
75% of Gazans are refugees from Israel. They cannot return to their homes because they are not Jewish, and that is blatant racism.


The Poles had been much much worse to the Germans so stop that bullshit.

Israel needs to stay a predominantly jewish state to be a safe haven for them. Letting all these arabs in would change the demographics and make the Jews again to a minority in their own country. Now put a Hamas kind of guy on top and the future for the Jews looks very bleak.

The Jews would be stupid to allow such a self-destruction.

The Palis will get their own country once they get a sensible government and both countries will exist side by side...
Who knows, in another generation or two they will even have cordial relationships with each other.

Des Essientes:
Refugees have every right to prefer to return to where they are from,


Really!

Did you know that Poland prohibited Germans from buying larger chunks of land and property for the last 20 years?
Poland for sure won't have all the german expellees and their descendants back in Silesia!

Why have all countries on this Earth an accepted right for self-defence but Israel?
Why are all countries on this Earth allowed to hunt and kill their enemies but Israel which is expected to cuddle their enemies and is forbidden to bend one hair on them? Always under the watchful eye of the world public???

Why has an islamist terrorist organizations so much sympathy from people which would be between the first to be shot once these islamists would gain the upper hand?

That is what the Jews are up against:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

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The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!”[4]

The document also quotes Islamic religious texts to provide justification for fighting against and killing the Jews of Israel.[5] presenting the Arab-Israeli conflict as an inherently irreconcilable struggle between Jews and Muslims, and Judaism and Islam,[4] adding that the only way to engage in this struggle between "truth and falsehood" is through Islam and by means of jihad, until victory or martyrdom.[4]

I don't blame the Israelis for keeping their weapons sharp, not in the slightest!
As long as Hamas rules in Paliland there won't be any peace, these fanatics will make sure of that...
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 Feb 24, 11, 15:22    #12
David_18:
The missile attack came hours after an Israeli tank fired into Gaza, killing one person.

What do you say to that then BB? Gaza,technicaly autonomous is fired upon by another states tanks,they fire back,is that not also a right to self defence that you will vehmently uphold?
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Edited by: Moderator  Feb 24, 11, 15:30    #13
Des Essientes "You really are... "


Truth hurts, doesn't it!

You are a sympathisant and supporter of everything anti-democratic, anti-West.
You wouldn't survive a week under their rule or if then cowed and converted only. You would have no rights at all. But that's exactly the life you want for them.

It's these islamist guys who hold the Palestinians hostage for their cause...the nice cut bait for braindead idiots to be gulped down, hook line and sinker!

Nobody sane would openly support the stoning, middle age Taliban, who cut girls noses or burn them alive.
I have news for you, Hamas is exactly from the same cloth, with the same goals but still they know there are lots of western useful idiots around.

These fanatics have NOT the liberation, freedom and peace for this poor folks down there at their hearts.
They give a **** about them! They are only interested in martyrdom for their Allah.

Without them there would be peace already, but when would any kind of fanatics ever want peace and understanding!

PS: Maybe you should read more about how Hamas "governs" the Palis. Not one bit different to Egypt or Libya...any opposition has to fear for their lives!


isthatu2:
What do you say to that then BB? Gaza,technicaly autonomous is fired upon by another states tanks,they fire back,is that not also a right to self defence that you will vehmently uphold?


Erm...maybe you missed the part as Gaza fired at Israel first?

How would GB react if continously shelled by...let's say...IRA terrorists...or Argentinians over there in the Falklands...hmmm...
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 Feb 24, 11, 15:45    #14
David_18:
The Palistinians got plenty of hate in them since israel been fu**ing them up the past 50 years or so.

It's because tiny Israel several times took the might of the surrounding Arab states and smiled. They can't process that they keep on beating them. I understand both sides but technically that is the Jews land that's where they originate from. Besides is it really that much?????





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 Feb 24, 11, 15:56    #15
David_18:
The rocket, the first to be fired into Israel from Gaza since 2009, hit a house in Beersheba in the Nagev desert on Wednesday.

Don't tell me all this crap is starting again! And please, don't tell me, our politicians are going to get us into wars with all these Arabs.
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 Feb 24, 11, 15:58    #16
Bratwurst Boy you are a hysterical reactionary islamophobic apologist for the racist Zionist entity in Palestine. I am for democracy in Palestine. One man one vote regardless of religion.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 24, 11, 15:59    #17
Des Essientes:
I am for democracy in Palestine.


Well, so am I...so are the Israelis! A democratic Palestine alongside a democratic Israel would mean peace in the ME.

But Hamas won't sit with that...but still you keep supporting them, my how clever of you!
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 Feb 24, 11, 16:03    #18
PlasticPole:
Don't tell me all this crap is starting again! And please, don't tell me, our politicians are going to get us into wars with all these Arabs.

Of course not that's why CIA started this whole Arab revolution for, so the numerous young population of these countries will be pro west.
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 Feb 24, 11, 16:04    #19
Bratwurst Boy:
A democratic Palestine alongside a democratic Israel would mean peace in the ME.

Don't count on it. The Arabs are disgruntled and unhappy at the moment. I predict war will break out at any time. The Arabs don't care about Israel and consider it an intrusion into Islamic holy land and will hate it with or without Gaza being an Independent state.
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 Feb 24, 11, 16:12    #20
PlasticPole:
The Arabs are disgruntled and unhappy at the moment.


When are they not disgruntled and unhappy?

Thinking killing Jews and the annihilation of Israel will make them a satisfied, peacy bunch will be proven wrong I fear....
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 Feb 24, 11, 16:13    #21
Bratwurst Boy:
And even then it's not comparable...

Ow really?

Warsaw ghetto

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Palestinia
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 24, 11, 16:16    #22
Well...Adolf can't have been so bad then...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza
Gaza (Arabic: غزة‎ Ġazzah, Arabic pronunciation: [ˈɣazːa], Hebrew: עזה‎ Azza Hebrew pronunciation: [ˈ(ʕ)aza]), also referred to as Gaza City, is a Palestinian city in the Gaza Strip, with a population of about 450,000, making it the second largest city in the Occupied Palestinian territories after Jerusalem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto
At this time, the population in the Ghetto was estimated to be 400,000 people, about 30%[1] of the population of Warsaw; however, the size of the Ghetto was about 2.4%[2] of the size of Warsaw.
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Over 100,000 of the Ghetto's residents died due to rampant disease or starvation, as well as random killings, even before the Nazis began massive deportations of the inhabitants from the Ghetto's Umschlagplatz to the Treblinka extermination camp during the Grossaktion Warschau, part of the countrywide Operation Reinhard.

Between Tisha B'Av (July 23) and Yom Kippur (September 21) of 1942, about 254,000 Ghetto residents (or at least 300,000 by different accounts)[7] were sent to Treblinka and murdered there.[8]

Yeah...absolutely identical!
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 Feb 24, 11, 16:17    #23
Bratwurst Boy:
Well, so am I...so are the Israelis!

But Hamas won't sit with that...but still you keep supporting them, may how clever of you!

No the Israelis do not support democracy. They have ruled Gaza and the West Bank for over 43 years and they have given the people there no political rights whatsoever. I support Palestinian resistance to this situation.
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 Feb 24, 11, 16:25    #24
Bratwurst Boy:
When are they not disgruntled and unhappy?

Thinking killing Jews and the annihilation of Israel will make them a satisfied, peacy bunch will be proven wrong I fear....

If all the Jews moved from Israel to other places, abandoning it, what would the Arabs complain about? What if the west just left them alone like they want. Would they still be angry?
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 24, 11, 16:25    #25
Des Essientes:
No the Israelis do not support democracy.


Des Essientes:
They have ruled Gaza and the West Bank for over 43 years and they have given the people there no political rights whatsoever.


Erm...you don't know your stuff very well, don't you...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza

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Since the Palestinian organization Hamas won a surprise victory in the Palestinian elections of 2006, it has been engaged in a violent power struggle with its rival Palestinian organization Fatah.

In 2007, Hamas overthrew Fatah forces in the Gaza Strip and Hamas members were dismissed from the PNA government in the West Bank in response. Currently, Hamas has de facto control of the city and Strip.[47]

If the Israeli forces take over and rule the Palis it's wrong because they are seen as occupying opressors and when they let the Gazans do what they want it's also not right in that they don't "give them any rights"..

Oh wonder

PlasticPole:
If all the Jews moved from Israel to other places, abandoning it, what would the Arabs complain about? What if the west just left them alone like they want. Would they still be angry?


Since Hamas etc have the fight against all things not-islam written on their flags I gather they will follow the Jews, killing them, wherever they flee to.
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 Feb 24, 11, 16:29    #26
David_18:
But how can Israel be so cruel to the palestinians and steal their lands and put them in ghettos


Simple.

Jews have tremendous influence in the politics of western countries therefore they can do almost anything they want to the palestinians without anyone stopping them.
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 Feb 24, 11, 16:30    #27
Bratwurst Boy:
Since Hamas etc have the fight against all things not-islam written on their flags I gather they will follow the Jews, killing them, wherever they flee to.

They won't bother the Jews once they leave Israel. The problem is, Islamist radicals do not see the Jews as Jews. They see them as westerners. Europeans. Russians. Americans. That is the fundamental problem. The Arabs, also, do not want to see America so tight with Saudi Arabia, either.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 24, 11, 16:37    #28
PlasticPole:
They see them as westerners. Europeans. Russians. Americans. That is the fundamental problem.


Exactly!

That's why those "useful idiots" are so irking. They are played by our enemies like a fiddle without thinking! I bet the Hamas is laughing with glee whenever they see written such gems....

BBman:
Jews have tremendous influence in the politics of western countries...


Yeah...another such idiotic bubble repeated without using a braincell.

If the Jews were really so "tremendously influential" one has to wonder why they still have to fight for their lifes.

If the Jews would act only a tiny bit like Germans or other Europeans against their enemies in our past, there wouldn't be a Pali-problem for them anymore today!
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 Feb 24, 11, 16:40    #29
BBman:
Jews have tremendous influence in the politics of western countries therefore they can do almost anything they want to the palestinians without anyone stopping them.

How are we supposed to stop them?
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Edited by: PennBoy  Feb 24, 11, 16:42    #30
Bratwurst Boy:
Yeah...absolutely identical!

Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza: Disturbing Parallels


Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza: Disturbing Parallels
Steve Hutcheson, Arab News

The Warsaw Ghetto during the Jewish Holocaust holds special significance to the European Jews. It was a place of oppression and the pathway to the ultimate death of thousands of their population that has become symbolic with their struggle for recognition. Yet what they are failing to acknowledge as their descendants press forward with their own brand of Jewish and Zionist idealism is the parallel set of conditions that they are now imposing on the Arab people of Palestine.

The Nazis rounded up the Jews of Poland and quartered them in a small area of Warsaw, building a barricade around the perimeter to prevent them leaving. So too have the Israelis through conflict and force pushed many of the Arab inhabitants out of Israel into an enclave that now has a population density of 4,200 people per sq. km which is 14 times that of the surrounding area of Israel which has 360 people per sq. km.

The Nazis deprived the ghetto inhabitants of food and essential supplies. So too has the Israeli government stopped the flow of goods to the 1.4 million inhabitants of Gaza by limiting the convoys of supplies to a mere trickle.

The Nazis reduced the average calorie intake of the Jewish inhabitants of the ghetto to 241 calories per day. So too have the Israelis reduced the calorie intake of the Palestinians in Gaza. According to a UN report, it is presently at 61 percent of the average daily requirements." http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=107394&d=2&m=3&y =2008


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