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Why is Poland developing so slowly or in the wrong direction? Who is responsible ?


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IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: Moderator  Oct 17, 10, 00:07    #1
Maybe Poland is changing but not growing - Poland before WWII looks better in comparison!

I would like to know what the others think about it!
Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 17, 10, 00:12    #2
"Poland before WWII" had WWII coming...ask again which Poland looks better!
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Bratwurst Boy:
ask again which Poland looks better!

well, I don't know !:?(
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Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Oct 17, 10, 00:44    #4
I would say regardless how well off Poland is today (or not) it is definitely better off than before WWII (Germany too and the whole of Europe by the way)
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Bratwurst Boy:
definitely better off than before WWII

Well, WWII wasn't the only path for humanity....
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Bratwurst Boy:
I would say regardless how well off Poland is today (or not) it is definitely better off than before WWII

Surely you josh, how German of you. No doubt in my mind Poland faired much, much better before WWII, no if or but about it. Back then we just managed to regain our independence our destiny was a blank canvas for us to toy with, unlike the Poland of today where the geopolitics dictates the terms. Free of the today’s restriction we achieved far much more in the short 20 years back then than we did now after 89, even though we had to fight reds for our very existence in the meantime. Perhaps you care to share whatever it is that you smoke maybe then I’ll see the reality as rosy as you do or just be too stoned to really care.
convexThreads: 46
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Regardless, you can't deny that Poland is better off now than before 10 years....
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Comparison is Poland before WWII and now not what Poland was 10 years ago.
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ShortHairThug:
Perhaps you care to share whatever it is that you smoke maybe then I’ll see the reality as rosy as you do or just be too stoned to really care.


Ummm...I wouldn't want to live in Poland in the twenties...but Poland today seems nice.
Maybe I'm just an optimist? heh:)
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Joined: May 1, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 17, 10, 01:28    #10
Back in the Twenties Poland was much more exiting then it is today; it had everything going for it except the location and the envious neighbors. It’s just too bad time was so short; we could have achieve so much more.
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ShortHairThug:
we could have achieve so much more.


What is stopping you now?
ShortHairThugThreads: -
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You know the answer to that one. Too much to list.
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ShortHairThug:
You know the answer to that one.


Seemingly not...
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Bratwurst Boy:
Germany too


It depends how you put it.
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LOL, now and before WW2? wow, what a senseless comparison. Glad to be in Poland, here and NOW!!!
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Zed:
LOL,

lol
Zed:
Glad to be in Poland

I'm glad for you .....
Zed:
here and NOW!!!

where and when ?
What about the thread topic ? an opinion , wisecrack ? anything ?
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Ironside:
Why Poland is developing so slow


Very good question Ironside (I mean it).
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guesswho:
Very good question Ironside (I mean it)


Yeah, good question but no discussion. Not yet anyhow. Like for instance, why is Poland getting worse? Explain.
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Chicago Pollock:
Like for instance, why is Poland getting worse? Explain


I wouldn't necessarily say it's getting worse but somehow it's not getting really much better either. I'm a little amazed because a country with so many intelligent people, should be actually progressing much faster. In this case I share ironside's opinion and also wonder what's really going wrong there.
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guesswho:

I wouldn't necessarily say it's getting worse but somehow it's not getting really much better either. I'm a little amazed because a country with so many intelligent people, should be actually progressing much faster. In this case I share ironside's opinion and also wonder what's really going wrong there.


May be the case for all of Eastern Europe. No? Maybe an inability to govern themselves? I mean Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, et al aren't doing any better.
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Chicago Pollock:
May be the case for all of Eastern Europe. No? Maybe an inability to govern themselves? I mean Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, et al aren't doing any better.


Yep, it almost looks like it. I personally believe that it all starts with the difference in education systems. In Poland for example, people learn much more about History and Geography but don't concentrate enough on economy, politics etc. It makes them obviously sound better educated but when it comes to making their country internationally more successful, something is simply missing. I absolutely don't mean to insult anyone of you but your success as a country unfortunitely doesn't depend much on your knowledge of the above mentioned topics.
Of course it's great to know it but most likely it's not helping you much to progress as a economical power.
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Ironside:
Poland before WWII looks better in comparison!

Wow!

You probably never spoke with anybody who remembered pre-WWII Poland or even never red anything reliable about it...

Lukasz
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Bratwurst Boy:
I would say regardless how well off Poland is today (or not) it is definitely better off than before WWII (Germany too and the whole of Europe by the way)


I think you may be right. I am not sure by what standards other Poles are using to judge how Poland is "better off" or "not better off" today relative to pre WWII and WWII years.

In my opinion, the fact that Poland and its neighbors like Germany are getting along relatively well in comparison to the 1920's, 30's and 40's I don't think should be taken for granted.

If people are looking for a perfect world, Poland nor any other central/eastern European country today may look so good.

Poland was the only country in recent years that more or less resisted a world wide recession and the population of Poland today is much bigger then in the 20's. So I don't know, in my book that may be a good thing.

In my opinion today, Poland along with most of its European neighbors have decent relations RELATIVE to 80 years ago. If central/Eastern Europe is relatively stable like it is today, I think Poles and non-Poles should not take that for granted. Pulling that kind of thing off in Central/Eastern Europe is not that easy of a thing to do, historically speaking LOL
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Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Oct 17, 10, 10:53    #24
You must be on drugs, or really really ignorant. anybody who thinks that Poland was somehow more prosperous before the war must be living in a fools paradise! And in terms of not developing fast enough they have one of the fastest growing GDP in Europe!

You can always improve, but that is just too much!
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Joined: Aug 30, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 17, 10, 11:01    #25
hague1cmaeron:
You must be on drugs, or really really ignorant.


What do you mean?

How so?

So you think pre-WWII hyper multi-cultural Poland with about 24 million ethnic Poles and 8 million non-Poles who were mostly a fifth column undermining Poland, with two much larger neighboring nations ready to invade and destroy Poland put Poland in a better position then Poland today with about 39 million Poles, few non-Poles and virtually no nations today willing or able to destroy Poland? I don't get that.

Is Poland in great shape today? Absolutely not. But we don't live in a perfect world. Poland's population today is much bigger and homogeneous relative to it neighbors which I think should count for something.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 17, 10, 11:04    #26
Poland had a fruitful spell in terms of GDP around 3 years ago. A lot of inward investment really aided the country and that development has been continued if we are to look at and contrast Poland with other world economies that struggled.

The biggest test will be for Poles themselves. Will they be able to hack it here and accept that success in business takes time? Many that come back from the UK want to set themselves up but I wonder if the 'quick buck' mentality will have changed them. Simply put, people have to accept less money here and get on with it. Surely living a more Polish life takes precedence over a lot of cash anyway.
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hague1cmaeron:
You must be on drugs, or really really ignorant. anybody who thinks that Poland was somehow more prosperous before the war must be living in a fools paradise! And in terms of not developing fast enough they have one of the fastest growing GDP in Europe!

You can always improve, but that is just too much!



oooooppppssss!

Sorry hague1cmaeron for my previous post #25 to you. My mistake. For some reason only part of your post showed up and I reacted to it. Now I see your whole post.

I see the whole context of your post now and I basically agree with you.
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| dont think Poland is developing slowly to me I have seen poland change over the last ten years(just look at the new cars on the road) but it strikes me something (or maybe its an inborn trait)seems to stop some people moving forward(difficult to put the right words)maybe I could use the example of Pan and Pani.Oh and by the way I love Poland.
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convex:
Regardless, you can't deny that Poland is better off now than before 10 years....

Not according to population.
MediaWatch:
In my opinion, the fact that Poland and its neighbors like Germany are getting along relatively well in comparison to the 1920's, 30's and 40's I don't think should be taken for granted.

This is a different era,invasion is now far more subtle. The tanks and missiles have been replaced by IMF loans and privatisation.
hague1cmaeron:
And in terms of not developing fast enough they have one of the fastest growing GDP in Europe!

sure dosen't Donald want to follow the path of Celtic Tiger Ireland. up up up up up up ooooops bang.
Seanus:
ill they be able to hack it here and accept that success in business takes time? Many that come back from the UK want to set themselves up but I wonder if the 'quick buck' mentality will have changed them. Simply put, people have to accept less money here and get on with it. Surely living a more Polish life takes precedence over a lot of cash anyway.

Poland is a huge country, maybe it will develop in parts closer to the west etc.There are small towns all over the east of the country that i can never see progressing.
Maybe Polish people will accept less money as the wages in the west decrease or taxes increase. I think Poland like everywhere at the moment is at a cross roads.
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Why Poland is developing so slow or in a wrong direction? Who is responsible ?

Turn your question to the ones who are running the 'show'. EU and US&A.

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