Poland Elections oct 2011/your feed back about RP Janusz Palikot? Poland is changing!

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Oct 10, 11, 11:42 #1
Hi all, I have the feeling that after the re election of Dnoland tusk (PO) and with the arrival of the RP party Janusz Palikot denouncing the church "mafia" and defending the rights about sexual and ethnic minority groups, Poland is politically changing fast. I am personnaly happy about this change although i do not vote in Poland, what's your feed back about the PR?

MyMomThreads: 9 Posts: 185 Joined: Aug 13, 11 ♂	Edited by: MyMom Oct 10, 11, 11:47 #2
Well, I just hope this guy gets a seat: http://vimeo.com/29734186 RPP is the new Samoobrona. They are clowns and were voted for by teenagers.

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Oct 10, 11, 11:48 #3

He is a populist who represents the face of a change that he'd like to see, not one that is actually happening to any significant extent. The idiocy of saying that Poland is changing because 'one man and his dildo' champions certain causes is staggering. Without his wealth, he'd be an absolute nobody. Opinions are like arses in that everyone has one. His view is no better or worse than the average Pole's.

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Oct 10, 11, 11:54 #4

He is a populist who represents the face of a change that he'd like to see, not one that is actually happening to any significant extent. The idiocy of saying that Poland is changing because 'one man and his dildo' champions certain causes is staggering. Without his wealth, he'd be an absolute nobody. Opinions are like arses in that everyone has one. His view is no better or worse than the average Pole's.

What's worse is that the people he will bring with him into parlament are unknown random opportunists. Do they even have an opinion on anything else than church and gay rights? Again, Samoobrona is back.

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Oct 10, 11, 12:01 #5

I think you are right, My Mom. Besides, politicians should only serve as a minor watchdog on the church. They should ensure that the law is upheld but not much beyond that. Gay rights are dealt with by EU Law which automatically supercedes Polish domestic law, see Costa VS ENEL 1964. It's not even strictly Palikot's job to ensure their observance, the police should be doing that. He's an idiot seeking out a role which he'll probably never have. PO are in power and that's the end of story for now.

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Oct 10, 11, 12:13 #6

I think you are right, My Mom. Besides, politicians should only serve as a minor watchdog on the church. They should ensure that the law is upheld but not much beyond that. Gay rights are dealt with by EU Law which automatically supercedes Polish domestic law, see Costa VS ENEL 1964. It's not even strictly Palikot's job to ensure their observance, the police should be doing that. He's an idiot seeking out a role which he'll probably never have. PO are in power and that's the end of story for now.

the major thing is Polish state is really paying into the RCC (and to a lesser extent other churches) - I don't think Jarosław Kaczyński and most PiS politicians really think it is the way it should be so - but they will defend it not to alienate a big part of their electorate - PO will not target this church funding in the coming time untill the next elections - they will most probably have to raise taxes - create the tax on real estate based on its market value (podatek katastralny) but they won't target the money paid to the RCC (mainly in the form of financing religion classes in schools)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 12:18 #7
Gumishu, what is really needed in religion beyond belief and a place of worship?

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Edited by: gumishu Oct 10, 11, 12:22 #8

Gumishu, what is really needed in religion beyond belief and a place of worship?

religion should not be banned from public discourse - the state should just not finance it - pretty simple i guess

actually what RCC does not realise probably is that religion classes in school DO backfire on them - and well - do I really mind - RCC is a perversion of the Christ teaching anyway

anyway - no religion in schools, no state funding of clergy retirees, investigation into the 'return of church property' and there is actually no room for Palikot anymore

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 12:25 #9
With all due respect, that didn't answer my question

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 12:28 #10
Gumishu, what is really needed in religion beyond belief and a place of worship? then I don't know what you meant - elaborate a bit

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Oct 10, 11, 12:32 #11
. His view is no better or worse than the average Pole's. But he did get 10% votes. I for one do not think that he is a clown - he is more of a jester.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 12:32 #12
what's your feed back about the PR Narco-perverto-criminals set up by people, who are behind Tusk. I am personnaly happy about this change You are a great example showing that "democracy" in current form is a great tool for various crime groups.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Oct 10, 11, 12:34 #13
It's a straight question, gumi. I can't make it simpler. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYMCW10a2ws, interesting

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Oct 10, 11, 12:35 #14
The idiocy of saying that Poland is changing because 'one man and his dildo' champions certain causes is staggering. Well Seanus I may be an idiot but if the existence itself of a party such as the RCC( i am not saying those people would have any chance to rule the country of course but as a counter power ,it is not bad) is not a change for Poland what is it then?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 12:39 #15
Change comes from the people. Palikot only got 10% of the vote, largely young folk. Demographically, Poland has many many old people so how representative is this man in all honesty? He comes across a bit better in the interview above, mind you.

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Oct 10, 11, 12:44 #16
Change comes from the people. Palikot only got 10% of the vote, largely young folk I agree 100 %. Change comes from the people and from a country's youth.

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Oct 10, 11, 12:50 #17
Palikot only got 10% of the vote, largely young folk. Check out the graphs. People from all walks of life and of all ages voted for Palikot: http://wybory.onet.pl/parlamentarne-2011/sondaze-i-wyniki/kim-sa-wybor cy-janusza-palikota,1,4875788,aktualnosc.html

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 13:01 #18
Check out the graphs. People from all walks of life and of all ages voted for Palikot: Magdalena OK, I personally know one person who voted for Palikot - and well - she has no clue about politics - just swallowed what the TV served her

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Oct 10, 11, 13:11 #19
I personally know one person who voted for Palikot Anecdotal evidence, anyone? I know at least two people who are well versed in politics and they are pro-Palikot. What now?

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 13:12 #20
Transsexual poised for seat in Poland's new parliament . And this happened in the ultra-traditional and Catholic Krakow! Strange.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 13:15 #21
Anecdotal evidence, anyone? I know at least two people who are well versed in politics and they are pro-Palikot. What now? have you fallen for Palikot Magda? and well what do you mean by well versed in politics? that they can read a newspaper? I know plenty of people who cannot actually and they are hmm sort of educated people

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 13:16 #22
Well, I just hope this guy gets a seat: http://vimeo.com/29734186 RPP is the new Samoobrona. They are clowns and were voted for by teenagers. This guy is mentally-challenged. Or with "learning difficulties" (in the official UK language). Retarded - to say it in the old-fashioned way. Making fun of him is wrong on many levels.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 13:18 #23
Transsexual poised for seat in Poland's new parliament . And this happened in the ultra-traditional and Catholic Krakow! Strange. it's gonna be fun ;) heh I will love to hear the guy/girl speaking in the parliament? oh my - many people hoped the guy/girl gets a seat

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Oct 10, 11, 13:19 #24
have you fallen for Palikot Magda? No - I just think he's interesting. And I am quite happy for him to have the 10% vote. I do hope he manages to stir things up a tad. well what do you mean by well versed in politics? Someone who reads more than one newspaper published in more than one country and is able to think for themselves into the bargain?

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Edited by: MyMom Oct 10, 11, 13:19 #25

Anecdotal evidence, anyone? I know at least two people who are well versed in politics and they are pro-Palikot. What now?

I know 8 people for whom the one and only problem of Poland is the church (Catholic church because the other religions are cool, of course) - basically they have no opinion on anything else. They all voted for Palikot. Great, we wil have 40 MP's keeping an eye on the church, day and night

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Oct 10, 11, 13:21 #26
Great, we wil have 40 MP's keeping an eye on the church, day and night So all your friends made it into the Sejm then? Congrats!

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Oct 10, 11, 13:26 #27

Great, we wil have 40 MP's keeping an eye on the church, day and night

So all your friends made it into the Sejm then? Congrats!

Magda - living abroad for so long has blunted your sense of sarcasm :)

Someone who reads more than one newspaper published in more than one country and is able to think for themselves into the bargain?

I haven't met too many Polish people like that Magda - maybe you simply have much more luck

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Oct 10, 11, 13:27 #28
Great, we wil have 40 MP's keeping an eye on the church Did tranny make it ?? I need to know...

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Oct 10, 11, 13:30 #29
has blunted your sense of sarcasm :) Actually - it was me being sarcastic, thanks for asking ;-p I haven't met too many Polish people like that Magda Maybe you need to broaden your circle of friends then...

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Edited by: gumishu Oct 10, 11, 13:31 #30
Great, we wil have 40 MP's keeping an eye on the church Did tranny make it ?? I need to know... we, don't know it yet - s/he was not the number one on the list so I actually doubt s/he is gonna make it through btw I wonder how many of the people who voted for Anna Grodzka actually knew who they are voting for

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