Poland goes nuclear.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Feb 15, 09, 12:13 #1
The Polish Prime Minister, Donald Tusk, announced on 13 January 2009 that Poland had “adopted a Resolution on nuclear energy…and that by 2020 electricity will be generated by one or two nuclear power plants.” Currently, over 90% of Poland’s electricity comes from coal and 40% of the gas it consumes is imported from Russia Is this a good decision for Poland ? Nuclear

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07 ♂	Feb 15, 09, 12:25 #2
Please name one government which would not make such declaration. Year of 2020 is way beyond cadence of this parliament. Democratic politicians are unable to think about future, all they are interested are benefits of re-election.

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Feb 15, 09, 12:46 #3
szkotja2007: The Polish Prime Minister, Donald Tusk, announced on 13 January 2009 that Poland had “adopted a Resolution on nuclear energy…and that by 2020 electricity will be generated by one or two nuclear power plants.” Is this a good decision for Poland ? Yes

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 15, 09, 13:10 #4
lesser: Please name one government which would not make such declaration. Year of 2020 is way beyond cadence of this parliament. Democratic politicians are unable to think about future, all they are interested are benefits of re-election. Doesnt matter, virtually all major parties left and right are pro-nuke.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Feb 15, 09, 13:28 #5
I ( personally) am against any sort of nuclear development, however, I can't see how Poland wouldn't go nuclear given that every winter Gazprom always make threatening gestures. The benefits to the Polish economy could be amazing - just as long as nothing goes wrong !

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Feb 15, 09, 13:35 #6

Prince:

It is good that you are not Polish dictator ... dumb ass :)

Which part of my statement is false? Don't hesitate to answer...

Sokrates:

Doesnt matter, virtually all major parties left and right are pro-nuke.

They claim so. So what?

szkotja2007:

I can't see how Poland wouldn't go nuclear given that every winter Gazprom always make threatening gestures.

Poland's heating is based on coal and there is no reason to change anything.

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Feb 16, 09, 01:41 #7

szkotja2007:

Is this a good decision for Poland ?

Yes. This is good foresight. Everyone at some point must start to wean themselves from reliance on fossil fuels and the control of sometimes unfriendly fuel suppliers. Russia cutting off gas supply last year should have been a wakeup call to everyone who relies on energy sources from others. Energy has become a national security issue like never before. Same goes for the U.S. We need to break our addiction to unfriendly Middle Eastern oil.

Shawn_H

Feb 16, 09, 02:08 #8

If one were a believer in Peak Oil, it may make sense to build nuclear plants to fuel electric cars in the future as an alternative to Gasoline and other fossil fuels.

Future Kyoto type agreements in order to reduce / eliminate CO2 emissions from coal may induce more governments to rely heavily on nuclear energy.

Randal:

our addiction to unfriendly Middle Eastern oil.

Yes, please become addicted to the environmentally unfriendly Canadian Oilsands brand of oil! Support the Petro-Loonie!

PrinceThreads: 26 Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 4, 08 ♂	Edited by: Prince Feb 16, 09, 02:54 #9
Poland should go nuclear and should be prepared for problems with natural resources supplies. Times are changing and without technological breakthrough political price for oil or gas will be higher and higher.

RandalThreads: 1 Posts: 758 Joined: Feb 14, 09 ♂	Feb 16, 09, 03:32 #10
Shawn_H: Yes, please become addicted to the environmentally unfriendly Canadian Oilsands brand of oil! Nuclear power plants are about 1 million times safer and predictable than is Iran.

RandalThreads: 1 Posts: 758 Joined: Feb 14, 09 ♂	Edited by: Randal Feb 16, 09, 05:10 #11
The U.S. has 100 nuke plants generating 100 million kilowatts of power and we’ve only ever had one minor incident in thirty years.

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07 ♂	Feb 16, 09, 21:33 #12
Nuclear is the way to go. Just beef up the security at these sites so that those idiots in the middle east don't get any ideas and let the juice flow!

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Feb 16, 09, 23:40 #13
szkotja2007: Is this a good decision for Poland ? Good decision, but the date should be pushed up...Poland should have a 'nuclear capacity' for various reasons...The technology used should be top-notch, same with the scientists and technicians...Maintenance should also be top notch, and in Polish hands.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 16, 09, 23:42 #14
I agree, what a bargaining chip it would be. France is a nuclear power but who talks of firing on them? Poland would be safe enough and would bring more to the negotiating table with this capability. Let's face it, who will really use nukes in the near future? They are just leverage.

RandalThreads: 1 Posts: 758 Joined: Feb 14, 09 ♂	Feb 17, 09, 07:29 #15
joepilsudski: Poland should have a 'nuclear capacity' for various reasons... I was going to broach this too but I thought it may be a topic for its own thread.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Edited by: szkotja2007 Feb 19, 09, 21:07 #16
Gazprom continue to supply Poland with only 75% of agreed supply. Same old Same old

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Feb 19, 09, 23:25 #17

While I think nuclear weapons are a topic for their own thread, why shouldn't Poland (or any other country for that matter) pursue self sufficiency, especially when sometimes-hot, sometimes-cold nations currently are to be relied on for such things. I would be all for it. Honestly I wish the US had more nuclear power also, possibly follow the French pattern. Unfortunately in US more is controlled by media hype than reality, so not much is likely to happen anytime soon. People will scream for some other magic as-yet-undeveloped technology to rely on, scream foul that huge amounts of money was not spent on said un-invented power source, then quietly complain that the government never does anything to help them. But hey, they kept the power plant out of THEIR back yard....

Sorry for the ramble, but I'm sure such could also happen there. There is far too much misinformation on nuclear power going around, I think.

John P.

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Mar 9, 09, 17:06 #18

szkotja2007:

just as long as nothing goes wrong

As anyone with a memory knows it can.

And before people sugest that it can't happen again. It almost did

The incident at Sweden's Forsmark plant underscores the vulnerability inherent in the process of producing nuclear energy. Experts say the accident won't be the last of its kind.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,430458,00.html

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Mar 17, 09, 22:43 #19
More problems with future hydrocarbon supply - Norway option OSLO, March 17 (Reuters) - Norway's plans to build a gas pipeline to bring North Sea gas to Scandinavian industrial sites and possibly on to Poland took another hit on Tuesday when a key client said it was about to pull out of the project.

krakowiakThreads: 4 Posts: 131 Joined: Jul 30, 08 ♂	Apr 13, 09, 07:53 #20
I am strongly against nuclear power, unless it is necessary for a country to gain fission-material for bombs (for selfdefence). So yeah, nukes might be a good idea for Poland.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Apr 13, 09, 16:50 #21
When I was a kid in primary school in 1970's (yes, I'm that old) they told us oil will be exhausted in about 50 years. 30 to 40 years later I heard we will run out of oil in 60 years. If the trend continues, in 60 years we will be facing running out of oil in about 200 years. So, paradoxically, the more oil we use the longer it will take to use it all up. I wish money worked like that too :)

IgnacThreads: 1 Posts: 43 Joined: Dec 13, 08 ♂	Apr 13, 09, 17:28 #22
If and when Poland goes nuclear. I just wish that they put better engineers in control than the one that built the train tunnel too narrow for the train to travel.

PolishCowboyThreads: 1 Posts: 64 Joined: Jan 30, 09 ♂	Apr 14, 09, 04:00 #23
Provided that they build a plant based on American designs with a total contamination chamber and tomb. We don't want another Chernobyl. Plus they can refine the uranium into weapons grade and build nukes to point at Russia and Germany, hahaha.

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Apr 14, 09, 04:15 #24

Ignac:

If and when Poland goes nuclear. I just wish that they put better engineers in control than the one that built the train tunnel too narrow for the train to travel.

lol they will have engineers from the US (or canada or whatever country's design they choose) help build the plant. They did the same in romania.

PolishCowboy:

We don't want another Chernobyl..

A 'chernobyl' can happen anywhere. All it takes is some fools to run a dangerous test in an attempt to impress their government.

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Edited by: Salomon Nov 5, 09, 17:27 #25

Tusk, Sarkozy declare French-Polish unity
http://www.thenews.pl/international/?id=119412

"“The plan is to have a nuclear energy plant by about 2020. In terms of a second nuclear energy plant, we are shooting for twenty years. That means we need to cooperate to make these projects a priority, not only for Poland but also for out potential partner,” stated Tusk, adding that France and Poland will continue discussions on the issue."

What is more :

“We have a common point of view – the Poles and the French speak with one voice: the Common Agricultural Policy is a priority for Europe. We do not want a stalemate, but we are defending food security and an independent food policy for Europeans,” stated French President Sarkozy.

Polish PM Tusk stated that the Common Agricultural Policy is emotional and controversial throughout the EU and “is the basis for a Polish-French agreement that is extremely promising.”

Sarkozy added that France has pledged to aid Poland in becoming more engaged in Europe’s defense strategy, a process that will require a revision of NATO’s strategy.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Nov 5, 09, 17:42 #26
Salomon: Tusk, Sarkozy declare French-Polish unity Sure... :) You know what Sarkozy really wanted? Poland's votes in Brussels to push his own agenda through, and securing business for the French nuclear industry. Sarkozy is using Poland, IMHO.

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Edited by: Salomon Nov 5, 09, 17:43 #27

TheOther:

You know what Sarkozy really wanted? Poland's votes in Brussels to push his own agenda through, and securing business for the French nuclear industry. Sarkozy is using Poland, IMHO.

Poland doesn't have nuclear plants technology ... and needs to buy it somewhere ... maybe it will be France ...

As to agriculture ... France and Poland have the same point of view which is in common european business...

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Edited by: TheOther Nov 5, 09, 17:47 #28

Salomon:

France and Poland have the same business which is common european business

You know what the Common Agricultural Policy was all about originally ?

"The CAP is often explained as the result of a political compromise between France and Germany: German industry would have access to the French market; in exchange, Germany would help pay for France's farmers."

Sarkazoy wants to make sure that it stays this way, and he seems to need the Polish votes for that.

As for the nuclear technology: I don't know if it is very clever to build those power plants in Poland. You will end up with the massive problems of waste management, and there are better alternatives available in my opinion.

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09 ♂	Nov 5, 09, 17:49 #29
I don't know what about it was originaly ... but I know that Common Agricultural Policy it is good for europe

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Nov 5, 09, 17:52 #30
Salomon Well, I wish Poland good luck. Thus far the country hasn't learned how Europe really ticks...

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