Poland grants asylum to 16 Christian refugees

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Jun 17, 11, 23:48 #1

Poland’s foreign minister returned from a trip to Tunisia on Friday with 16 Christian refugees who had found their lives upturned by turmoil in North Africa.

Poland described the move as a gesture of symbolic support for Christians in Africa and as an act of solidarity with Tunisia, which has been overwhelmed by refugees fleeing the violence in neighboring Libya.

“Poland looks after the rights of Christians in the world. This is our gesture of solidarity with persecuted Christians,” Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski told the refugees as they prepared to board the plane to Poland a day earlier.

Poland is a deeply Roman Catholic nation, and Polish leaders have expressed concern in recent months about violence targeting Christians in Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

One of the men given asylum said that he knew one thing about Poland — that it was the homeland of the late Pope John Paul II.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/poland-grants-asylum-to-16- christian-refugees-who-accompany-foreign-minister-back-from-tunisia/20 11/06/17/AGjmlYYH_story.html

It's a nice gesture i guess but why Christians and not Muslims?

Ain't Poland sending the wrong signals by stating that they got "solidarity with persecuted Christians", but what about all the presecuted Muslims?

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 00:15 #2
David_18: It's a nice gesture i guess but why Christians and not Muslims? I didn't know Poland was a Muslim country.

BBmanThreads: - Posts: 459 Joined: Jan 4, 11 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 01:43 #3
"christians" sure sure. I bet they just said that to get out of Tunisia, just like thousands of people claimed Jewish heritage to get out of eastern Europe/ussr in the 90s.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 02:02 #4
The oldest christian communities are in Africa and the middle east........so,yeah,Christians.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 18, 11, 07:12 #5
Antek_Stalich: I didn't know Poland was a Muslim country. Poland has had Muslim citizens for centuries and so it is a Muslim country and you, Antek, are a religious bigot.

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 07:45 #6
Des Essientes: Poland has had Muslim citizens for centuries and so it is a Muslim country and you, Antek, are a religious bigot. How many mosques are there in Poland? And yes, I like bigos, than you very much.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 18, 11, 08:44 #7
Antek_Stalich: How many mosques are there in Poland? Polish Tartars are Muslims and they have been a valued part of the Polish populace for centuries. Do you deny this Antek? Do you deny that they are Polish?

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Jun 18, 11, 08:47 #8

Des Essientes:

Polish Tartars are Muslims and they have been a valued part of the Polish populace for centuries. Do you deny this Antek? Do you deny that they are Polish?

Tatars have been very loyal to Poland. They have fought with us in almost every war. Tatars are generally not Muslim extremists either.

However Poland should not become like London, Paris,Berlin or Malmo where Muslims create majority muslim neighborhoods.

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Jun 18, 11, 08:56 #9

PolskiMoc:

Tatars have been very loyal to Poland. They have fought with us in almost every war. Tatars are generally not Muslim extremists either.

However Poland should not become like London, Paris,Berlin or Malmo where Muslims create majority muslim neighborhoods.

So despite the fact that Polish Tartars have helped Poland throughout the centuries you would deny them the right to their own neighborhoods. You are very misguided and Islamophobic.

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Edited by: Antek_Stalich Jun 18, 11, 09:02 #10
Des Essientes: So despite the fact that Polish Tartars have helped Poland throughout the centuries you would deny them the right to their own neighborhoods. You are very misguided and Islamophobic. My wife is of Polish Tartar ancestry and I have always thought she was Catholic? Is the Unites States an Islamic country?

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Edited by: PolskiMoc Jun 18, 11, 09:06 #11

Des Essientes:

So despite the fact that Polish Tartars have helped Poland throughout the centuries you would deny them the right to their own neighborhoods. You are very misguided and Islamophobic.

No I think Lipka Tatars deserve the right to live in Poland. They have been very patriotic to Poland

I believe there are only about 5,000-6000 Lipka Tatars. There is no reason to hate them. Charles Bronson was half Lipka Tatar.

Alot of Lipka Tatars look Polish anyways. they have mixed with us for centuries.

I just don't think that Muslims from other nations like Arabia, North Africa, Pakistan ect should be imported into Poland. At least not in large amounts like in most of Western Europe.

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Edited by: David_18 Jun 18, 11, 16:09 #12

Antek_Stalich:

I didn't know Poland was a Muslim country.

It ain't but that does not justify this ignorant behaviour by the polish state...

Are the christians worth more then the muslims?

PolskiMoc:

I just don't think that Muslims from other nations like Arabia, North Africa, Pakistan ect should be imported into Poland. At least not in large amounts like in most of Western Europe.

Why not? The Arabic people tend to have large families and Poland needs more people in the country? Poland dosen't have any wellfare beneifts anyway that would ruin the country like in the UK. So if some thousand Arabs would come to Poland they would have to work to survive not to sit on their asses like in the UK.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jun 18, 11, 16:19 #13
David_18: Are the christians worth more then the muslims? That of course is debatable, but the behaviour of Polish state is by no means... David_18: ignorant ...quite the contrary - considering the fact that Poland is an overwhelmingly Christian country, it makes sense to accept Christian refugees, who are bound to have less problems with assimilation than muslims.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 16:22 #14
David_18: Are the christians worth more then the muslims? No...but a boring sermon is better than getting your head chopped off..

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 16:25 #15
David_18: Are the christians worth more then the muslims? In a Christian country? Definitely, yes. I have to remind you Muslims are not friends of Christians.

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Jun 18, 11, 16:34 #16

wildrover:

No...but a boring sermon is better than getting your head chopped off..

There is also the occasional killing of your daughter if she doesn't behave in the way you want her to or perhaps we can throw in burning whole families in their houses as they sleep into the mix too.

Think those events are a rare event in the UK?? Think again!!

They are quite partial to a bit of stoning of the opposite sex too although granted they haven't quite managed to implement that particular aspect of Sharia law in the UK yet.

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Edited by: joepilsudski Jun 18, 11, 16:45 #17

David_18:

It's a nice gesture i guess but why Christians and not Muslims?

What a silly question...But yes, I know it is hard to come up with interesting topics here because moderators make it difficult with their guidelines.

Poland is a traditionally Christian/Catholic nation, that's why...Anyway, this was just a small humanitarian gesture.

Muslims can go to the Netherlands or Denmark: Governments there glorify diversity, correct?...In Netherlands, if they are homosexual Muslims, even better, as they can get official 'persecution' status...|--)

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Edited by: warszawski Jun 18, 11, 16:49 #18

Des Essientes:

Polish Tartars are Muslims and they have been a valued part of the Polish populace for centuries. Do you deny this Antek? Do you deny that they are Polish?

DE, this is such a nonsense statement, how can you bring up the Tatars in 2011,

"Poland looks after the rights of Christians in the world. This is our gesture of solidarity with persecuted Christians,” Foreign Minister Radek Sikorsk

Furthermore, Antek is not a religious bigot, he has more in common with an Agnostic, Christian, Jew, Muslim than an atheist. He expresses his view of helping fellow christians, as this is part of the religion he follows. By denying him his views you in fact are the bigot.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 16:55 #19
Ow gees... I opened up the religious Pandoras box... Mod close the thread.

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Jun 18, 11, 17:21 #20

warszawski:

DE, this is such a nonsense statement, how can you bring up the Tatars in 2011,

"Poland looks after the rights of Christians in the world. This is our gesture of solidarity with persecuted Christians,” Foreign Minister Radek Sikorsk

Furthermore, Antek is not a religious bigot, he has more in common with an Agnostic, Christian, Jew, Muslim than an atheist. He expresses his view of helping fellow christians, as this is part of the religion he follows. By denying him his views you are in fact are the bigot.

There are still Polish Tartars that adhere to the Muslim faith in Poland. Thats how I can bring it up. Poland is made up of millions of individuals and saying it is exclusively Christian when it has, and has had, Muslim citizens for centuries is indeed bigotry. Poland is a secular republic, anyhow, without an official state religion, and its constitution protects the rights of people of all faiths as well as the rights of atheists. So one may either say that Poland has no religion or that Poland has the all the religions of its citizens, but to claim that Poland is only Christian is bigotry. I am not a bigot for defending the Polishness of Poland's non-Christian citizens, but you, by making this ridiculous claim, have revealed yourself to be rather dense, and it appears you have a prejudice against atheists too. I applaud Poland's efforts to help persecuted people regardless of their faith and Poland should be commended for taking in these refugees.

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Edited by: Antek_Stalich Jun 18, 11, 17:22 #21
David_18: Mod close the thread. "It should be people to close (in jail), not threads" ;-)

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 18:04 #22
David_18: It's a nice gesture i guess but why Christians and not Muslims? Why not? Muslims can go to France.

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Edited by: warszawski Jun 18, 11, 18:16 #23

Des Essientes:

it appears you have a prejudice against atheists too

DE, you can lead a horse to water,but you can't make him drink.

Des Essientes:

There are still Polish Tartars that adhere to the Muslim faith in Poland. Thats how I can bring it up

Des Essientes:

Poland has had Muslim citizens for centuries and so it is a Muslim country

Des Essientes:

Poland is a secular republic

So it can't be Muslim country DE, as Poland is a secular republic, respecting all faiths...

Des Essientes:

I am not a bigot

Yes you are DE, as you are an atheist, you do not respect people of faith or their views.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 19:03 #24
David_18: It ain't but that does not justify this ignorant behaviour by the polish state... Are the christians worth more then the muslims? Well, As it happens Christians in Muslim countries are becoming targeted in case of all kinds of unrest. As for Muslim refugees wouldn't that be a duty of rich Muslim countries of the region? What is ignorant about that ?

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Jun 18, 11, 19:07 #25
Ironside: As for Muslim refugees wouldn't that be a duty of rich Muslim countries of the region? Stop!...You're making too much sense!!!

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Jun 18, 11, 20:36 #26

warszawski:

Yes you are DE, as you are an atheist, you do not respect people of faith or their views.

I respect many people of faith, but I do not respect losers like you because in quoting me you have chopped up my posting to make it look like I have contradicted myself. Do you have any sense of decency at all, or are you just a bitter old clown that feels threatened by freethinkers, and thus resorts to such dishonorableness?

warszawski:

you can lead a horse to water,but you can't make him drink.

There you go spouting a cliche that doesn't even make sense when applied to the topic being discussed. Way to go idiot.

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Edited by: warszawski Jun 18, 11, 21:31 #27

Des Essientes:

I respect many people of faith, but I do not respect losers like you because in quoting me you have chopped up my posting to make it look like I have contradicted myself

Your posts are relate to one thread " Poland grants asylum to 16 Christian refugees " and you are 100% correct you have contradicted yourself, it is there for all to see. So stop with the spoiled child act.

Des Essientes:

Do you have any sense of decency at all, or are you just a bitter old clown that feels threatened by freethinkers, and thus resorts to such dishonorableness?

Your contradiction is there for all to see and judge, please stop, with the cheap swipes and name calling, have some class man.

Des Essientes:

There you go spouting a cliche that doesn't even make sense when applied to the topic being discussed.

My quote was in context, as you were trying to lead me, in your response.

Des Essientes:

Way to go idiot.

Grow up child and get a job...

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Jun 18, 11, 22:57 #28

Waszawski, this is what I wrote and there is no contradiction in it.

Des Essientes:

Poland is a secular republic, anyhow, without an official state religion, and its constitution protects the rights of people of all faiths as well as the rights of atheists. So one may either say that Poland has no religion or that Poland has the all the religions of its citizens, but to claim that Poland is only Christian is bigotry.

If you want to say that Poland is a Christian country then you must also accept it when someone says that Poland is a Muslim country, and that Poland is an Pagan country, etc. Those claiming that Poland is an exclusively Christian country and thus only Christians are true Poles are bigots plain and simple. You also wrote the following:

warszawski:

please stop, with the cheap swipes and name calling, have some class man.

And then you wrote the following:

warszawski:

Grow up child and get a job...

You have no class, idiot.

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Jun 18, 11, 23:18 #29

Des Essientes - this is what you wrote.

Des Essientes:

Poland has had Muslim citizens for centuries and so it is a Muslim country and you, Antek, are a religious bigot.

In response to this.

Antek_Stalich:

I didn't know Poland was a Muslim country.

Des Essientes:

If you want to say that Poland is a Christian country then you must also accept it when someone says that Poland is a Muslim country

I did not mention previously, that Poland is a Christian country, what I did say

warszawski:

DE, this is such a nonsense statement, how can you bring up the Tatars in 2011,

and

warszawski:

By denying him his views you in fact are the bigot.

. I will now enter into your gutter of personal attacks, you are like a slippery pig Des Essientes, twisting and turning as someone pins you down on what you have previously quoted. It is time to crawl outside your bubble and find the real world.

For centuries, Poland has been a predominantly Catholic country, and for most Poles being Catholic is part of the Polish identity. It has historically been part of what separates Polish culture from neighboring Germany, especially eastern and northern Germany, which is mostly Lutheran, and the countries to the east which are Orthodox. During the times of foreign oppression, the Catholic Church remained for many Poles a cultural guard in the fight for independence and national survival. At no time in its history has Poland been a predominantly Muslim country.

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Jun 18, 11, 23:44 #30

warszawski:

At no time in its history has Poland been a predominantly Muslim country.

I never claimed Poland had ever been predominantly Muslim, but since it has had Muslim citizens for centuries, and it still does today, then, in addition to being a Christian country, Poland is also a Muslim country. Antek was either ignorant of the existence of the Sunni Muslim Polish Tartars, or by saying that he didn't know that Poland is a Muslim country he was denying the Polishness of Polish Muslims, and other non-Christian Poles, and that is religious bigotry.

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