Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU

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Sep 9, 10, 10:36 #1

Though Polish migrants are a common feature in many EU countries, Poland, and Romania, have the fewest number of foreigners living and working within their borders, finds a new survey.

Whereas 31.9 million foreigners are living in the EU - or 6.4 percent of the total population in the 27-nation bloc - just 0.1 of those living in Poland (35,000) are not Polish citizens, shows Eurostat, the EU’s statistical office.

Luxembourg has the highest persantage of foreigners within its borders (44 percent, or 214,800). Germany has 7.2 million foreigners living and working there, Spain 5.7 million, the UK 4 million and Italy 3.9 million.

One and a half million Poles are currently living in other EU countries.

http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul139214_poland-hosts-fewest- number-of-foreigners-in-eu.html

Not really news to us foreigners in Poland, eh?

FlaglessPoleThreads: 7 Posts: 1,394 Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂	Sep 9, 10, 10:53 #2
That is very few indeed. Are there any statistics on how many Poles with dual citizenship live in Poland?

BolleThreads: 3 Posts: 226 Joined: Apr 29, 10 ♂	Edited by: Bolle Sep 9, 10, 10:58 #3
This is not necessarily a bad thing, harry. However i'm certain this will eventually change - i already see more colored people in poland than in the past. It would be wise for poland to have stricter immigration criteria than western europe to avoid bringing in uneducated/useless 3rd worlders. They should be brought in at a slower pace to avoid social/cultural problems.

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Sep 9, 10, 10:59 #4

Didn't I read somewhere that Poland is one of the most "ethnically homogenous" countries in Europe? Not sure of exact wording. It sounds strange to me though considering the shifting borders and many neighbours.

For purely economic reasons I'm not surprised at the OP's statistic - most migration is dictated by financial opportunities that would not be available in the person's own country. Poland's economy makes it much less likely that the majority of western Europe for example would move there. Ditto, Romania.

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Edited by: jwojcie Sep 9, 10, 11:07 #5

Although it is probably true that Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU, this number 35000 it totally unreliable. Vietnamese alone makes up according to different sources between 20000 - 60000.

Teffle:

It sounds strange to me though considering the shifting borders and many neighbours

Borders during and after WWII were shifted with people...

PS. I've read somewhere that those statistics were based on 2001 census, but source is unsure

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Sep 9, 10, 11:08 #6
jwojcie: Borders during and after WWII were shifted with people... Yes - exactly what I am referring to. Which is why the ethnically homogenous description doesn't sound accurate.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Sep 9, 10, 11:11 #7
How many Brits living in Poland? 6,000? Irish? 3000? Americans? (not of Polish ancestry) 4000? I'd really like to know.

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 9, 10, 11:16 #8

Teffle:

It sounds strange to me though considering the shifting borders and many neighbours.

do you heard about przesiedlenia (relocations?)? Most Poles were relocated from Soviet Union (my Grandma was born in area which is now Belarus; my Grandfather in now-a-day Ukraine). Germans and Ukrainians were relocated from Poland. Jews emigrated during 50s and 60s to Israel and USA. So absolutely there is nothing strange with that fact.

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Edited by: Teffle Sep 9, 10, 11:18 #9

So there is hardly anyone of e.g Russian German Lithuanian Czech etc...descent in Poland then?

I am aware of the relocations but it still sounds odd that Poland can still remain so "pure" so to speak. I only really know about a dozen or so Poles well and at least three of them are not completely Polish for a start.

Anyway sorry, it's off topic really.

As above, I think the reason for low numbers of foreigners in Poland is simply an economic one.

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Sep 9, 10, 11:18 #10

jwojcie:

Although it is probably true that Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU, this number 35000 it totally unreliable. Vietnamese alone makes up according to different sources between 20000 - 60000.

Quite of few of them have passports, no longer foreigners

Teffle:

Which is why the ethnically homogenous description doesn't sound accurate.

Poles were uprooted and moved West...which was cleared of Germans.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Sep 9, 10, 11:20 #11
I'm too lazy to check, do they use official figures or educated guesses. The official figures are probably several times smaller than the real numbers.

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Sep 9, 10, 11:24 #12

jwojcie:

Although Poland it is probably true that Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU, this number 35000 it totally unreliable. Vietnamese alone makes up according to different sources between 20000 - 60000.

That number should be pretty reliable, given that the figures it is based on will come from Polish government offices and they have rather accurate data about the number of people who have permits to be here.

Of course, there is an undocumented community here, and the Vietnamese are the largest group in that community. The Office of Repatriation and Foreigners estimated just the number of illegal Vietnamese in Poland in 2003 at 30,000 and the total undocumented population at around 45,000 to 50,000.

Wroclaw Boy:

How many Brits living in Poland? 6,000?

The truth is that nobody knows. As Poland has made the procedure for registering here so bureaucratic and worthless, there's no reason at all for Brits to register anymore and so they don't.

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Sep 9, 10, 11:35 #13

I would love to know how many Brits came to Poland and tried to make a life here , only to go back home after a few years of struggle....

If you are Polish , its possible to go to the UK with nothing , and come home rich if you try hard enough , but a Brit coming to Poland comes here rich , and leaves with nothing...

I think it will be a long time before Poland sees a large number of Brits coming here...it may be overun by other immigrants from the east though...

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂	Sep 9, 10, 11:41 #14
convex: Quite of few of them have passports, no longer foreigners I know, one of my logic lecturers was a Vietnamese... Anyway according to wiki 20000 of them has "karta stałego pobytu" which I suppose would count them as foreigners still.

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Sep 9, 10, 11:53 #15

wildrover:

I would love to know how many Brits came to Poland and tried to make a life here , only to go back home after a few years of struggle....

If you are Polish , its possible to go to the UK with nothing , and come home rich if you try hard enough , but a Brit coming to Poland comes here rich , and leaves with nothing...

Options for Brits and many other foreigners here are simple, teach English or start a business. Then again most Poles cant really make it unless they bend the rules within their own fields or start business, so what the hell.

Language barrier is a huge hurdle, that and every bugger trying to rip you off.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Sep 9, 10, 12:10 #16
Well its one of the worlds most difficult languages apparently, and the price of property and rent is absolutely insanely high in relation to the miserably low wages so im not all that surprised. Its obvious.

A JThreads: 19 Posts: 4,639 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Sep 9, 10, 12:23 #17
Harry: Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU Good, they can have some of ours then. ;P

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Sep 9, 10, 12:29 #18
A J: Good, they can have some of ours then. We'll trade some Vietnamese for Indonesians, don't try to sneak Dutch people in. Have a need for Rendang...

FlaglessPoleThreads: 7 Posts: 1,394 Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂	Sep 9, 10, 12:45 #19
... in the meantime the numbers of polish United Colors of Benetton supporters grow steadily, the polish textile underground is rife with rumors. Something big is afoot, the Nike crowd feels threatened...

Matt32Threads: 11 Posts: 193 Joined: Aug 30, 10 ♀	Sep 9, 10, 13:08 #20
I'm sorry but I don't understand, how this information is important?! I really don't understand:(

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Sep 9, 10, 13:18 #21
Matt32: I'm sorry but I don't understand, how this information is important?! I really don't understand:( Read the topic, then the posts. See the connection?

A JThreads: 19 Posts: 4,639 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Edited by: A J Sep 9, 10, 13:34 #22
Mr Grunwald: Indeed Oh yeah? And what do Norwegians have to offer besides shrinkage? ..and a caveman look? Well? ;P convex: We'll trade some Vietnamese for Indonesians, don't try to sneak Dutch people in. Have a need for Rendang... Well, if you don't want to be a sport I'll send you some Rendang by mail then! Hmm.. I wonder if it tastes like what it looks like? xD

Matt32Threads: 11 Posts: 193 Joined: Aug 30, 10 ♀	Sep 9, 10, 13:34 #23
convex: See the connection? You mean that peeps are emigrating from Poland in droves and only few is coming to live in Poland?

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Sep 9, 10, 13:41 #24

WB, it's hard to tell how many as many don't register their presence. I wasn't told to do so as my school was lazy and made a mistake. Therefore, there are many undeclared cases and they significantly distort any official figures.

Also, there is nothing stopping EU nationals from coming here. Poland just isn't an attractive proposition for Germans and French, for example. However, that's largely because they haven't sampled life here. There isn't the racial and religious tension that now exists in France and Germany :)

tow_stalinThreads: 2 Posts: 72 Joined: Jul 21, 10 ♂	Sep 9, 10, 14:20 #25
"Poland hosts lowest proportion of foreigners in the EU" eeeeeee, yyyyyyyy... and so what? is this any kind of problem?

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Edited by: zetigrek Sep 9, 10, 14:31 #26
Mr Grunwald: There is probably a lot of them, but if you ask them of their nationality they would probably say Polish Actually no. We have quite great German miniority in Poland. Example: Miroslav Klose. The same as it goes for other minors. But op's article is not about erhnic miniorities, so what's your point, Teffle?

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Sep 9, 10, 14:47 #27

Harry:

Though Polish migrants are a common feature in many EU countries, Poland, and Romania, have the fewest number of foreigners living and working within their borders, finds a new survey.

Well then it's time this changes: from now on, we're gonna direct all streams of incoming foreigners straight to Poland and Romania.

Harry:

Whereas 31.9 million foreigners are living in the EU - or 6.4 percent of the total population in the 27-nation bloc - just 0.1 of those living in Poland (35,000) are not Polish citizens, shows Eurostat, the EU’s statistical office.

Whoa, this makes the whiners about too many foreigners in Europe look really, really bad. Whining about nothing, I see. They should crawl in their corner and be very ashamed of themselves.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens - some bloc)

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Edited by: Bzibzioh Sep 9, 10, 15:03 #28
MareGaea: Whoa, this makes the whiners about too many foreigners in Europe look really, really bad. Whining about nothing, I see. Nothing? And in case you were wondering what islam is about So have a nice sharia!

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Edited by: MareGaea Sep 9, 10, 15:32 #29

Don't you just love those hate-videos? Christian Americans that worry about the EU with all her 31 states. :))

Of course the video is all nonsense and scaremongering. A few true facts, not from this Christian clip:

the total number of Muslims in Europe in 2007 was about 53 million, including 16 million in the European Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

According to the clip, they all live in the EU, all 31 memberstates :) The 53 mln includes of course Islamic countries like Bosnia, Azarbeidjan and others.

16 mln of the nearly 500 mln ppl living in the EU are Muslim. No, we've got nothing to fear about. None of these hate- and fearmongering videos will be able to change that.

Edit: just wondering, are the Catholics/Christians afraid they won't have the dominant religion anymore so they cannot harrass that many ppl?

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M-G (tiens)

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Sep 9, 10, 16:05 #30
Teffle: For purely economic reasons I'm not surprised at the OP's statistic - most migration is dictated by financial opportunities that would not be available in the person's own country. Poland's economy makes it much less likely that the majority of western Europe for example would move there. Ditto, Romania. I would agree with that, so Poland has little to fear indeed.

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