Poland and the Jews

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Edited by: JMN1040 Jul 10, 09, 08:23 #841

An update to my earlier message...My Jewish significant other and I are now over. He called me a "Pollock" & told me his family was always against the idea of dating a Polish girl. He told me he was just using me (which he got $25K out of me in the last 2 yrs because I took care of him while he was in the hospital, & thus, helped him pay for his bills; well, when I found out I had a brain tumor 3 mos ago, which has caused increasily debilitating painful spasms (impairs motor function, memory, etc.) since, I started to became a "bother" to him (putting it lightly) where my suffering made him "suffer." So I guess I know what I have to do for now on, avoid becoming involved with South Florida Jewish men. The ones I've dealt with are always greedy & will step on anyone else (except other jewish people) to get ahead (except for maybe Maddox). It still hurts because I really loved him, and I know he'll be happy with a Jewish woman (because he's now starting to get over his hypocrisy of not dating anyone who isn't Jewish; this happened when he went online to reunite with his old classmates for their 20th HS reunion next year; their HS wasn't Jewish but 95% of wealthy Jewish families attended there...again in South Florida). Recently, I have heard that Jewish people, especially in the Northeastern part of the U.S., do better integrating with other ethnic groups. And, that the "true" Jewish of Jerusalum actually resent the voraciousness of Jewish people who reside in many parts of America. My father, who again did not raise me to be a racist (because I would not have gotten involved with a Jewish person in the first place) said I'm better off going to a "Catholic club" to meet people like myself that hold the same values that I do. Also, he stated I need to try to join a professional club since I'm a professional person in my field (& not "cut throat" about making it to the top; I do work smart for than hard; but I guess I'm very loyal so a "pee on" in most Jewish people's eyes). Anyways, thanks for your help anyways.

Heartbrokern but smarter for it,
"Proud to be" Janina Napierkowski

thebear45Threads: 2 Posts: 95 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♂	Jul 10, 09, 08:31 #842
JMN1040: had a brain tumor 3 im sorry... may god grant you health JMN1040: jewish significant never date, or marry jew, if you are non-jew... this is simply impossible. greedy jew wants nothin but gain wealth and prestige, even if it mean losing the family

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Edited by: JMN1040 Jul 10, 09, 08:36 #843

Well said, thebear45! His family seem to thrive at everyone's expense but their own. And even if I married him it wouldn't matter because I wasn't blood related (& more importantly Jewish). And if I ever had a child with him I doubt the family would accept him because that child's religion won't be Jewish (because I, as the mother, am not Jewish...according to their tradition). Their religion is stricter than my own Roman Catholic faith. No wonder it invites biased behavior. My dad thinks that Jerusalem is the only thing that still really unites them (meaning those who have lived outside of Jerusalem for thousands of year), that's if they didn't experience Hitler's wrath like my family did. Stalin still was much worse.

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Edited by: Torq Jul 10, 09, 08:38 #844

thebear45:

never date, or marry jew, if you are non-jew... this is simply impossible. greedy jew wants nothin but gain wealth and prestige, even if it mean losing the family

JMN1040:

Well said, thebear45! His family seem to thrive at everyone's expense but their own.

I'm sick and tired of reading bullsh*it like that on almost every forum I visit.
Why don't you get a grip of yourself and stop generalizing about the entire
nation (a great nation by the way) judging by a couple of your personal
experiences?

thebear45Threads: 2 Posts: 95 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♂	Jul 10, 09, 08:41 #845
Torq: a great nation by the way fu%k israel man.. great nation built on palestine

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Jul 10, 09, 08:48 #846

thebear45:

fu%k israel man

Oh, they tried. In 1948 they tried, 1967, 1973 and couple of other times
and guess what? Those who tried to f**k Israel got f****d themselves :)

Am Israel, am Israel, am Israel Chai
Am Israel, am Israel, am Israel Chai
Am Israel, am Israel, am Israel Chai
la la la la la la la

Sing along with me, Rock :)

thebear45:

great nation built on palestine

You see, I could discuss this issue with you bear, but seeing as you
are an "Allah akbar" shouting, muslim maniac - I really see no point
in trying to explain anything to you.

thebear45Threads: 2 Posts: 95 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♂	Jul 10, 09, 08:51 #847
Torq: You see, I could discuss this issue with you bear, but seeing as you are an "Allah akbar" shouting, muslim maniac - I really see no point in trying to explain anything to you. well, see as you know me.. i bid u goodnight, with one last allah akbar for you ALLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AKbar!

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Jul 10, 09, 08:51 #848

I'm not talking about the nation of Jerusalem. I'm talking about the Jewish people who have NOT lived there for 1000s of years and won't accept any other homeland even though their family has been there all that time. BTW, my family was in concentration camps for helping save the Jewish people & they took my grandfather's home and he was never bitter. Again, I wasn't raised racist. This is not just based on personal experiences, but on statements out of the vast majority of the Jewish community in South Florida (who have lived in this country for over a century by the way). They state they hate Polish people when they invented the word Pollock. They say we're stupid because we're hard workers. My grandfather spoke 5 languages as a result of being raised in Poland. He didn't pass that down to the rest of the family because he was glad to be American. He was also proud of his last name but he didn't push his Polish heritage on other people. He comingled with his (newly) American neighbors who came from all countries around the world (i.e. WWI & II). They didn't ask to be referred by their heritage OR religion. Just like my grandfather didn't ask to be called Catholic. And yes, the birth of Catholism happened in Jerusalem. So we ALL have an interest in it.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Jul 10, 09, 08:57 #849
Sorry, Janina but you're spouting hatred based on words of some Jewish community in Florida (of course assuming that you're telling truth). I assure you that there are many Polish communities in USA in which you would find people saying equally derogatory things about Jews. There are racists in every nation. Poles and Jews are not exceptions here.

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Edited by: JMN1040 Jul 10, 09, 09:08 #850

Torq:

I'm sick and tired of reading bullsh*it like that on almost every forum I visit.Why don't you get a grip of yourself and stop generalizing about the entire
nation (a great nation by the way) judging by a couple of your personal
experiences?
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I wasn't talking about the nation of Jerusalem, where also Catholism (hence, Christianity was born). I'm talking about the vast majority of the Jewish Community of South Florida (the 2nd most populous Jewish Community in the UNITED STATES) NOT accepting anyone else who is not Jewish. If they claim Jerusalem is their homeland, then they should go back (but I know the people who actually were born in Jerusalem aren't as accepting of those who practice the Sin of Gluttony, so I'm told; they might find their not as welcome in their homeland if they don't change their ways).

Torq:

Sorry, Janina but you're spouting hatred based on words of some Jewish community
in Florida (of course assuming that you're telling truth).

I assure you it is the truth, sadly. You're right as to the other areas. My grandfather moved to Worcester, Mass. with my father & like I said earlier all groups (include those who were Jewish) were able to be very cordial to one another. Maybe because each "group" remembered why they fled to the U.S. in the 1st place. I'm very disheartened after witnessing 38 years of intolerance here (my native land). I'm going to be on the next boat (raft if I have to) back to Poland because I've witnessed more tolerance than where I live. And, I don't expect them to cater to me. I'm going to my family's homeland (not mine) & I have to learn (thus, do whatever it takes) to integrate with every part of their culture they find necessary to make my incorporation successful.

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Jul 10, 09, 12:36 #851

Torq:

a great nation by the way

That's debatable, but a good friend of mine is Jewish. If I were to generalise the entire people by that example, I'd say that they were all wonderfully caring, unselfish, intelligent, hardworking, un-prejudiced people, and to meet as many as you can. My (conspicuously Polish) father has also been working at the University of Georgia in the US as a research professor for about ten years now, and often laments over the phone to me about the prejudice he deals with from all those 'good ol' boy' types with their 'exclusive Georgia Boy's club', from everybody except the faculty's notable Orthodox Jews, who he only notes as being extremely supportive, honest, and generally extremely helpful towards him.
He has a lot to say about 'corruption' and bias at said institute, but one of the things he mentions frequently is that it's just as often against aforementioned notable Jewish elements as himself, and that said the Jews in the administration are nothing but honest and sincere.
Note also that this is not exactly coming from the mouth of a man who is known for his fondness of the Jewish people.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 10, 09, 13:45 #852
Gotta give credit where credit is due.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 10, 09, 15:24 #853
JMN1040: They state they hate Polish people when they invented the word Pollock. Don't talk complete and utter rubbish.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Edited by: PlasticPole Jul 10, 09, 15:37 #854
JMN1040: JMN1040 Janina, I am sure things will work out for you. Sounds like you had a few bad experiences but are intelligent and beautiful. Good luck in the future.

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Edited by: JMN1040 Jul 10, 09, 16:53 #855

Thank you PlasticPole & Pam Kazimierz for your comments!

Pan Kazimierz:

Orthodox Jews, who he only notes as being extremely supportive, honest, and generally extremely helpful towards him.

Yes, they are the Jewish group I was talking about when it came to how they would not widely accept the behavior of most in the South Florida Jewish community. I have the upmost respect for them. I wish everyone who was Jewish would use the same values they the Orthodox Jewish utilize. They don't have to be as "faithful" but at least remember to treat their fellow men (and women) the way that they would want to be treated. You can still be successful that way.

By the way, my South Florida Jewish friends (who are not Orthodox) have also discussed at Temple, say their not worried about "curving" their behavior because they're the "chosen ones" so they'll will be got to heaven no matter what.
Anyway, I'm moving to Georgia. I want to be around more people who have respect for their fellow man(women). I know the world is not perfect but it can be better, especially in certain areas.

-Keeping my chin up!

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Jul 10, 09, 17:40 #856
Janina, Have you lived in Georgia before? Isn't it full of blacks and rednecks and all sorts of hicks? I would rather live in New England or California.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 10, 09, 18:41 #857
Orthodox Jews hve some anger management issues too: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/06/2617502.htm

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Jul 10, 09, 20:56 #858

Kielce pogrom anniversary
thenews.pl
04.07.2009
Ceremonies are being held in Kielce, central Poland, commemorating Jewish victims of the pogrom that took place in the city 63 years ago.
At noon wreaths were laid by the mayor of Kilece and city representatives at a monument in memory of those killed in the communist orchestrated tragedy on 4 July 1946. The exact details of what happened in the city in the bloody first week in July, 63 years ago have been disputed ever since by historians.
Later, a March of Remembrance and Prayer is walking the route from the Menora � a monument recalling the liquidation of the local Jewish ghetto by the Nazis during World War Two - to the Jewish cemetery.
A large screen public showing of photographs depicting pre-war Jewish inhabitants of Kielce has also been organized as well as the publication of a history of Jews in the region, in Polish, Hebrew and English language versions by the Jan Karski Association.
The anti-Jewish riots in Kielce in 1946 and the ensuing pogrom claimed the lives of over 40 people, at least 37 of them Jewish inhabitants of the city.

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Jul 10, 09, 23:28 #859

JMN1040:

Anyway, I'm moving to Georgia.

Might want to re-think that... Athens is very 'liberal', 'progressive', and 'diverse' in comparison to the rest of the state (probably second only to Atlanta)... yet the 'you ain't from around here, is you boy' attitude is still so thick you can smell it (it smells like chitlins, cheep beer, and barbecue sauce).
As far as tolerance goes... face it, the 'ordinary' people there don't like you. I've had great experiences with the majority of the minority there (okay, let's face it: except the 'African-Americans'. Though I also know a great many 'stereotype-breakers' who are great people as well, and sadly often labeled 'Oreos' by their more... traditional? counterparts), but then, the typical 'Georgia Boy' doesn't like them much, either. (I've experienced far more of Anti-Semitism as a socially acceptable phenomenon in that place than either Warsaw (brief though my stay there was) or Rzeszów... then again, I've yet to hear anything much at all mentioned about Jews here, with of course the major exception of my grandmother on my father's side, who nobody listens to, I (rather: we) don't like, and is not a good example, anyway.

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Jul 13, 09, 10:55 #860

1jola:

Orthodox Jews hve some anger management issues too

Just for your information, the demonstrations she's reporting on are being conducted by a very small group of nutty people. Most orthodox Jews think what they are doing is terrible. It has to do with really hot weather and vacation from school. I really feel bad for the reporter and hope she is able to put this in perspective and get over it. Her mistake, by the way, was to take out the recorder and use it in public on the sabbath. The mob thought she did it to provoke them, and they reacted the way mobs do. One thing to their (very little) credit – they humiliated her but didn't try to kill her.

JMN1040Threads: 3 Posts: 15 Joined: Aug 18, 07 ♀	Edited by: JMN1040 Jul 16, 09, 07:25 #861
Why can't we all just be... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxT21uFRwM or, more recently... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8pqyvNFxkI (Notice the relgious symbols that come together in this video.) After watching these links with my daughter I promised myself that I will not become intolerant of those who are intolerant of me.

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Jul 16, 09, 09:05 #862

yehudi:

Most orthodox Jews think what they are doing is terrible.

I understand. From what I know, the Haredim are just a small portion of the Orthodox community and often are in odds with the rest of society. Yes, the reporter should have been aware that some people take very seriously laws they believe and refrained from angering them. For some reason, people insist on going into areas of Jerusalem that they are not exactly welcome in and don't know the rules of that community.

These incidents of spitting on people are very infrequent but are damaging as they are reported and we get to read about them. No one writes in the paper that an Orthodox man helped them in some way. Same can be said in reverse. You never read that someone helped a Jewish person but when someone hits one, it's worldwide news.

Upon reflection, I'm not that surprised at that incident. Mobs are not sensible thinking entities; they are angry and easily provoked. Being a reporter is at times a dangerous job.

An urelated thought. Previously, I was critical of the new museum being built in Warsaw, mainly because of the cost to the city and more important things that needed to be addressed. However, now, after looking at it, I think it will be a good thing because it will show visitors that Poland is not just a cemetary for Jews.

http://www.jewishmuseum.org.pl/articles.php?miId=96&lang=en

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 16, 09, 12:27 #863
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8151336.stm, this is highly relevant. There's another Youtube video where 2 IDF soldiers spill the beans on their various covert operations. I don't think Polish soldiers would be so cruel. These are flagrant violations and need to be dealt with. Otherwise, some legislation needs to be burned.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Jul 16, 09, 16:11 #864
JMN1040: After watching these links with my daughter I promised myself that I will not become intolerant of those who are intolerant of me. Yeah because then you are just feeding into it and it becomes a negative cycle that only spirals downward.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 16, 09, 16:46 #865
JMN1040: After watching these links with my daughter I promised myself that I will not become intolerant of those who are intolerant of me. Loser. A group hug while someone is trashing you. Nice to hear you will become an Emo like your daughter. ... we are the world...

LAGirlThreads: 13 Posts: 598 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♀	Jul 17, 09, 02:23 #866
I agree with you LMN I will never marry or be involed with a Jewish man again they are the worst lovers and they are controlling and selfish and only care about themselves and money.date someone in your faith. I have a wounderful Polish man now I am I am happy he takes care of me he doesnt cheat and he is honest and very goodhearted. goodluck and finding the right guy.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Jul 17, 09, 02:28 #867
1jola: Upon reflection, I'm not that surprised at that incident. Mobs are not sensible thinking entities; they are angry and easily provoked. Being a reporter is at times a dangerous job. Wow.. thanks for pointing out the obvious there, Joke-a. Hey, are you under the impression that in a football match the team scoring more goals eventually wins? Thanks again for the insight you bring to PF.

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Edited by: JMN1040 Jul 17, 09, 02:48 #868

1jola
"Loser. A group hug while someone is trashing you. Nice to hear you will become an Emo like your daughter. ... we are the world..."

Who is trashing who & how old are you? My teenage daughter's friends use the "emo" expression for people like you. No wonder you sound so ignorant.

BTW, this is the "Polish Forum," so if you're not in the spirit of global unity and/or not "Polish" why are you posting on this forum?

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Jul 17, 09, 03:06 #869

LAGirl:

I agree with you LMN I will never marry or be involed with a Jewish man again they are the worst lovers and they are controlling and selfish and only care about themselves and money.date someone in your faith. I have a wounderful Polish man now I am I am happy he takes care of me he doesnt cheat and he is honest and very goodhearted. goodluck and finding the right guy.

I agree also. Although I will maintain my tolerance of ALL others (despite their acceptance of me) I do feel the best relationships are between those who share the same values, belief, etc. (maybe even the same occupation!) So when the next guy comes along maybe our relationship prospects will be better if he's first generation Polish American (Roman Catholic) where his parents are still married, and he's a CPA.

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Jul 17, 09, 03:41 #870

PolishDude:

Poland and the Jews

A Polish-Jewish doctor, famed for treating AK insurgents in Warsaw before and during the Rising found himself ringed and surrounded by Wehrmacht who were in turn ringed and surrounded by SS.

It turned out the doctor had treated and saved the life of a Wehrmacht officer, but the SS wanted him dead, and the Wehrmacht wanted to protect him. A stand-off ensued, and the SS backed down. The doctor was saved but it was understood the SS caught up with him shortly after with the inevitable result.

My dad saw that with his own eyes and passed the story onto me.

Whilst stories abound on this forum painting generalisations of how certain nationalities and religions were or are, sometimes a surprising anecdote like that pops up and it should, in my view, give us all pause for thought.

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