Poland and the Jews

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Aug 24, 08, 06:33 #121
Bratwurst Boy: Can you imagine a white singer saying openly "I'm white and I'm proud" without getting killed by the media??? Are white people oppressed for being white?

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Aug 24, 08, 06:36 #122

Bratwurst Boy:

Can you imagine a white singer saying openly "I'm white and I'm proud" without getting killed by the media???

Good point, BB. Some people went too far in their fight for the human rights, obviously infringing the rights of whites (in this particular case).
There's a joke... the most protected person in american society is a black woman, invalid, queer, veteran of Vietnamese War, victim of Bear's agression.

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Aug 24, 08, 08:01 #123

Warsaw8:

What havent I conquered? The battle of the internet wars? lol...

Good book there Joe-1984, but its Odin forever. Dont know how to make that anymore clear. You know, some "extremist" feel that Jews are satans sons. Not saying I believe it but have heard it a few times, enough to the point that it makes me wonder...

Yes, we can quite see that you believe whatever you are told, but in this case from the extreme, white facist, neo-nazi movement. In Russia, they are simply pawns of Putin's current bid for reinstating empire, and will be crushed as soon as he has no use for them. Meanwhile, they have adopted the stance of someone who would've destroyed and controlled them no differently than Stalin, but they salute and kill in his name like a pack of rabid dogs. That's right - rabid dogs, because for all of their ranting about superiority, they can't go out and kill old ladies, little girls, and lone men unless they are in a pack of brainwashed, deranged, lost children with an inferiority complex shouting "white power", while they are the very image of powerlessness. They are no different than any other crazed, fanatic, desperate group that can't cope with the fact that they are no longer the center of the universe on a more equal playing field, and resort to violence. Islamofacists come to mind, but at the very least - if we are to resort to your crude and blighted dogma, they are superior to you, because:

A) they have more courage than you and go out alone and die"
along with everyone else, and

B) would most likely rank higher than you on a crude IQ scale that you keep waving around, because they are Central Asians.

For those who can't discern my message here, I am not supporting Islamofacists and terrorism of any sort. What I am saying - just to clear - is that white supermacists and the their trained dogs of neo-nazi gangs are even lower on the scale of human pond life than Islamo-facists; just to be clear.

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Aug 24, 08, 08:13 #124

Bratwurst Boy:

There is no "great society"

When referring to 'The Great Society' I am referring to the policies of Lyndon Baines Johnson the thirty-sixth President of the United States.

The Great Society was a series of social reforms targeting the elimination of poverty and racial inequality.

Major spending was enacted to kick off programs that tackled issues with education, medical care, general urban problems in general.

masks98Threads: 32 Posts: 374 Joined: Apr 10, 08 ♂	Aug 24, 08, 08:25 #125
Sasha: Good point, BB. Some people went too far in their fight for the human rights, obviously infringing the rights of whites (in this particular case). There's a joke... the most protected person in american society is a black woman, invalid, queer, veteran of Vietnamese War, victim of Bear's agressi I showed why his point wasn't a good point, you should read it.

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Edited by: Calicoe Aug 24, 08, 08:25 #126

Bratwurst Boy:

That's crap:

Germans, Poles and Dutchs are not really much "diverse" and they rule the IQ league in Europe

I have already stated in this thread why the IQ scale in the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" is problematic, including the fact that it is not even straight data, but estimations based on reports rather than data sets, which were wildly uneven and unstandardized as a tool of comparison. However, your IQ scores even vary from theirs, which is questionable since many of the countries on that list may have not released or even collected total data sets any way.

So, let's start from the basics:

Do you have a published source, date, and sample size of those supposed "IQ scores"?

Bratwurst Boy:

Well...but we live in 2008 now and what started out as a good idea, to further the equality of races, has now somehow developed into something which made EVERYBODY feel good and free but the Whites.
Aren't they the only ones now who are not allowed to openly expressed pride in their race and heritage?

The problem here is what you and white supremacists call "pride", is really a form of mind control and violence to resist the unchallenged place they have occupied in history by force, slavery, colonization, segregation and Jim Crow, and manipulation.
Learn history, and not just your selected version of it. I am not putting down any group and know the power of European history, but your lot starts whining like little girls because other groups who have been oppressed for centuries suddenly have a chance to recover their lost history. You moan about Poland's tragic history since the late 19th Century, but most recently the 20th Century, and you can't understand groups who have undergone an even bigger genocide for thousands of years. That is why "white pride" groups are really about white anger and white entitlement, white resentment and white ignorance, because you are not interested in education or educating.

Raw control and oppression is a dying form of "white power" so you need a replacement to bolster your claim to false superiority. Do you want to see the direct result of this process? - go to Russia, where white-on-white oppression has occurred through the Soviet Union, and take a look at their aggregated (read useless) IQ scores. Not very impressive, and yet there is no doubt that there were very smart people coming out of there, many who were Jews by the way. However, the smart people are out in the world doing things with their brain. They are certainly not running with the pack of trained dogs that go out and beat up women, children and innocent bystanders as a group. Oh yeah - "white power", by a bunch of primitives - what a joke.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 24, 08, 08:55 #127

Calicoe:

The problem here is what you and white supremacists call "pride", is really a form of mind control and violence to resist the unchallenged place they have occupied in history by force, slavery, colonization, segregation and Jim Crow, and manipulation.

Blah Blah Blah

and

Crap!

Sorry...try again...

PS: But I have to admit, you have that PC-multiculti brainwashing sucked in total, hook line and sinker!
Just substitute "white" for "black" in your vomit and see where it get's you...

CalicoeThreads: 1 Posts: 205 Joined: Aug 15, 08 ♀	Aug 24, 08, 08:58 #128
Right, you just proved my point. Absolutely nothing to say in the intellectual sphere of discussion or analysis, hence your clinging to racist hate propaganda like a life raft. Next!

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 24, 08, 09:01 #129

*snicker*

Yeah sure...spouting learned phrases counts not for intellectual discourse where I come from!

I'm a white guy proud of my race, my people, my heritage - and I never in my whole life did beat a dog, a woman or someone of another race..(nor did I kill a Jew).

What now?

In which of your drawers do I fit in now?

Calicoe:

However, the smart people are out in the world doing things with their brain.

He..what would YOU know about them???

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Aug 24, 08, 09:02 #130

Bratwurst Boy:

PS: But I have to admit, you have that PC-multiculti brainwashing sucked in total, hook line and sinker!
Just substitute "white" for "black" in your vomit and see where it get's you...

Where is my brainwashing? Everything I have just said can be substantiated and argued by history and critical analysis determined by objective measures and comparisons.

Where IS the source, date and sample size of the IQ chart you like to wave around? These are basic questions of any thinking person. Have you thought about it? Obviously not, and still aren't, based on your response.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 24, 08, 09:04 #131
Calicoe: Where is my brainwashing? You know, what you just said so frankly...White is baaaad...white is evil...white is slavery...white is genocide...white is opression...white is control....white is beating dogs and wives.... That kind of stuff! Someone had to drum that into your head...you weren't born with that...

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Edited by: Calicoe Aug 24, 08, 09:05 #132

Bratwurst Boy:

I'm a white guy proud of my race, my people, my heritage - and I never in my whole life did beat a dog, a woman or someone of another race..

Yes, we can see your pride, but what else do you have to be proud of besides your race, something which you had no choice or anything to do with.

What have you to be proud of besides being born? Anything? Can you think? Do you have FACTS on the propaganda you wave around.

Let's start with that one basic question:

What is the source, date, and data sample of the IQ chart you posted?

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Bratwurst quote: "You know, what you just said so frankly...White is baaaad...white is evil...white is slavery...white is genocide...white is opression...white is control....white is beating dogs and wives....

That kind of stuff! Someone had to drum that into your head...you aren't born with that..." end quote.

I have not said that anywhere, and in fact would welcome a full and unbiased discussion of history. I also welcome an academic discussion of data which you have presented, which is an academic exercise. White supremacists run from the facts and use indoctrinated and unscientific sources instead. There is nothing drummed into my head except for education, proof, analyses, and facts. I am controlled by no one, and therefore could never be the pawn or desperate clinging fanatic to someone else's agenda, whether it be neo-nazis, Islamo-facists, or the Soviet Union.

I encourage you to think rather than react. When you are ready to discuss you different point of view on an intellectual plane rather than as a knee-jerk, hysterical mantra based on fear, I'm ready.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 24, 08, 09:10 #133
Calicoe: What is the source, date, and data sample of the IQ chart you posted? URL URL IQ and the Wealth of Nations URL

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Edited by: Grzegorz_ Aug 24, 08, 09:13 #134

Calicoe:

it is not even straight data, but estimations

And what do you expect ? IQ test for each and every person ?

Calicoe:

by force, slavery, colonization, segregation and Jim Crow, and manipulation.

Christ... There's no a nation in the world, which wasn't conquered, humiliated etc. Not so long ago most of European nations didn't even have their own country and in America many European immigrants were treated like 2nd class people until the beginning of 20th century.

Calicoe:

Learn history, and not just your selected version of it.

Do that yourself.

Calicoe:

You moan about Poland's tragic history

LOL ! Butty is German and he rather doesn't do that. Your assumption is simply Polonophobic.

Calicoe:

even bigger genocide for thousands of years.

Which ?? Whites had hardly any contacts with blacks until about 17th century and with others (Mongols, Arabs, Turks etc.) mostly when they were invading Europe.

And in case of slavery/colonization etc. their were blacks selling their own people and controling them, how else do you think so few whites could keep so much land ?

Calicoe:

take a look at their aggregated (read useless) IQ scores. Not very impressive

Where ? In Russia or Ukraine ? It is about the same like in USA.

Calicoe:

Oh yeah - "white power", by a bunch of primitives - what a joke.

What are you talking about ? No one (OK, maybe vast majority...) says that white supremacism is good, the point is that black or islamic supremacism isn't better but somehow It is treated in a much different way.

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Aug 24, 08, 09:18 #135

Getting back to the concern of how I'm ever going to fit in as a Catholic in a Jewish family...last night I went to another family get together thanks to the invitation of my fiance where I was the only non-jewish female. Every time I go to these "get togethers" I am always bombarded later with my facts being twisted when submitted to the parents of my fiance by mostly the women who attend. Also, when I introduce myself to them they ask me a million questions including where I live, if I attended college, what I do for a living, etc. Since I'm proud to I put myself through college to achieve a respectable position I tell them what I do for a living (but I DON'T BRAG). A part of me is wondering if they're questionning me to see if I good enough for the family. I am never introduced at the family get togethers. My own family would never let my fiance be treated this way or even listen to this nonsense. Anyways, I'm mostly afraid that my relationship is "doomed" because my fiance thinks I'm overreacting & just need to not care about his family acceptance but yet he is around them 24/7. This is not the first time I felt rejected by a Jewish family. I pride myself in getting along with any family because I value family so much (that's why I'm on this site to learn about my own ancestory). Oh, by the way, I live in South Florida (not Alabama as someone thought on my previous comment) but there is still a lot of ignorant people around even though most hail from New York. You would think the area would be use to acceptance of diversity by now but there is still a stigma about Catholics and Jewish people mingling. Is there anywhere I can move where this is more tolerated? I know my fiance would be more open to that, he wants to get out of here because he believes it's full of ruthless people. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Aug 24, 08, 09:22 #136

Calicoe:

What have you to be proud of besides being born? Anything? Can you think? Do you have FACTS on the propaganda you wave around.

-- Go visit places like South Africa; this will give you idea of why someone might be pride of being white. It’s the horde of blacks attacking borders of EU right now not vice versa. They whined for years about white man ruling them, but guess what - the black man ruling them is much worst…
BB has a point. Jewish invented political correctness and with it neutered societies of Western Civ. Have no place of existence, they are too decadent.

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Aug 24, 08, 09:28 #137

Bratwurst Boy:

Calicoe:

What is the source, date, and data sample of the IQ chart you posted?

URL

URL

IQ and the Wealth of Nations

URL

Right, as I was saying about your sources, both above, and the following:

"The figures were obtained by taking unweighted averages of different IQ tests. The number of studies is very limited; the IQ figure is based on one study in 34 nations, two studies in 30 nations. There were actual tests for IQ in 81 nations. In 104 of the world's nations there were no IQ studies at all and IQ was estimated based on IQ in surrounding nations.[28] The number of participants in each study was usually limited, often numbering under a few hundred. The exceptions to this were the United States and Japan, for which studies using more than several thousand participants are available."

"Studies that were averaged together often used different methods of IQ testing, different scales for IQ values and/or were done decades apart. IQ in children is different although correlated with IQ later in life and many of the studies tested only young children."

"There are also errors in the raw data presented by authors. The results from Vinko Buj's 1981 study of 21 European cities and the Ghanaian capital Accra used different scaling from Lynn and Vanhanen's. A comparison of the reported to actual data from only a single study found 5 errors in 19 reported IQ scores.[36][37]"

Some people just need to believe .... anything!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Aug 24, 08, 09:30 #138
Show me some other tests then...one which points to the contrary...I'm waiting!

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Aug 24, 08, 09:32 #139

Grzegorz_:

Calicoe:

it is not even straight data, but estimations

And what do you expect ? IQ test for each and every person ?

Calicoe:

by force, slavery, colonization, segregation and Jim Crow, and manipulation.

Christ... There's no a nation in the world, which wasn't conquered, humiliated etc. Not so long ago most of European nations didn't even have their own country and in America many European immigrants were treated like 2nd class people until the beginning of 20th century.

Calicoe:

Learn history, and not just your selected version of it.

Do that yourself.

No, I'm talking about reputable and scientific data, not a thinly veiled "estimate" and "comparison for racist propaganda.

On your second point about history, that is true. However, if you are going to make comparative points about other groups and "victimizations and entitlements", it has to be a full and detailed comparison to arrive at any rigor of objectivity and analysis.

And on your third point, I'll be back later to discuss just how much you and I know about history.

Bye - I'll be back. ;)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 24, 08, 09:35 #140
Calicoe: No, I'm talking about reputable and scientific data, not a thinly veiled "estimate" and "comparison for racist propaganda. What's racist on such a study? How can science be racist? Is the fact that whites come out on top racist? Well...in the world league they come AFTER some Asians...is that racist too? Or is the fact that Blacks come in last the bone of contention? LOL

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Edited by: Calicoe Aug 24, 08, 09:37 #141

Bratwurst Boy:

Show me some other tests then...one which points to the contrary...I'm waiting!

There is no standardized test that has been equally administered and designed across age, sample size, content, culture, and peerage because it doesn't exist. Even the original intent of IQ tests were manipulated and misused by the elite in England to bar entry of the lower classes to the institutions that concentrated the status quo.

You are going to have to think outside of the box on this one I'm afraid, which white supremacist dogma doesn't train you to do.

Only a clear and detailed survey of history, methodology, and science, from many different angles is going to give you a balanced world view and analytical judgment.

Have you been to university yet?

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 24, 08, 09:39 #142

Calicoe:

There is no standardized test that has been equally administered and designed across age, sample size, content, culture, and peerage because it doesn't exist. Even the original intent of IQ tests were manipulated and misused by the elite in England to bar entry of the lower classes to the institutions that concentrated the status quo.

Blah...there are enough tests made for decades now. The methodes being refined more and more.
Don't try to sell me the actual tests are made to mollycoddle Asians or Europeans!

Is that above slogan "supremacist" to you and if so, why?

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Aug 24, 08, 09:41 #143

Bratwurst Boy:

What's racist on such a study?
How can science be racist? Is the fact that whites come out on top racist? Well...in the world league they come AFTER some Asians...is that racist too?
Or is the fact that Blacks come in last the bone of contention?

Go back and read the very scientific analyses of the study. It didn't measure up to objective scientific standards and would've received a C- in any statistical data class.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 24, 08, 09:44 #144

Calicoe:

Go back and read the very scientific analyses of the study. It didn't measure up to objective scientific standards and would've received a C- in any statistical data class

Either the scientists are racists, faking and manipulating these tests to kick Blacks or
the studies are just worthless in your eyes...

Interesting!

Tell me...what do you think of IQ tests in general...often children get already tested for skills and talents? Probably all stupid too, right....

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Edited by: Calicoe Aug 24, 08, 09:49 #145

WayOutWest:

Calicoe:

What have you to be proud of besides being born? Anything? Can you think? Do you have FACTS on the propaganda you wave around.

-- Go visit places like South Africa; this will give you idea of why someone might be pride of being white. It’s the horde of blacks attacking borders of EU right now not vice versa. They whined for years about white man ruling them, but guess what - the black man ruling them is much worst…
BB has a point. Jewish invented political correctness and with it neutered societies of Western Civ. Have no place of existence, they are too decadent.

As I said, you need to think rather than react. Please go back and do a cursory survey of the ancient history and early statehood of European nations. In addition, you will need to combine that with the history of colonization. As I recall, Ireland is also a white nation, and have only recently started to recover in their own right from English colonization.

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Bratwurst quote: "Either the scientists are racists, faking and manipulating these tests to kick Blacks or
the studies are just worthless in your eyes..."

As I said, go back to former Ireland and other white nations with unequal educational systems due to Jim Crow or colonization, and you will see the same thing. You can even go back and look at poor whites who have been used as a token of corporate takeover and slavery. You can look at the results of present day poor whites in Appalachia, West Virginia and Kentucky, and you will see the same exact thing. And then white supremacists go in and tell them it is because of the black man, lol. They then simply become the pawns of someone else. A full and unbiased education with critical thinking and a thorough world view is the only answer.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Aug 24, 08, 10:15 #146
Calicoe: As I said, go back to former Ireland and other white nations with unequal educational systems due to Jim Crow or colonization, and you will see the same thing. See what ? Ireland is one of the richest countries in the world.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Aug 24, 08, 10:20 #147
Grzegorz_: Ireland is one of the richest countries in the world. Our Lord Jesus Christ granted them with prosperity, for constant resistance to their oppresores

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 24, 08, 10:20 #148

Calicoe:

As I said, go back to former Ireland and other white nations with unequal educational systems due to Jim Crow or colonization, and you will see the same thing. You can even go back and look at poor whites who have been used as a token of corporate takeover and slavery. You can look at the results of present day poor whites in Appalachia, West Virginia and Kentucky, and you will see the same exact thing. And then white supremacists go in and tell them it is because of the black man, lol. They then simply become the pawns of someone else. A full and unbiased education with critical thinking and a thorough world view is the only answer.

I actually don't know what you want to say!
Did anyone ever say there have never been poor whites?
Did anyone ever say there have never been poor, destroyed, white countries???

What is your point?

And instead of talking so much with an imagined white supremacist it would be nice if you start talking to the board...

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Aug 24, 08, 10:23 #149
Bratwurst Boy: I actually don't know what you want to say! Me too...

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Edited by: Calicoe Aug 24, 08, 10:28 #150

Bratwurst Boy:

I actually don't know what you want to say!
Did anyone ever say there have never been poor whites?
Did anyone ever say there have never been poor, destroyed, white countries???

What is your point?

My point is to point out the fallacy of a single-point data set, interpreted and used with a single track argument, which all of the facts, critiques, and historical comparisons bear out.

edit added:

"Bratwurst Boy:

I actually don't know what you want to say!

Me too..." end quote.

No, I think it's just that you don't know WHAT to say, once you are confronted with critical analysis, critique of methodology, multiple variables, and an unbiased rendering of history. I think you have been victimized by so much propaganda, that you really don't know how to think. But, it is not too late.

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