Poland, Media, Anarchists protest NATO meeting in Krakow

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Mar 31, 09, 21:48 #1

Poland, Media, Anarchists protest NATO meeting in Krakow

Date Thu, 19 Feb 2009
http://www.ainfos.ca/en/ainfos22243.html

As a two-day informal meeting of ministers of defence from NATO countries gets underway in the city of Krakow, southern Poland today, anarchists and other ‘anti-war’ organisations hope to use the occasion to protest against ‘NATO hypocrisy’.

In a darkened apartment in Kraków’s Kazimierz district, the Anarchist Federation invited members of the press, Wednesday, to explain what exactly they are planning for the “anti-summit”: a protest against the informal meet of NATO defence ministers taking place in Poland’s southern city on 19-20 February. ---- “I will make speeches, I will scream, I will sing: we will see what happens”, Artur, head of the anarchist march in Kraków, told thenews.pl.

That`s the spirit Poles! Down with NATO!

CenowskiThreads: - Posts: 122 Joined: Mar 30, 09 ♂	Mar 31, 09, 23:20 #2
I agree down with Nato.....but anarchists are morons, they want country with no state rule, males no sense, nothing ever exsisted like that unless was when was cave people with no ideas or brains working

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Mar 31, 09, 23:32 #3
Cenowski: but anarchists are morons well, could be But, you must admit that it is sad that modern day Poland must rely on morons while official Poland collaborates with mujaheedines

CenowskiThreads: - Posts: 122 Joined: Mar 30, 09 ♂	Mar 31, 09, 23:33 #4
why so? there are plenty of groups other than the babies who grafftii anarchy a's on walls and do some rally now and again.... by the way nice pic of Tesla

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Apr 1, 09, 01:30 #5
Cenowski: by the way nice pic of Tesla oh, thank you

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Feb 20, 10, 14:21 #6

You can see that many countries get little back. Georgia felt cheated that NATO allowed Russia to waltz on in in Aug 2008. Poland felt cheated that the visa waiver wasn't lifted. America just wants to profit from them, it really couldn't care less for their wellbeing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paS1-ee-5cU, this is what I'm watching at the moment. The leader, Kreisler, is a very well-educated man. He is interviewing Baer, a former CIA-op. Baer says it all, NATO wants a purpose and will create a purpose for itself whether morally right or otherwise.

Some people just need to sit back and smell the coffee/roses. Oh, I forgot, that doesn't bring profit ;) ;) (which he admitted was the sole driving force)

FroutopiaThreads: 1 Posts: 5 Joined: Feb 18, 11 ♀	Feb 18, 11, 12:06 #7
You have no idea about anarchism.Idiots ..The worst is that all of you think that you know..Read Malatesta and then speak as humans

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 18, 11, 13:05 #8
Froutopia: You have no idea about anarchism.Idiots ..The worst is that all of you think that you know..Read Malatesta and then speak as humans Exactly. Anarchism means different things to different people, none of them to do with scruffy students protesting about things.

peterwegThreads: 30 Posts: 1,445 Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂	Feb 18, 11, 13:16 #9
Seanus: You can see that many countries get little back. Georgia felt cheated that NATO allowed Russia to waltz on in in Aug 2008. WTF has Georgia got to do with NATO, it isn't a member. Not likely to be allowed to become one with its habit of starting wars and the fact that its a dictatorship.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,148 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂	Feb 18, 11, 13:23 #10
peterweg: WTF has Georgia got to do with NATO, it isn't a member. Not likely to be allowed to become one with its habit of starting wars and the fact that its a dictatorship. Hear hear! The Georgians attacked the Ossets first. Russia acted honorably and saved our Sarmatian brothers from a Zionist armed gang of idiots beloved by American neo-conservative scumbags.

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Edited by: Crow Feb 18, 11, 17:01 #11

Des Essientes:

Hear hear! The Georgians attacked the Ossets first. Russia acted honorably and saved our Sarmatian brothers from a Zionist armed gang of idiots beloved by American neo-conservative scumbags.

The great truth had been said here. Every Slavic government has responsibility and obligation to support pro-Slavic oriented or Slavic-friendly democratic regimes, to keep control over the as much as possible what was/is Sarmatian/Scythian/Thracian (read Proto Slavic) realm since time immemorial.

Poland and Ukraine should support Russia in this matter and opposite, Russia should support rightful and democratic expansion of Poland to the west.

Poland, Ukraine and Russia are democratic beacon of light for human rights of numerous enslaved Europeans.

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Feb 18, 11, 17:24 #12

Cenowski:

anarchists are morons, they want country with no state rule, males no sense, nothing ever exsisted like that unless was when was cave people with no ideas or brains working

This is not true. The early Slavs live in redistributional communes called mir. Anarchy was much more recent for Poles than "cavemen" times. Read Edward Gibbon on the Sclavonians and their refusal to be governed. And for an example of what a modern Anarchist society would look like please read Ursula Leguin's novel The Dispossessed.

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Feb 18, 11, 23:53 #13

Des Essientes:

Anarchy was much more recent for Poles than "cavemen" times. Read Edward Gibbon on the Sclavonians and their refusal to be governed. And for an example of what a modern Anarchist society would look like please read Ursula Leguin's novel The Dispossessed.

Good to see people understand and be informed about anarchism and its whole practise and theory..the only way to free our mind,thus our society:No border,no nation,no abuse,no govermnent,no sexism,no racism,no god,no authority,no police,no canibalism,no prisons,no discrimination,no persecusion......

Hasta la muerte

*check what is happening in arabic and african world NOW,if you want more recent exemples

REVENGE (for thousands years of suppresion)

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Edited by: Crow Feb 19, 11, 01:11 #14

Froutopia:

anarchism

on the other side, as we all know, Proto Slavs (Sarmatians) gave fundaments to the modern democracy and civilization- `Sarmatism`

Civilization does not negate freedom. Our early Slavic ancestors were aware of it. It is the other question that some people (minority) abuse instruments of society to impose their will on others (majority). After all, minority may manage to instrumentalize majority even in anarchy. It is human nature that is imperfect, not civilization/democracy.

in this particular example, NATO is foreign force that impose will of foreigners on Poles. That`s how NATO must be recognized, not as instrument of democracy, even less as defender of Poles.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Edited by: Mr Grunwald Feb 20, 11, 00:54 #15
Froutopia: REVENGE (for thousands years of suppresion) I wouldn't even shed a tear if you got hanged or "supressed" Crow: on the other side, as we all know, Proto Slavs (Sarmatians) gave fundaments to the modern democracy and civilization- `Sarmatism` That should hint you from quoting such morons

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Feb 20, 11, 03:33 #16

in this particular example, NATO is foreign force that impose will of foreigners on Poles. That`s how NATO must be recognized, not as instrument of democracy, even less as defender of Poles.

I'm curious if you can give some specific examples of what NATO is imposing or has imposed upon the Poles. If you could send some links (in English please, I don't know Polish yet) I would love to read about it. Just to give me a better understanding of the role that NATO play's half way across the globe. (I'm an American)

Also, as an American I must sadly say that given our current leadership any treaty, agreement, or obligation that we may have with NATO means nothing. You Poles and everyone else in NATO are on your own.

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Edited by: Crow Feb 20, 11, 04:22 #17

Dande:

I'm curious if you can give some specific examples of what NATO is imposing or has imposed upon the Poles. If you could send some links (in English please, I don't know Polish yet) I would love to read about it.

i would give you. Wait

Dande:

. Just to give me a better understanding of the role that NATO play's half way across the globe.

exactly. NATO operates globally. What Poland has with it and from it its quite questionable.

Dande:

I'm an American

o? my ancestors spent some time in America but they never evolved enough to become Americans.

Dande:

Also, as an American I must sadly say that given our current leadership any treaty, agreement, or obligation that we may have with NATO means nothing. You Poles and everyone else in NATO are on your own.

please, don`t be upset and don`t be angry at Poles because of my stance. i`m not Polish. i mean, i am Polish patriot... what else i can be as a Serbian.

Do you understand now? Who else can be brave enough to dare to openly criticize NATO?

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Feb 20, 11, 05:54 #18

i would give you. Wait

That's fine. I don't expect you to have them instantly.

exactly. NATO operates globally. What Poland has with it and from it its quite questionable.

I question NATO as well. I thought the cold war was over. Sure, Russia could not be made a Saint today, but is it a main stream idea in Europe to think Russia wants to start another war?

o? my ancestors spent some time in America but they never evolved enough to become Americans.

It's not nice to insult your ancestors.

please, don`t be upset and don`t be angry at Poles because of my stance. i`m not Polish. i mean, i am Polish patriot... what else i can be as a Serbian.

I am upset with neither Pole nor Serbian. It's quite the opposite. I'm disappointed in the fact that America would currently not support Pole, Serbian, or any other NATO member. We are not the freedom loving people that once fought against the Soviets. But every couple years we have elections and try to make up for our mistakes. That's where we eventually shine.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 20, 11, 07:13 #19

Froutopia:

the only way to free our mind,thus our society:No border,no nation,no abuse,no govermnent,no sexism,no racism,no god,no authority,no police,no canibalism,no prisons,no discrimination,no persecusion......

Yeah...and everybody who doesn't want to live in your world get's declared an enemy and fighted/killed.

Thanks but no thanks!

Nay-sayers never build anything, they are only for destruction of our society without an alternative (no (insert everything) is no alternative)!
Get lost!

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Feb 20, 11, 10:10 #20

Froutopia:

Good to see people understand and be informed about anarchism and its whole practise and theory..the only way to free our mind,thus our society:No border,no nation,no abuse,no govermnent,no sexism,no racism,no god,no authority,no police,no canibalism,no prisons,no discrimination,no persecusion......

Yeah and faeries live at the bottom of my garden and Jesus wants me for a sunbeam

I think Fruitloop would be a better name for you

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,148 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂	Feb 20, 11, 11:21 #21
Mr Grunwald: That should hint you from quoting such morons With "English" like this Mr Grunwald proves his expertise in moronism. Bratwurst Boy: Yeah...and everybody who doesn't want to live in your world get's declared an enemy and fighted/killed. Who will declare such people to be enemies when there is no government to do so? Don't construct a straw man out of fear and call it anarchism.

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Feb 20, 11, 14:35 #22

Bratwurst Boy:

Nay-sayers never build anything, they are only for destruction of our society without an alternative (no (insert everything) is no alternative)!
Get lost!

You are completely out of the point because you speak without knowing history.Search for communes like Christiannia in Denmark Or Zapatistas in Mexico to see if there is alternative suggestion after destruction,not even after destruction,it is NOW along with opposing to the system and terrorism.

Daisy:

Yeah and faeries live at the bottom of my garden and Jesus wants me for a sunbeam

It is that you like to live in this ******* system with borders and racism this is why people like you ,Daisy and Bratwurst boy, do nothing to change anything ..To be antisexist is not for fairies,it is every day life,the way you treat your husband or wife..Antios amigos, I am used to prove solidarity and anarchy in every thought that I make,in every demonstration that I participate in.When world changes you never understand who and why because others deside for you.

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Feb 20, 11, 14:56 #23

Froutopia:

It is that you like to live in this ******* system with borders and racism this is why people like you ,Daisy and Bratwurst boy, do nothing to change anything ..To be antisexist is not for fairies,it is every day life,the way you treat your husband or wife..Antios amigos, I am used to prove solidarity and anarchy in every thought that I make,in every demonstration that I participate in.When world changes you never understand who and why because others deside for you.

Save that speech for Utopia, when all the prison and high security asylums have been closed and people are free to roam with no police, no borders, no protection....It may well be you last words as one of your fellow beings you have just liberated slits your throat for the change in your pocket

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 20, 11, 15:07 #24

Des Essientes:

Who will declare such people to be enemies when there is no government to do so?

As if Anarchos/Terrorists need a government to declare others as enemies who have to be destroyed!
(All for the good cause of course)

In Germany they are called the "black bloc" because of their uniform of black clothes and hidden behind black baclavas (how brave of them!)

Easy to spot for their trail of destroyed windows, burned cars and hurt police men wherever they go...

Froutopia:

It is that you like to live in this

Well yeah...even if not perfect and with warts and all this system is quite nice and I wish to keep it that way.
Oh and I wish that you respect my wish....please stop to abuse me, to mistreat me, to threaten me and to hurt me, thank you! :)
Who would want to live in a world where people like that have anything to say???

But if you really want to live in your anarcho-world why not get yourself an island far away without people where you can be king! :):):)

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,859 Joined: Aug 6, 09 MEMBER ♂	Feb 20, 11, 15:49 #25
my understanding is that NATO was created in response to Warsaw pact and since the communist pact ended the NATO should have ended but it was left to terrorized Serbia and Arab world.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,148 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂	Feb 20, 11, 15:53 #26
Bratwurst Boy: Anarchos/Terrorists Anarchists are not terrorists just because you are scared of them Herr Knecht.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 20, 11, 16:00 #27

Des Essientes:

Anarchists are not terrorists just because you are scared of them Herr Knecht.

Yeah...and Nazis aren't bad only because they wanted to kill all Jews!
If it looks like a duck, squawks like a duck, walks like a duck...

People who go in masses out in the streets, wearing uniforms, destroying property of people they dogmatically see as enemies and threaten to destroy my society are TERRORISTS!

Oh and this "Knecht" has still the army and police behind him...it's not him who should be scared! ;)
But sadly the same democratic basic rights in this society you so detest guarantees you your prolonged existence and even the right to gather and wreak havoc and no easy, painless neck shot...

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07 ♀	Feb 20, 11, 16:10 #28
Does anyone remember this nutjob Sobottka

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Feb 20, 11, 16:17 #29
Daisy: Does anyone remember this nutjob Sobottka yeah...oh boy... ;)

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Feb 20, 11, 16:17 #30
Daisy: Does anyone remember this nutjob Sobottka Sobottk: Whaer a human being is acting wrong it needs to be disciplined, You could say educated. To bring s.o. into hospital because of spoken words only is really not a right mean Sobottka: Winfried Sobottka, a speaker of Anarchists in Austria and in FRG. Batshit crazy!

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