Poland needs four children per family for sustain survivor and development

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 31, 10, 12:40 #1
Poland, same as all Slavic countries need at least four children per family for sustain survivor and development. Think about it. just to tell you.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 12:43 #2
How can there be 'development' when you have 4 mouths to feed, Crow? When you have 4 little kids to clothe and to buy toys for? What does 'development' mean here, Crow?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 12:43 #3
Crow: Poland, same as all Slavic countries need at least four children per family for sustain survivor and development. Think about it. Poland needs less people and better use of its resources. There isn't exactly a labor shortage at the moment...

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 12:46 #4
crow, it's actually true for all of the "developed" world.. we are really regressing and the less "developed" are taking over.. convex: Poland needs less people and better use of its resources. kind of but overall sustainability depends on population growth, not decline and that is what's going on, as per above

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Jul 31, 10, 12:50 #5

Crow:

ll Slavic countries need at least four children per family for sustain survivor and development.

So why are you posting on the internet all the time, instead of making babies with Mrs Crow?

Seriously, the low European birthrate contrasts sharply with that in other parts of the world - where there is economic inequality, this is inevitable.

What Poland (and most other developed countries) needs is better childcare provision, more chances for working women to take career breaks and have time off work without jeopardising their career and cheaper (or free) higher education (remember the eighties?).

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 12:57 #6
plk123: kind of but overall sustainability depends on population growth, not decline and that is what's going on, as per above common breeder myth. less people isn't a bad thing and doesn't lead to dying out.

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 12:58 #7
Crow: Poland, same as all Slavic countries need at least four children per family for sustain survivor and development. where are these facts coming from? Did you do any research or did you just make an assumption. Crow: Think about it. I will ;)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Edited by: plk123 Jul 31, 10, 13:19 #8
convex: common breeder myth. less people isn't a bad thing and doesn't lead to dying out. well, definitely leads to weakening if not dying out.. fall in population is unsustainable,, Czarnkow1940: where are these facts coming from? Did you do any research or did you just make an assumption. it's true however i am not sure if 4 is the magic number but it could be.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 13:24 #9
plk123: well, definitely leads to weakening if not dying out.. fall in population is unsustainable,, It'll just fall to a level that is more in balance with the available resources. If you need proof of this, visit a Polish school or hospital.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Jul 31, 10, 13:27 #10
sustained survival think evolution

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 13:28 #11
right in regards to some resources but not financially.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 13:32 #12
plk123: right in regards to some resources but not financially. more resources means that you can invest in things like better education instead of trying to educate the masses at a subpar level. allows you to work smarter, not harder. concentrates wealth and resources, instead of dispersing it ever thinner.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 13:36 #13
but now we're starting to have less people trying to sustain more old foggies.. it's gonna be a ***** in a decade or two.. but eventually things will improve once again.. except the problem with the 3rd world, less educated, etc. folks taking over..

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 13:45 #14
Which is the problem with ponzi retirement schemes. 3rd world will not take over. Enforce border and immigration controls. Next.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 13:48 #15
convex: Which is the problem with ponzi retirement schemes. yup convex: 3rd world will not take over. Enforce border and immigration controls. Next. poland is still in a good spot but the western europe is in trouble..

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 31, 10, 13:50 #16
sorry, i would come back later. i have training how to make children ;)

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 13:51 #17
Crow: i have training how to make children ;) Online training at Youporn.cum?

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Edited by: plk123 Jul 31, 10, 13:52 #18
training isn't going to do anything for this issue? you need to step up to the game instead.. ;) :D ShawnH: Online training at Youporn.cum? oooh, what a waste.. lol

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Jul 31, 10, 13:55 #19

What Crow suggests is going back to the old days when ppl used to have 10 or more kids as a retirement plan. Most kids wouldn't survive past their first year, so the more kids you have, the more chances were that you'd have a few kids to take care of you when you got to old to work yourself.

I don't think this scenario is necessary in modern-day Poland. Think medical improvement, resources and so on.

>^..^<

M-G (heck)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 14:05 #20
MareGaea: I don't think this scenario is necessary in modern-day Poland. Think medical improvement, resources and so on. no but it is "needed" to keep up with said ponzi scheme of retirement..

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Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Jul 31, 10, 14:13 #21

convex:

Poland needs less people and better use of its resources. There isn't exactly a labor shortage at the moment...

What Poland needs is better use of its resources. Not more people. A rapid increase in population would increase the unemployment rate.

Poland also needs a stronger economic growth to get tax-money to welfare. Many hospitals (including "mine") have extremely big economic problems now.

More small companies and increase their incitement to hire 1 more person. If every small company would hire only 1 more person, the tax-money that can be used for welfare would be taken to a whole new level. And the expensive unemployment would decrease a lot.

However, in a longer time perspective, more young people are needed to manage the pensions. This is one of the biggest economical problem in many Western countries. Too many old people, and too few young ones. An economists nightmare.

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Edited by: convex Jul 31, 10, 14:14 #22

plk123:

no but it is "needed" to keep up with said ponzi scheme of retirement..

Which is why anyone that doesn't support the breeders would be committing political suicide.

SzwedwPolsce:

More small companies and increase their incitement to hire 1 more person. If every small company would hire only 1 more person, the tax-money that can be used for welfare will would be taken to a whole new level. And the expensive unemployment would decrease a lot.

Absolutely.

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 14:21 #23
convex: Which is why anyone that doesn't support the breeders would be committing political suicide. Not sure about where you are, but in Canada, the political types pay attention to the seniors, because they come out in numbers to vote. Those in the younger demographics seem to suffer from political apathy, and so can seemingly be treated like sheep.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Edited by: MareGaea Jul 31, 10, 14:33 #24
plk123: ponzi scheme Maybe the Ponzi scheme would be a great idea to pump up Serbia's ailing economy? >^..^< M-G (heck yeah)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Jul 31, 10, 14:41 #25
szwed's right on.. shawn, it's exactly the same deal in usa.. young'ens are dumb and non active, for the most part..

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 31, 10, 16:08 #26
then, tell me... why USA, Canada, Australia,... or even France, Britain, Germany,... support immigration and needs new settlers? Poland don`t need new settlers? no need for more Poles? Poles, Poles... when would you learn?

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Jul 31, 10, 16:12 #27

Crow:

then, tell me... why USA, Canada, Australia,... or even France, Britain, Germany,... support immigration and needs new settlers? Poland don`t need new settlers? no need for more Poles?

Because they need to enslave ever more working people to pay for their communist social security schemes.

Poland needs to go to private pensions invested in Polish companies, not state bureaucracy.

Poland doesn't need even more unskilled people with hungry mouths to feed.

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Edited by: Crow Jul 31, 10, 16:18 #28

convex:

Poland doesn't need even more unskilled people with hungry mouths to feed.

why hungry?

don`t tell me that there is not enough food in Poland for less then 40 mil citizens there? if so, the go on streets and protest against your incompetent and corrupt politicians

and, don`t buy that crap about EU if your pro-EU politicians can`t provide even food for 40 mil. Poles. Look (!), Germany has more then 80 mouths and wants more

God. Is it possible that just about everything Poles on this forum needs to learn from Serbs?

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Jul 31, 10, 16:21 #29

Crow:

don`t tell me that there is not enough food in Poland for less then 40 mil citizens there? if so, the go on streets and protest against your incompetent and corrupt politicians

Poland isn't a communist nanny state. Breeding makes for hungry mouths, which requires work to feed them. The education system here is in such dire shape, that people graduate with no work skills and end up working some crappy job. The majority of the people with large families can barely take care of them.

I hear that about Serbs quite a bit, addicted to that socialism...

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 31, 10, 16:25 #30
i see Poland urgently needs economy and state organization that can support increased birth rate. Then, as soon as possible, state needs to stimulate young people to have minimum four children per family

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