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Polskiej_DumyThreads: 26 Posts: 69 Joined: Oct 8, 09 ♂	Oct 23, 09, 01:05 #1
Does Poland and the Polish people support Palestine or Israel?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 23, 09, 01:06 #2
Some support Palestine and some support Israel. The Polish government supports the Israeli government more than the people do, I'd say. There are many Jews in PO.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 23, 09, 01:28 #3
Polskiej_Dumy: Does Poland and the Polish people support Palestine or Israel? There's no one position, our Goverment recognizes Israel (though doesnt necceserily support it).

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 23, 09, 01:53 #4
Well, I think Netanyahu will prove to create a rupture of sorts. A storm is brewing and Tusk will find him an awkward customer, unlike Olmert whom Tusk struck a chord with for the most part. The hardliner Likudists will sour the milk and will pose hard questions for the allegiance of Poland to Israel.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Oct 23, 09, 02:37 #5
Unlike Norway, Poland is very neutral

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,739 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Oct 23, 09, 08:26 #6
Slightly off topic, but the Polish government clearly stated the other day that it will not get involved in any attacks on Iran.

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Oct 23, 09, 11:15 #7
Personally: I wish they would finally agree for a two-state solution. Generally: both countries are far, far away and don't like us at all, so why should Poles care what happens to them? We care more about the countries where our army is currently stationed.

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,103 Joined: Jan 22, 07 ♂	Oct 23, 09, 12:07 #8
i think the solution is located somewhere in monty pythons "meaning of life".

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Oct 24, 09, 10:24 #9
Polskiej_Dumy: Does Poland and the Polish people support Palestine or Israel? I can't speak for all Polish people, but I am and always was 100% pro-Israel.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 24, 09, 16:04 #10
Seanus: and will pose hard questions for the allegiance of Poland to Israel. And will not get definite questions, ever. If there's one thing i approve of is that our goverment is remaining neutral in this mess and Israel does not have enough leverage to get our govt to give definite answers so hardline Jews may b*tch a lot but thats about it.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,521 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 18:47 #11
Polskiej_Dumy: Does Poland and the Polish people support Palestine or Israel? The Polish government supports and co-operates with the State of Israel...As far as the Polish people go, I could not speak for them, but I suspect most do not care one way or the other.

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Nov 5, 09, 19:35 #12

vetala:

Generally: both countries are far, far away and don't like us at all, so why should Poles care what happens to them?

Why do you think Israelis don't like Poland? There are historical issues about Polish-Jewish relations in Poland before and during the war, but there's no bad feeling here against modern poland. Ask any Polish tourist in Israel if people were hostile. I personally love any Pole that comes to visit my country...

Except maybe Sokrates.
But I don't see him coming any time soon.

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,104 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Nov 5, 09, 20:03 #13
yehudi: but there's no bad feeling here against modern poland. You won't fool us. At least half of the Polonophobic comments and publications in the web, media etc. comes from Jews.

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Edited by: Torq Nov 5, 09, 20:11 #14

Grzegorz_:

At least half of the Polonophobic comments and publications in the web, media etc. comes from Jews.

...and the other half from stonemasons and cyclists *rolls eyes*

In all fairness there are probably some people in Israel who don't like Poland
(and vice versa) but I've seen many more derogatory statements about Poland
and Poles coming from Americans and the British than from Jews.

Anyway - a person who makes a derogatory statement about someone based
only on his/her nationality is to be pitied. There are retards like that in every
country but luckily they are just a sad minority.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 5, 09, 20:12 #15
yehudi: There are historical issues about Polish-Jewish relations in Poland before and during the war You mean how Jews served for Soviets killing Poles and Israel keeps denying that? yehudi: but there's no bad feeling here against modern poland. Which is why your goverment issues pamphlets that tell your children that Poland worked with the Nazis. Also its Poland.

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Edited by: Torq Nov 5, 09, 20:16 #16

Sokrates:

You mean how Jews served for Soviets killing Poles and Israel keeps denying that?

Why should Israel deny or confirm that? Those people weren't citizens of Israel
so the Jewish state can't be held responsible for their deeds.

Sokrates:

Which is why your goverment issues pamphlets that tell your children that Poland worked with the Nazis.

I find it hard to believe - do you have any links to confirm that, Sokrates?

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Nov 5, 09, 20:37 #17

Torq:

I find it hard to believe - do you have any links to confirm that, Sokrates?

As a matter of fact yes i do but you'll do better put this Będziemy nienawidzić ich z powodu udziału w zbrodniach into google, it translates into "we will hate them for their part in the crimes".

It was an official pamphlet by Israeli ministry of education which showed modern Poles as racists who actively wait to hurt any Jew present in Poland and preached outright hate towards any and every Pole, it was in every major media at the time, i find it strange that you didnt hear about that.

Torq:

Why should Israel deny or confirm that? Those people weren't citizens of Israel

Yes they were, many of them became citizens of Israel, Israel actively sheltered these criminals (see Solomon Morel) knowing full well about the extent of their crimes on Polish people but given Israeli policies it doesnt suprise me that the lives of thousands of Poles are not worth extradicting a single Jewish criminal.

Torq:

so the Jewish state can't be held responsible for their deeds.

The Jewish state granted them citizenship and sheltered them from justice, many of them actively engegaed in Israeli campaigns of anti-Polish hate publications so yes Israel is definitely to be held responsible.

And on the other hand with all the controversy around the racism towards Poland you get a "honest" Jew stating that:

yehudi:

no bad feeling here against modern poland.

So why the hate pamphlets? Why the racist comic books? Why the youth which acts extremely racist toward Poles when it comes down here from Israel? There's no problem right?

If Jews were affected Yehudi would be screaming for blood but when its Poles on the receiving end that filthy dishonest bastard sees "no bad feeling towards Poland" and all the nasty sh*t Israel does is by pure accident i bet.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Nov 5, 09, 20:43 #18
Hmm... I honestly don't know what to think of all this. I'll wait to see Yehudi's reply to that to see the Jewish point of view on these matters. It can't be that bad...

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Nov 5, 09, 20:55 #19

Torq:

Hmm... I honestly don't know what to think of all this. I'll wait to see Yehudi's reply

Yehudi already replied in the post "Jewish youth" his reply amounted to saying i'm sick hateful and running away, i doubt you'll see him adressing this directly, even maregea preferred to weasel away from this.

Torq:

It can't be that bad...

I'll dig up some Israeli comics about us, its very very bad, one comic you should be familiar with "Maus" portrays Poles as pigs but thats only a tip of the iceberg.

If Yehudi came here and said "there's some bad feeling" or "some people think this way and others this way" i could swallow that but claiming a country thats actively engaging in a racist policy towards Poland has no bad feelings towards us is a fat dirty lie.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,521 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: joepilsudski Nov 5, 09, 21:04 #20
Tusk Stands Here He thinks: 'Matki Bozej, at least they're not in Poland!'

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 5, 09, 22:03 #21
Where's the one of him with a turban? ;) ;)

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,859 Joined: Aug 6, 09 MEMBER ♂	Nov 5, 09, 23:16 #22
I support Israel and I support Palestinians I support two state solution 1. Israel needs to stop building illegal settlement 2. Israel needs to stop operating largest ghetto called occupied territory 3. Palestinians need to stop murdering jews 4. Palestinians need to recognize right to exist

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Nov 6, 09, 01:46 #23

Good points, Marek. Point 3, do more Israelis murder Palestinians or vice-versa? Look at the stats. I calculated that it'd take the Palestinians 60 years to kill as many Israelis as Israelis killed Palestinians in 3 weeks under Operation Cast Lead (based on the current rate of killing and available stats).

Tusk is a Jewish sympathiser. Ask Poles who support PiS, he'd sell out to Israel if the chips were down and the price was right.

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Nov 6, 09, 19:29 #24

WAAAAIT! It seems that unwittingly I started a new flame war!
When I said 'both countries don't like us at all' I didn't mean that they dislike us. I meant that they don't care about Poland more than about, say, Taiwan or Moldavia. And it was a statement about the general feelings in Poland, not my personal ones - personally I must admit that I like Israel more than Palestine, but I can't NOT be sympathetic to the situation of Palestinian people which is why I support the two-state solution. But generally Poles don't think much about the Middle East and we have too little in common with Israel to care about it. In fact, the only time we get news from Israel is when it bombs someone, when someone else threatens to bomb it or when another smartass calls us a 'cursed land of murderers' or something along those lines. It does not generate a good image but fortunately I don't form my image of the foreign countries based on press.
And I do plan on visiting Israel some day. If it doesn't get bombed that is.

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Nov 6, 09, 19:56 #25

Torq:

...and the other half from stonemasons and cyclists *rolls eyes*

Yawn... Check that yourself. Many Israeli news sites have English versions and message boards. Go type Poland into the search engineand read the comments.

Torq:

but I've seen many more derogatory statements about Poland
and Poles coming from Americans and the British than from Jews.

Have you ever checked who these "Americans" and "British" are ? Do you remember a recent case when some "British actor" was spreading Polonophobic crap ? Do you know what his religious background is ? I will help you a bit... he's not a Buddist.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,739 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Nov 6, 09, 20:17 #26
I have a one state solution. A football challange. The mother of all games, best out of 15, played on consecutive days. The winner takes all, the loser packs up for refugee camps in Montana and awaits adoption from a rich country. The whole world bets and the proceeds go to the happy winner. Unless you think that 50/50 are bad odds in this case. What are the odds now for a solution?

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Edited by: Torq Nov 6, 09, 20:21 #27

Grzegorz_:

Yawn... Check that yourself. Many Israeli news sites have English versions and message boards. Go type Poland into the search engineand read the comments.

I did check a couple of Israeli forums and news portals and didn't find anything spiteful.
Maybe you could provide some links? It should be easy if, as you say, there are so many
of those comments.

Grzegorz_:

Do you remember a recent case when some "British actor" was spreading Polonophobic crap ? Do you know what his religious background is ? I will help you a bit... he's not a Buddist.

You mean the idiot who said that Auschwitz was on the "Polish side of the border"
during WW2? :-) He's Jewish? So what? You can find idiots all too easily among
Jews, Christians, Atheists and Buddists. Idiocy knows no boundaries of religion
or nationality - it's omnipresent.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Nov 6, 09, 20:23 #28
Torq: I can't speak for all Polish people, but I am and always was 100% pro-Israel. Good man. Just so you know what type of creatures you are supporting........

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Nov 6, 09, 20:28 #29
RevokeNice: Good man. Just so you know what type of creatures you are supporting........ Are you anti-Israel, Harvey? That's another reason for me to support them. Do you hate Jews as much as you hate Poles, or maybe your hatred towards them isn't that big?

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	Edited by: time means Nov 6, 09, 20:28 #30
RevokeNice: Just so you know what type of creatures you are supporting And who do you support hezbollah? Jolly nice chaps! RN, RL wtfs going on?

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