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 Nov 8, 09, 13:04    #121
yehudi:
It was turned into a beautiful place by a lot of hard work by Jews during the past 130 or so years.

yehudi:
This country was not beautiful for the past many centuries.

It was beatifull for Arabs.
From the water you racist thieves steal from Palestinian people, you force them to live in squalor so you could have your gardens you hypocrit fvcks.
yehudi:
Thanks to them this country is a lot more desirable than it would have been.

Desirable to whom? The Jews who stole it from the rightfull owners or the Palestinians whom you condemn to thirst and hunger so you and your filthy kids and your filthy people could live in abundance at the expense of others?

God i'm happy people like you are gone from Poland.

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Edited by: sjam  Nov 8, 09, 13:56    #122
The Arabs first tried killing all the Jews 1948, in 1967 and again in 1973 but failed repeatedly losing ever more lives and land to the victorious Israeli armed forces. Maybe the Arabs thought that since the Jews had seemingly allowed themselves to be slaughered in the Holocaust and there were so few of them to kill it would be easy to kill the rest of them. How wrong this proved to be for the utterly destroyed Arab armies surrounding Israel :-)))

Today, the equally powerful Arabs nations sit on their hands powerless with fright to help the Palestinians? Or maybe they don't see the Palestinians cause as worth fighting and dying over?

Even Palestinians of Hamas and the Palsetinians of the PLO are busy mudering each other for... what? Control of aid monies?? Hezbolla are just cannabis dealing druglords based out of Lebanon what do they care for Palestinians?

Israel has 'The Bomb' (developed in collaboration with West Germany and South African technology and scientists) so it has might if not always right on its side :-))

Sokrates:
Desirable to whom? The Jews who stole it from the rightfull owners or the Palestinians whom you condemn to thirst and hunger so you and your filthy kids and your filthy people could live in abundance at the expense of others?

God i'm happy people like you are gone from Poland.

Still hiding your anti-semitic bile behind the pretence of concern for the Palestinians. What are you personally doing to alleviate the despearte plight of the Palestinian's you obviously care so passionately about??
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Edited by: still_wisher  Nov 8, 09, 13:57    #123
yehudi:
Every Jewish place that was taken over by Arabs lead to a massacre of Jewish civilians. This is because the entire purpose of the invasion by Egypt, TransJordan, Syria and Iraq was to physically wipe out the Jewish

Invasion by Egypt!!!hold it right here you stinky israeli!!! the Egyptians kicked your asses out of their lands ! it was'n invasion at all ! it was fight for rights kicking some rats out and cleaning the area ! and if israel will think to do that again in this time they probably will be wiped for good ..
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 8, 09, 14:08    #124
still_wisher: the Egyptians kicked your asses out of their lands

I think you will agree that in 1967 and 1973 the boot was on the other foot and has remained firmly in place ever since :-))

But keep wishing it is good to have a dream!
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Edited by: szkotja2007  Nov 8, 09, 14:20    #125
sjam:
The Arabs first tried killing all the Jews

No, they went to war with Israel - not all the Jews.

sjam:
Israeli armed forces.

Backed by the US, UK et al.

sjam:
Jews had seemingly allowed themselves to be slaughered in the Holocaust

Not forgetting the Zionists ( Irgun ) that supported Nazi Germany against the Allies.

sjam:
powerless with fright to help the Palestinians?

They are pouring $ Billions in to Gaza in aid and are influencing US/Israeli policy.

sjam:
Hezbolla are just cannabis dealing druglords based out of Lebanon

That have little influence in Palestine - true. But they do have a social programme and build hospitals and provide healthcare to the poor.
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Edited by: time means  Nov 8, 09, 14:29    #126
szkotja2007:
Backed by the US, UK et al.

Arabs supplied by the soviets.
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 Nov 8, 09, 14:43    #127
still_wisher:
Invasion by Egypt!!!hold it right here you stinky israeli!!! the Egyptians kicked your asses out of their lands !

Learn to read. In 1948 Egypt (and Syria, TransJordan and Iraq) invaded the newly declared independent state of Israel. It was not part of Egypt, it was part of the british mandate of palestine till then.

Sokrates:
you force them to live in squalor

Sokrates:
the Palestinians whom you condemn to thirst and hunger

Yeah, except that the palestinian arabs are not starving. They're not even hungry. Except for the ex-refugees that are forced by the palestinians to live in squalor to perpetuate the UN aid, most palestinian Arabs live quite decently. Here's a glimpse of how Arabs in jerusalem live, you can see similar scenes of Arabs shopping, eating in cafes and driving nice cars on any street in israel:
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2009/09/arabs-refute-big-lie-of-israeli. html
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 Nov 8, 09, 14:48    #128
yehudi:
Yeah, except that the palestinian arabs are not starving. They're not even hungry

Have you read the UN and Amnesty reports about the squalor racist pieces of sh*t that are you and your nation caused? You cut these people away from water so you can have your pretty desirable gardens, they cant farm, they cant drink because of JEWS.

Not because of other Palestinians but because of You, Your wife, Your children and the rest of your thieving murderous "people".
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 Nov 8, 09, 14:51    #129
Sokrates:
You cut these people away from water so you can have your pretty desirable gardens, they cant farm, they cant drink

Perhaps Poland should take them in?

Sokrates:
racist pieces of sh*t that

After a post like that how can you call anyone a racist. Take a look in the mirror mate.
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 Nov 8, 09, 14:53    #130
sjam:
The Arabs first tried killing all the Jews 1948, in 1967 and again in 1973

Of course they did!
Wouldn't everybody try to expell invading settlers??? Absolutely understandable...
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Edited by: time means  Nov 8, 09, 14:57    #131
Bratwurst Boy:
Wouldn't everybody try to expell invading settlers??? Absolutely understandable...

Does that apply now to the Turks(substititute for whatever nationality you want) in Germany then?
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Nov 8, 09, 15:00    #132
yehudi:
Here's a glimpse of how Arabs in jerusalem live, you can see similar scenes of Arabs shopping, eating in cafes and driving nice cars on any street in israel:

ziontruth.blogspot.com/2009/09/arabs-refute-big-lie-of-israeli

And contrary to your "source" Ziontruth a really glimpse into the daily life of Palis:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-10-27-israel-palestinians_N.ht m

...
Israelis use more than four times the amount of water per person on average than do Palestinians, whose consumption falls far below the minimum amount recommended by the World Health Organization, the report said.

The report especially focuses on the so-called Mountain Aquifer in the West Bank. It says that Israel uses more than 80% of water drawn from the aquifer and while the Jewish state has other water sources, the aquifer is the West Bank's sole supply of water.

As a result, the 450,000 Israelis who live in the West Bank and east Jerusalem use more water than the 2.3 million Palestinian residents,

How nice of you! What a wonderful country you are, worthy of all our respect and admiration!

Another more realistic look at the life of the Palis besides the generous and nice Israelis (outside of "Zion truth" of course)
http://www.thispalestinianlife.org/Film.php
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 Nov 8, 09, 15:03    #133
Bratwurst Boy:
Wouldn't everybody try to expell invading settlers??? Absolutely understandable...

Until 1948, as long as the country was ruled by the Ottomans and then the British, every inch of land lived on by Jews was bought and paid for. Then when we declared independence (and the palestinians decided not to) they and a few arab countries invaded us. And then we fought back. Like you say, wouldn't everybody try to expel invaders? Absolutely understandable.
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 Nov 8, 09, 15:04    #134
Bratwurst Boy:
What a wonderful country you are, worthy of all our respect and admiration!

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,634842,00.html
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Nov 8, 09, 15:05    #135
yehudi:
Then when we declared independence (and the palestinians decided not to) they and a few arab countries invaded us.

You can hardly invade your own land...they tried to get rid of you.
They will do it some day, so or so....support for you is waning rapidly. Your strongest lobby, the US, has other rising concerns...Millions of Jews world wide can't be arsed to make aliyah to strenghten your demography against the rising number of arabs, you have intellectual opinion against you as also those of most of the people on the streets..you are existing as a fortress amidst a sea of hate even dreaming of becoming a member of the European Union instead of joining a union with your direct neighbours, needing to join european contests as nobody from your neighbourhood can stand to play with you...every war and the pictures of even more killed pali kids lowers sympathy for you and support even further....your spirale is going downwards quick!

I give you 20 more years max!

....if you don't make a u-turn quick...


time means

And? This has to do with the topic exactly what???
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 Nov 8, 09, 15:06    #136
Bratwurst Boy:
And contrary to your "source" Ziontruth a really glimpse into the daily life of Palis:

Very good. You quoted Amnesty International, who is an openly anti-Israel organization and not at all objective. If you read further in the same article you'll see that "Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev called Amnesty's claims "completely ludicrous," and said Israel holds the legal right to the aquifer since it was the first to discover, develop and pump from it.

Regev said Israel pumps less water from the Mountain Aquifer today than it did in 1967, and Palestinian consumption of fresh water has actually tripled in that time.

He blamed the Palestinians for not investing in development in the West Bank and said they have failed even to drill wells that have already been approved."
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 Nov 8, 09, 15:09    #137
yehudi:
Amnesty International, who is an openly anti-Israel organization

True, can you tell us the reasons why ?
Also, do you have any pics of the Arab homes that are beiong bulldozed in East Jerusalem.

Bratwurst Boy:
This has to do with the topic exactly what??

Probably because it happened in Germany and the Irgun supported Germany in 1942.
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 Nov 8, 09, 15:11    #138
Bratwurst Boy:
And? This has to do with the topic exactly what???

I was just pointing out what a wonderful country you are, worthy of of all our respect.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Nov 8, 09, 15:12    #139
yehudi:
who is an openly anti-Israel organization and not at all objective.

Everybody becomes "openly anti-Israel" in nowadays jewish publications, isn't it?
Israel can't do wrong, right?
Does it never occur to you that all these masses of international criticism may have a healthy portion of truth? That you are becoming the pariah of the international community very quickly?

What will it take till you come out of your denial and accusing your criticizers of anti-semitism or anti-isralism or what not?

But it isn't only international voices, you are ignoring your own israeli warner too...one of the few sane voices is Larry Derfner who's columns in JP of all places are a truly hopeful sign but then just read the talk backs to his true words and how much hate and venom is spitted at his direction...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256740787801&pagename=JPAr ticle%2FShowFull

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The kill ratio was 100-to-1 in our favor. The destruction ratio was much, much greater than that. To this day, thousands of Gazans are living in tents because we won't let them import cement to rebuild the homes we destroyed. We turned the Gaza Strip into a disaster area, a humanitarian case, and we're keeping it that way with our blockade.

Meanwhile, here on the Israeli side of the border, it's hard to remember when life was so safe and secure.

So let's decide: Who was the victim of Operation Cast Lead, them or us?

No question - us. We Israelis were the victims and we still are. In fact, our victimhood is getting worse by the day. The Goldstone report was the real war crime. The Goldstone report, the UN debates, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Red Cross, B'Tselem, the traitorous soldiers of Breaking the Silence and the Rabin Academy - those were the true crimes against humanity. This is what's meant by "war is hell."..

http://fr.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FSho wFull&cid=1254861893834

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Virtually all of Israel is now speaking in one voice against the Goldstone report, against any attempt to blame us over the war in Gaza. We've honed our message to a sharp point and, inspired by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's performance at the UN, we're delivering it with just the right tone of outrage:

How dare anyone deny us the right to self-defense! How dare anyone deny us the right to fight back against terrorism!

Very nice. Puts everyone else on the defensive. The right to self-defense is up there with motherhood and apple pie - who's going to come out against it, especially for us, for Israel, for the Jews, for the people of the Holocaust?

The right to self-defense - perfect.

But I'd like to ask: Do the Palestinians also have the right to self-defense?

We probably wouldn't admit it out loud, but in our heads we would say - again, in one voice - "No!" ...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1143498835308&pagename=JPos t%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull



time means:
I was just pointing out what a wonderful country you are, worthy of of all our respect.

Thank you! :)
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Edited by: time means  Nov 8, 09, 15:18    #140
Bratwurst Boy:
Thank you!

You are welcome dear BB and i do actually really like Germany as a destination, Berlin especially!
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 Nov 8, 09, 15:36    #141
I'm no fan of Larry Derfner and I think his arguments are superficial, but the fact that he is printed daily in the Jerusalem Post is evidence that Israel does not try to silence critics, is a full democracy, has freedom of speech and of the press, is aware that there are palestinians who are suffering. I disagree with him on the cause of the suffering and what to do about it.
Bratwurst Boy:
you are becoming the pariah of the international community

That really worries me! We've been the pariah of the international community for 2000 years. You get used to it.
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 Nov 8, 09, 15:47    #142
yehudi:
We've been the pariah of the international community for 2000 years. You get used to it.

It really shouldn't...
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 8, 09, 17:19    #143
szkotja2007:
No, they went to war with Israel

And were completely and utterly defeated , so much so that the Arab nations surrounding Israel have not dared to contemplate all out war for over 35 years and counting :-)))


szkotja2007:
They are pouring $ Billions in to Gaza in aid

No wonder Hamas and the PLO were murdering each other at every opportunity to gain control of these $ Billions pouring into Gaza :-))

time means:
Arabs supplied by the soviets.

Shhh don't mention this awkward fact....
it make the Arab forces look even more inept and shambolic in their defeat by the little state of Israel :-))

Bratwurst Boy:
Of course they did!
Wouldn't everybody try to expell invading settlers??? Absolutely understandable...

I think after three crushing defeats and the thousands of lost lives and thousands of square miles of more lost territory the Arab nations have absolutley understood a lesson or two about Israel or maybe it was three lessons :-))
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 Nov 8, 09, 17:21    #144
sjam:
I think after three crushing defeats and the thousands of lost lives and thousands of square miles of territory the Arab nations have absolutley understood a lesson or two about Israel or maybe it was three lessons :-))

Patience, if you knew anything about Arab civilisation you'd know they're not about forgiving or forgetting, they're not getting used to the situation they're just waiting.

The moment Israel enters a crisis as all countries do from time to time they'll enter Israel and nukes or not Israeli Jews will get what they deserve.
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 Nov 8, 09, 17:23    #145
Sokrates:
they're just waiting.

Don't hold your breath!
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 8, 09, 17:24    #146
Sokrates:
they're just waiting.

Well lets hope they don't get pins and needles sitting on their trembling hands with all that waiting :-)))

Sokrates:
Israeli Jews will get what they deserve.

However i doubt if you will ever be among the Palestinians you fiegn concern for :-))
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Edited by: Salomon  Nov 8, 09, 17:44    #147
sjam:
sjam

No body carees about the Jews and Israel in Poland ... it doesn't mind Polish people... accussations about antisemitizm or racism doesn't mind Polish people ... the most interesting fact is that there is more Jews on this forum than Poles ...

Poland has own problems...
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 Nov 8, 09, 17:53    #148
Salomon:
the most interesting fact is that there is more Jews on this forum than Poles ...

That really is interesting.
Well, I know I'm a Jew. MG has a Jewish mother, so he's one too. But beyond that I haven't come across any other members of the tribe here. Whoever you are, you hidden Jews, come out and be counted. We can make a minyan.
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 Nov 8, 09, 17:54    #149
yehudi:
That really is interesting. Well, I know I'm a Jew. MG has a Jewish mother, so he's one too. But beyond that I haven't come across any other members of the tribe here. Whoever you are, you hidden Jews, come out and be counted. We can make a minyan.

Marek ? Lyzko ? They claimed to be Jewish ... I don't know if they were honest or not.
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 Nov 8, 09, 17:55    #150
What Salomon means is that there are hardly any real Poles here.


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