Poland pushing Croatia's EU bid

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Jul 21, 11, 13:37 #1
Official statements clearly indicate that Poladn is pushing in earnest to have Croatia enter the EU before the Polish presidency ends on 31st December 2011. That now seems only a technicality. But with the recent arrest and turnover of the last Serbian genocidal terrorist, Serbia now also has a chance to join the EU, although it probably won't be this year.

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Jul 22, 11, 00:24 #2

Polonius3

Official statements clearly indicate that Poladn is pushing in earnest to have Croatia enter the EU before the Polish presidency ends on 31st December 2011.

No, they're pushing for the EU to sign the accession treaty with Croatia - which then must be ratified by all 27 member states before Croatia can be given an accession date. Completely different thing. Croatian accession is also by no means certain - quite a few member states are anxious to avoid the Bulgarian example.

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But with the recent arrest and turnover of the last Serbian genocidal terrorist, Serbia now also has a chance to join the EU, although it probably won't be this year.

Serbia is looking more realistically at joining at the end of decade or later - the country just isn't set up at all for EU accession.

After Croatia (and Iceland?), the most likely candidate will be Montenegro after 2015.

rybnikThreads: 29 Posts: 1,232 Joined: Jan 16, 11 ♂	Jul 22, 11, 02:39 #3
delphiandomine: quite a few member states are anxious to avoid the Bulgarian example. please elaborate

peterwegThreads: 35 Posts: 1,997 Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂	Jul 22, 11, 12:20 #4
please elaborate Bulgaria is run by criminals who have stolen the EU funds. EU have stopped giving money to Bulgaria as a result.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jul 22, 11, 12:25 #5
A lot of crooks and gangsters in Bulgaria.It is peculiar.Cars moving slowly with lights off and engines off in the dark,men with tatoos and scars talking slowly and aggressively real Balkan gangsters here but I prefer the Serbs.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 22, 11, 13:19 #6
please elaborate Not much to elaborate on - the country has huge problems with meeting EU standards.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 22, 11, 13:24 #7
There are numerous convergence criteria, Pol3. See it as an extensive checklist with whimsical checkers. They can create excuses at the drop of a hat.

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Edited by: Crow Jul 23, 11, 04:04 #8

recent arrest and turnover of the last Serbian genocidal terrorist,

genocidal? for your information, Serbs never developed any genocidal ideology

But, Serbians are only ethos in the region who constantly resist to German (Germanic) and Turkish domination and influences on the region. Few times we even dared to confront British and French schemes and when Russia threatens balance within the Slavic world, we reacted on the behalf of Poland. When USA entered in the region on the behalf of Islamic and Germanic factor we counterbalanced and allowed greater Russian presents. We never had alliances with non-Slavs against other Slavs. When EU turns to be Anglo-Germanic dominated and ready to enter in alliance with USA and Islamic factor in order to weak Slavs, we Serbs exposed that fact.

We Serbs are gate keepers of Europe and pride of Slavija. We are not genocidal ethos no matter how daily politics and media of so called west tries to demonize us.

SLAVA! For only Slavija is light

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 23, 11, 08:16 #9
Crow, just out of interest, let's say Poland issued a nationwide survey for all Poles to fill out. Call it a census if you will. If they had to simply tick Croatia or Serbia to join the EU, which do you think they would tick and why? A tick signifies that they want to get closer to that country.

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Jul 23, 11, 09:29 #10
genocidal? for your information, Serbs never developed any genocidal ideology You mean you just used a genocidal ideology developed by others? I just have to ask since all relevant international institutions call it a genocide what happened in Balkania 20 years ago.

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Edited by: Natasa Jul 23, 11, 09:46 #11

You mean you just used a genocidal ideology developed by others

Genocidal ideology would mean that all Muslims, even civilians are targets. In Serbia, Muslims had during civil wars in ex YU all the rights like the Serbs. Like before the war. They participated in public life like before the war.

I happen to know few Muslims. Nobody disliked them here because of things that happened in Bosnia. It was a civil war there.

It is that western demonizing crap again.

Bosnia was not a genocidal story, the way I see it. And the name is irrelevant, because people are dead. But that only bad guys are Serbs, blah, blah....is..boring and oversimplified isn't it?

On the other hand, Croatians during WWII like Germans had a REAL supporting ideology of genocide behind those horrible massacres.

8000 dead Muslim men compared to German who killed millions of men, women, or Croats that slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews, Roma speak for themselves. Numbers are relevant. Don't relativize the absolutely important. Number of lives. The reason for the loss of the lives too.
It was an act of retaliation in Bosnia, as far as I know.

stop the earth i want to get off

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Jul 23, 11, 10:06 #12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide Read the sources given in the text. The UN, the USA and the EU, among others, call it a genozide. If the Serbs prefer to feel misunderstood by the "West" it's their problem. It just shows that they don't belong to the West.

NatasaThreads: 7 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 6, 10 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: Natasa Jul 23, 11, 10:10 #13
To read and trust the source of those who created the label is kind of absurd. It just shows that they don't belong to the West. Delighted about it too :) stop the earth i want to get off

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Edited by: Torq Jul 23, 11, 10:17 #14

let's say Poland issued a nationwide survey for all Poles to fill out. Call it a census if you will. If they had
to simply tick Croatia or Serbia to join the EU, which do you think they would tick and why?

Serbia for me.

Why? Historical reasons (Croatia was on the nazi side during the war) and political
(Croatia is basically a German puppet in the region.)

Serbs induce more warm feelings in Poland for both historical and political reasons, not to mention the
fact that Serbs are proud of their Slavic heritage (and not trying to prove that they are descendants
of Germanic Goths LOL) and there are strong historical ties between Poland and Serbia.
Serbs are probably the mentally closest nation to Poles. The difference in religion doesn't seem to be
that significant, as Catholicism and Orthodoxy are very close to each other (certainly closer than
Catholicism and any branch of Protestantism.)

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Jul 23, 11, 10:23 #15
To read and trust the source of those who created the label is kind of absurd. True. Instead of the UN, the USA, the EU and the International Court of Justice you should provide a Geocities link to prove the opposite. :D Delighted about it too :) No problem, but please never join the EU.

NatasaThreads: 7 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 6, 10 MEMBER ♀	Jul 23, 11, 10:28 #16
POLAND FOREVER!:) I would write more about love for Slavs, but I have to rush to the beach to stalk some other Slavs now ;) I saw nice Polish couple here, heard about their small technical problem and because of my Polish friends here I offered them a hand uninvited, without usual shame when approaching unknown people. Poles were as usual warm :)) stop the earth i want to get off

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Jul 23, 11, 10:30 #17

Read the sources given in the text. The UN, the USA and the EU, among others, call it a genozide.
If the Serbs prefer to feel misunderstood by the "West" it's their problem. It just shows that they don't belong to the West.

your arguments are those of a guy who is just repeating what the west media servs him. no brain action or reflection. nice job.

if we talk about some kind of copyright for that word then it belongs to us germans. we systematically killed millions of poeple in ww2. that was a machinery. by definition that is what is genocide is about.

the use of the word or ideology behind it now is just to make someone (serbs) look much worse than oneself (us/nato etc). they are just deflecting from their systematic killings around the globe...

if we have to take numbers as some sort of argumentation, those 8000 in srebrenica(the number is still in doubt and yes every wasted life is a life too much) are compared to the german figures amateurs.

(Croatia is basically a German puppet in the region).

they have a famous saying there: danke deutschland ;)

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Jul 23, 11, 12:52 #18

Torq, I am curious. You have previously said that you welcome the German presence and partnership with Poland yet you describe Croatia as a "German puppet", strongly implying that the Germans are malignant and controlling. If you are indeed happy with being a partner of Germany then you will understand that spheres of interest play a major part in their operations. That's part and parcel of who they and almost all other countries are. I just read it that way, sorry. I know that you have been a little critical of Serbia in the past and thought that you might have favoured Croatia as a result.

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,858 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Jul 23, 11, 13:06 #19
Germans are malignant and controlling. germans malignant??? no, never....;) but controlling, yes. spheres of interest play a major part in their operations. to quote southern: german foxes ;) critical of Serbia in the past and thought that you might have favoured Croatia as a result. some here would not like to hear/read that ;)

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Jul 23, 11, 13:13 #20

I don't want to speak ill of folks here. I'm sure others will do that.

Torq is an intelligent poster so I'm sure he'll clarify what he meant :)

I think Croatia have largely ironed out their differences with Slovenia so they are close to the green light. However, I will say one thing. If Serbia is to apologise, as Tadić did, for the actions of Mladić then the current PM of Croatia should do likewise for the crimes of the Ustashe. As Natasa rightly said, their crimes were on a greater scale.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 23, 11, 15:16 #21
If they had to simply tick Croatia or Serbia to join the EU, which do you think they would tick and why? Croatia. Poles aren't going on holiday to Serbia, but Croatia is full of them - and they want less hassle at the border. (sat in a 2 hour queue on the Slovenia/Croatia border a few weeks ago)

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