Poland - Third World Country???

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Edited by: AdamKadmon Mar 23, 11, 21:56 #241

Third World Traveler:

In the fifteenth century, Europe began to divide, the west developing and the east becoming its service area, the original third world. The divisions deepened into early 20th century. After the October revolution, Russia extricated itself from the system. Despite Stalin's awesome atrocities and the terrible destruction of the wars, the Soviet system did undergo significant industrialization. Until 1989 Russia was the second world.

Into the 1960s, Western leaders feared that Russia's economic growth would inspire "radical nationalism" elsewhere, and that others too might be stricken by the disease that infected Russia in 1917, when it became unwilling "to complement the industrial economies of the West," as a prestigious study group described the problem of Communism in 1955. The Western invasion of 1918 was therefore a defensive action to protect "the welfare of the world capitalist system," threatened by social changes within the service areas.

The Capitalist Destruction of Russia (US economic advice did what Hitler or atomic warfare couldn’t.)

grubasThreads: 20 Posts: 1,452 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Mar 23, 11, 22:03 #242
Very interesting but I am pretty sure there was no Russia from 1922 to 1991.

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Mar 23, 11, 22:08 #243
grubas: I am pretty sure there was no Russia from 1922 to 1991. It was one of the 15 republics of the USSR that had an external border or coast.

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Mar 24, 11, 16:19 #244

Joseph Stiglitz, American economist and a recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (2001), the former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World Bank. Joseph Stiglitz is known for his critical view of the management of globalization, "free market fundamentalists" and some international institutions like the IMF and the World Bank. He compared the shock therapy in Russia to Bolshevism:

Exerpts from Stiglitz article:

Historically the shock therapy approach to changing institutions is associated with Jacobinism in the French Revolution and (ironically) with Bolshevism in the Russian Revolution. There is an "Austrian" tradition of criticism of the Jacobin-Bolshevik approach to institutional change. Karl Popper's criticism [1962] of utopian social engineering and Friedrich Hayek's critique [1979] of the Jacobinic ambitions of scientism gave this tradition its modern Austrian flavor but the roots go back at least to Edmund Burke's [1937 (1790)] attack on Jacobinism in the French Revolution. Peter Murrell [1992] has explicitly used that tradition in his critique of the shock therapy approach. ...

Russian and Chinese Gross Domestic Product

commie

Jan 18, 12, 14:38 #245

Merged: Is Poland third world?

Why are poles so desparate to move to the UK, Ireland and Germany? Polands economy is growing at a faster rate than the EU. Working in a factory in Corby or Peterborough isn't going to make your life much better.Canada and Australia are much nicer countries than UK but you need skills or qualifications to move there. I can't wait to move to Australia or Canada and watch the UK my homeland rot.

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Edited by: peterweg Jan 18, 12, 14:45 #246

commie:

Why are poles so desparate to move to the UK, Ireland and Germany?

Simple answer, they are not. If they were 'desperate' they would have moved, but 95% of Poles are still in Poland. The number of Poles moving to Germany is very small, a few tens of thousands, any that wanted to travel have already done so.

commie:

Canada and Australia are much nicer countries than UK but you need skills or qualifications to move there.

Last time I checked the most desirable skills for Australia were laying concrete and cutting hair.

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Jan 18, 12, 14:47 #247
commie: I can't wait to move to Australia or Canada and watch the UK my homeland rot. you'll be missed

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Jan 18, 12, 14:54 #248
commie: I can't wait to move to Australia or Canada and watch the UK my homeland rot. Don't say goodbye, just promise you'll never come back. Though somehow I doubt they'd let you in.

peter_olsztynThreads: 8 Posts: 760 Joined: Apr 18, 07 ♂	Jan 18, 12, 15:34 #249
commie: Canada and Australia are much nicer countries than UK We don't need better country to live. Some of us need a little more money to finish a house or for newer car etc.

commie	Jan 18, 12, 15:36 #250
Maybe the steroids are better in the UK that's why they like to come here. I've noticed by gym is full of steroid abusers. I own property in Poland so I hope it continues to develop. Those russian built flats are a bargain.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Jan 18, 12, 19:34 #251
JonnyM: Though somehow I doubt they'd let you in. British citizens can get an unlimited working holiday visa for Oz. Once he can prove he can provide for himself for a month, he is n.

modafinilThreads: - Posts: 831 Joined: Jun 28, 11 ♂	Jan 18, 12, 19:43 #252
RevokeNice: British citizens can get an unlimited working holiday visa for Oz Not to sure its unlimited. Quite a few provisos - have to be 18-30 yo and take temp jobs 6 month max with the same employer and max stay of 2 years.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Jan 18, 12, 20:20 #253
modafinil: Not to sure its unlimited. Quite a few provisos - have to be 18-30 yo and take temp jobs 6 month max with the same employer and max stay of 2 years. Yes, you are right and I am wrong. Still pretty easy to go over there and get sponsorship before the visa expires.

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