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 Feb 2, 11, 19:35    #1
Poland wants Nazi camps to drop the .pl suffix on websites


By The Associated Press (CP) – 8 hours ago
WARSAW, Poland — Poland's culture minister has appealed to museums at former Nazi German death camps in Poland to drop the .pl suffixes in their Internet addresses.
Bogdan Zdrojewski says he wants to fight a historically erroneous association between the death camps and Poland.
Poles fear that as World War II becomes more distant, they will get blamed for Nazi crimes because many of the former camps are located today on Polish soil.
During the war, the Germans ran them in countries that they occupied, including Poland.
Zdrojewski said Tuesday that Auschwitz, Majdanek and other state museums could replace the .pl suffix with .eu.
Poland is also waging a campaign worldwide to prevent foreign media outlets from referring to such places as "Polish death camps."

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 Feb 2, 11, 19:57    #2
ahhh

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 Feb 2, 11, 20:02    #3
What's the big deal? They are in Poland. I'm sure the local gov rub their hands with the prospect of tax revenue that tourists bring when they go there to visit such places.
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:08    #4
dtaylor5632:
What's the big deal? They are in Poland. I'm sure the local gov rub their hands with the prospect of tax revenue that tourists bring when they go there to visit such places.

Dont be an idiot, there's an international effort to shift the blame for Nazi crimes from Germans to Poles, anything that helpes Poland avoid getting blamed for the holocaust, the death camps and anything else helps.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 2, 11, 20:14    #5
Yeah...let's blame ".eu" ! :)
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:22    #6
Sokrates:
anything that helpes Poland avoid getting blamed for the holocaust, the death camps and anything else helps.

Nobody blames them, if that was the case why was there such a big hype about changing the name from Auschwitz to Oswiecim?
Anyone with half a brain would instantly know that the camps weren't a Polish invention and that it was a Nazi thing.

Treehuggers geez oh
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:26    #7
dtaylor5632:
Nobody blames them,

No sh*t Sherlock, there were literally hundreds of "mistakes" where death camps were called "polish" or "operated by Poles" "run by Poles" etc, thats bloody intentional.
dtaylor5632:
Anyone with half a brain would instantly know that the camps weren't a Polish invention and that it was a Nazi thing.

There's enough people who can and will believe such lies and we both know it.
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:31    #8
Sokrates:
there's an international effort to shift the blame for Nazi crimes from Germans to Poles


Only in the minds of the paranoid.
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:38    #9
delphiandomine:
Only in the minds of the paranoid.

Exactly, the places nowadays are more like tourist attractions. Last time I went it was more like a visitor attraction, buy books here, get ur photo's taken there, dont forget to "help" the local economy buy buying hotdogs outside the main gate. Surprising nobody has opened a pub called Bar-Mitzvah next it! Totally missing the point!
Sokrates:
No sh*t Sherlock, there were literally hundreds of "mistakes" where death camps were called "polish" or "operated by Poles" "run by Poles" etc, thats bloody intentional.

Yeah......sure its intentional...if you are that paranoid then that's your fault. Normal folk who have been educated will know that truth.
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:46    #10
delphiandomine:

Only in the minds of the paranoid.

So hundreds of cases where in the recent few years Poland was, often outright blamed for German crimes are a coincidence? Sorry not buying it.
dtaylor5632:
Yeah......sure its intentional...if you are that paranoid then that's your fault. Normal folk who have been educated will know that truth.

Media excersize a far greater influence than education.
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:52    #11
Sokrates:
So hundreds of cases where in the recent few years Poland was, often outright blamed for German crimes are a coincidence? Sorry not buying it.


Evidence?

All in the mind, as I say.

Sounds like someone has fallen for your average piece of PO media spin.
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:52    #12
Sokrates:
Media excersize a far greater influence than education.

Oh no..................
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:54    #13
delphiandomine:
Evidence?

Oh f*ck you twat, after all the anti-polish comments you made? You can browse the web yourself, google is a simple tool and when you type in polish death camps you get enough anwers.
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 Feb 2, 11, 20:58    #14
Sokrates:
Oh f*ck you twat, after all the anti-polish comments you made? You can browse the web yourself, google is a simple tool and when you type in polish death camps you get enough anwers.

You can't be bothered to back up your claims? Go on show me an example of international media intentionally stating Polish death camps.
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Edited by: SeanBM  Feb 2, 11, 21:04    #15
I agree with Sokrates to an extent.

The amount of misquoted or misunderstood history is insurmountable.
And if actions like these are not taken, it will end up being WWII Polish death camps.
I have heard similar wording used on T.V.

dtaylor5632:
Anyone with half a brain would instantly know that the camps weren't a Polish invention and that it was a Nazi thing.

I do not have so much faith in humanity.
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 Feb 2, 11, 21:07    #16
Sokrates:
Oh f*ck you twat, after all the anti-polish comments you made? You can browse the web yourself, google is a simple tool and when you type in polish death camps you get enough anwers.


No no, we're looking for evidence here. If you can't be bothered to provide it, then we can only assume that it doesn't exist.
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Edited by: SeanBM  Feb 2, 11, 21:08    #17
delphiandomine:
we're looking for evidence here.

Polish death camp and Polish concentration camp are terms that occasionally appear in international media in reference to Nazi German concentration camps built and run by during the Holocaust in the General Government and other parts of occupied Poland. Usage of the term has been condemned as "insulting" by the Polish foreign minister Adam Daniel Rotfeld in 2005,

An example of the controversy occurred when an April 30, 2004 CTV News report made reference to "the Polish camp in Treblinka"

The incorrect phrase 'Polish concentration camps' is used in school textbooks outside Poland to refer to the Nazi German concentration camps on occupied Polish territory

On December 23, 2009, writing in The Guardian, Timothy Garton Ash said:

Watching a German television news report on the trial of John Demjanjuk a few weeks ago, I was amazed to hear the announcer describe him as a guard in "the Polish extermination camp Sobibor". What times are these, when one of the main German TV channels thinks it can describe Nazi camps as "Polish"? In my experience, the automatic equation of Poland with Catholicism, nationalism and antisemitism – and thence a slide to guilt by association with the Holocaust – is still widespread. This collective stereotyping does no justice to the historical record.

"Polish death camp" controversy Wiki
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Edited by: Paulina  Feb 2, 11, 21:12    #18
SeanBM:
I agree with Sokrates to an extent.

Me too, I think. To an extent...

dtaylor5632:
Normal folk who have been educated will know that truth.

I hope so, but I'm not so sure about this...

Sokrates:
Media excersize a far greater influence than education.

And the result may be, for example:
dtaylor5632:
For such a history buff, you seem to leave out a great amount on why exactly so many camps were built in Poland.


That's exactly what that Timothy Garton Ash is writing about in that quote which SeanBM gave:

"In my experience, the automatic equation of Poland with Catholicism, nationalism and antisemitism – and thence a slide to guilt by association with the Holocaust – is still widespread. This collective stereotyping does no justice to the historical record."
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Edited by: dtaylor5632  Feb 2, 11, 21:13    #19
SeanBM:
I do not have so much faith in humanity.

Neither do I, that's half my point though. That section of society deserves to be ignored and all this talk about changing .pl to .eu only panders to their needs.
Paulina:
And the result may be, for example:

Doubt it.
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 Feb 2, 11, 21:14    #20
Great link, Sean - one quote.

However, all foreign media articles so criticized by Rzeczpospolita (as of November 2008) make clear that the perpetrators were German, none claims Poles built the camps.

And - hahahahaa.

As stated by the IPN official, while in Poland 'Nazi' is definitely connected to 'German' this is not the case everywhere in the world, and the change will help to solve the problem.

I've never met anyone who associated the word "Nazi" with anything other than "Germany". As I said - all in the minds of the paranoid.

It seems that many of the complaints by Poles are based on unfounded paranoid rubbish. Wouldn't be the first time that they've trolled themselves, though.
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 Feb 2, 11, 21:16    #21
dtaylor5632:
buy books here

better than burning them.......I bought the commandants diaries from the "gift shop", I dont remember any tacky souvineers though,certainly not inside the camp.
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 Feb 2, 11, 21:18    #22
isthatu2:
better than burning them.......I bought the commandants diaries from the "gift shop", I dont remember any tacky souvineers though,certainly not inside the camp.

I didn't say that. I only was making the point that the places was more like a tourist attraction than a place to be educated on the horrors of what happened there.
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Edited by: Paulina  Feb 2, 11, 21:18    #23
dtaylor5632:
Doubt it.


?

Again:

"In my experience, the automatic equation of Poland with Catholicism, nationalism and antisemitism – and thence a slide to guilt by association with the Holocaust – is still widespread."

dtaylor5632:
For such a history buff, you seem to leave out a great amount on why exactly so many camps were built in Poland.

So, dtaylor5632, what did you mean by that?

dtaylor5632:
I didn't say that. I only was making the point that the places was more like a tourist attraction than a place to be educated on the horrors of what happened there.

Isn't it both?
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Edited by: SeanBM  Feb 2, 11, 21:20    #24
delphiandomine:
I've never met anyone who associated the word "Nazi" with anything other than "Germany"



In alphabetical order:

Neo-Nazism
* 1 Austria
* 2 Belgium
* 3 Bosnia and Herzegovina
* 4 Chile
* 5 Croatia
* 6 Estonia
* 7 France
* 8 Germany
* 9 Greece
* 10 Israel
* 11 Mongolia
* 12 Russia
* 13 Serbia
* 14 Sweden
* 15 United States

I really do not share your faith in humanity that people are educated enough or care enough to see a difference and as we talk about Polish death camps, Polish death camps is what they become.
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 Feb 2, 11, 21:22    #25
Paulina:
Isn't it both?

No, it's a place of remembrance. To learn about the horrors of humanity so not to repeat them.
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 Feb 2, 11, 21:25    #26
SeanBM:
I really do not share your faith in humanity that people are educated enough or care enough to see a difference and as we talk about Polish death camps, Polish death camps is what they become.


The problem is that we really aren't talking about Polish Death Camps at all. I'm still waiting for Sokrates to show us an article that clearly describes the camps as being Polish and not German.
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 Feb 2, 11, 21:27    #27
dtaylor5632:
I didn't say that. I only was making the point that the places was more like a tourist attraction than a place to be educated on the horrors of what happened there.

Dont get me started....German school kids smiling for photos under Arbiet Macht Frei.....and the kids with flags drapped over their shoulders ......Oh,and getting greeted off the coach with a "Shalom".......funny,my History books told me it was a camp built for Poles....
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Edited by: Paulina  Feb 2, 11, 21:31    #28
dtaylor5632:
No, it's a place of remembrance. To learn about the horrors of humanity so not to repeat them.

That too but it's also a museum, yes? And therefore a tourist "attraction" by definition, whether we like it or not. I know that Auschwitz camp is one of few things that foreigners actually know about Poland and often visiting this site is a "must" for them lol
I remember that my aunt who lives in the US bought books and souvenirs there for her neighbours who are Jewish because they asked her to do this for them.
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Edited by: SeanBM  Feb 2, 11, 21:31    #29
delphiandomine:
The problem is that we really aren't talking about Polish Death Camps at all.

It has been used.
I was watching some American TV a few months ago, the were advertising a book written by a Jew about the holocaust and they were saying that they brought the book to Poland and EVEN Polish people appreciated it.
There was a definite undertone as if all Poles were Nazis, it was unmistakable.

I am not Polish whatsoever, I don't have a reason for being defensive on this.

I do however think if the expression is used, or the wording is not correct, it will mislead people.
Put it this way, if my country was being lumped together with the nazi holocaust, I would want to make damn sure that people knew what happened and that I was not misrepresented.
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 Feb 2, 11, 21:32    #30
I had to laugh once on the bus there when an American Idiot came out and said to his mates "Lets go see what American put and end to!"


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