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Edited by: gumishu  Feb 1, 10, 10:44    #61
sylwia:
Yet some three years ago Poles were seen within the EU as barking puppies, whining and capricious, making troubles with Russia for no good reason.

reasons that were behind that - Russia wants free access to our energetic industries (as well as in the whole Europe) not giving the same rights to European capitals

one of our representatives to the gas talks that were held in Russia was astonished how precise knowledge of our economy the Russians had - they have their agents all over the place here (enough to have excellent industrial intelligence) - just read more of independant publicists - I strongly recommend Rafał Ziemkiewicz articles



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 Feb 1, 10, 11:10    #62
gumishu:
reasons that were behind that - Russia wants free access to our energetic industries (as well as in the whole Europe) not giving the same rights to European capitals

Of course, as I said, our political objectives don't change. We're in the same position no matter who's ruling the country. What changes is that some politicians are being heard in the West, and some are seen as stomping their foot like silly brats.

An excellent article by Rafał Ziemkiewicz about such an example from the former era. The fact that we don't see such failures nowadays is a success in itself. It's very easy to lose one's face, it's very difficult to work out good, stable relations.


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Edited by: gumishu  Feb 1, 10, 11:15    #63
sylwia:
Of course, as I said, our political objectives don't change. We're in the same position no matter who's ruling the country. What changes is that some politicians are being heard in the West, and some are seen as stomping their foot like silly brats.

I don't see PO politicians being heard in the West sylwia - or can you give me some examples

sylwia:
The fact that we don't see such failures nowadays is a success in itself

I didn't see the result of the negotiations as a failure but as a moderate success - what we gained was much more than what could have been achieved by conforming to the German demands - we gained some time a good couple of years and probably also some funds the new EU budget will still be negotiated according to Nicea rules - I don't know if you fail to see that Germans are making 'realpolitik' - they just throw in some nice words to sweeten the bitter aftertastes - when we stand fast they just spare us those nice words and that's it


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 Feb 8, 10, 08:24    #64
sylwia:
Wouldn’t it be great, for a change, to have a president who would be able to make a positive impact? Surely Sikorski, an Oxford graduate, and a good diplomat with a very good knowledge of our foreign politics, and his wife, an American (a Polish resident for some decades though) Pulitzer prize winner, would be a nice picture of Poland.

I'll second that. I've read Applebaum's Gulag and I am pleased that she contributed to the neglected subject of the communists horrors and did not join the Holocaust show. I am not speaking of the tragedy but rather of the enterprise surrounding and exploiting that genocide for profit. She would be a good First Lady. Sikorski, would represnt Poland well, in fact, very well, but I am afraid PO will not put him forward as they would not be able to control him fully. They will stick another dunce without international experience, no foreign language skills, but controlable. The pains of a new demorcracy are so...painful to watch and experience, but Amor Patriae Nostra Lex.

And Sylvia, in your list of Polish presidents after the "fall" of communism you missed one, the Soviet intelligence officer - general Jaruzelski.


anna1  Feb 15, 10, 09:38    #65
if you think Polish women are going to vote for a man who is not married to a Polish woman you are crazy. It is every Polish women's nightmare that their husand will get a job in another country and dump them for a foreign woman. Sikorski represents this. This also destroyed Jan Rokita's political career because of his foreign wife.


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 Feb 15, 10, 13:17    #66
polish people especially the older generation if they find out shes jewish then radoslaw sikorski will have no chance of winning and also it just doesnt sound right president of poland with a jewish american wife.


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 Feb 15, 10, 21:31    #67
sylwia:
Lech Wałęsa, a stubborn electrician, without any knowledge of English

Is there a rule in the Polish law that a presidential candidate should speak English?

As for the Sikorski's wifey... I don't see a problem. All the power to her if she becomes Poland's First Lady.


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Edited by: strzyga  Feb 16, 10, 04:06    #68
anna1:
if you think Polish women are going to vote for a man who is not married to a Polish woman you are crazy.

why?
tomaszmojsiejuk:
polish people especially the older generation if they find out shes jewish then radoslaw sikorski will have no chance of winning and also it just doesnt sound right president of poland with a jewish american wife.

why? And no need to find that out, it's been widely known for a long time.
I see you're from Australia, have you been raised over there or in Poland?
anna1:
This also destroyed Jan Rokita's political career because of his foreign wife.

What destroyed Rokita's political career was not his wife's origins but her utter stupidity. He'd been married and making a career for many years until his wife became a public persona and unfortunately started speaking on TV.
No comparison whatsoever with Anne Applebaum.


anna1  Feb 16, 10, 06:49    #69
Polish women want a Polish woman as first lady not a foreigner. The things that Applebaum and Nelly Rokita have in common is that they are not only foreigners but they are nutty foreigners on top of that. If you don't believe me google Applebaum's column about Russian women and you'll believe me there is something mentally wrong with this woman.


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 Feb 16, 10, 07:02    #70
i was born in poland but raised in australia, but i visit poland almost every year. It actually would be a big thing especially with my family who blame the jews for everything and they are not alone in thier views.


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 Feb 16, 10, 07:21    #71
I think there are more people in the category I belong to - I like just about every Jewish person I've gotten to know, but I do not agree with most of Israeli policies.


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 Mar 7, 10, 15:18    #72
f stop:
I think there are more people in the category I belong to - I like just about every Jewish person I've gotten to know, but I do not agree with most of Israeli policies.

That's my impression of the vast majority of Polish people too, f stop.


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Edited by: asik  Mar 7, 10, 15:33    #73
f stop:
I think there are more people in the category I belong to - I like just about every Jewish person I've gotten to know, but I do not agree with most of Israeli policies

Do not be afraid to speak f stop...the Israeli's policies are made by the Jews and they think they are not obliged to follow the standards of the world rules ..they think they can steal passports of other nationalities without being made responsible for the CRIME!
How gross it even sounds!


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 Mar 7, 10, 18:04    #74
the passport thing ticked me off, but really, did not surprise me.
But what I'm saying about trying to separate the government from the average Joe, for example.. are there any Australian policies you do not agree with? How would you like to be personally held responsible for them?


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 Mar 7, 10, 18:21    #75
Anne Applebaum is a Zionist warmonger actively campaigning in her columns for an attack on Iran. She wants to start World War Three because her co-religionists in Palestine don't feel safe! That Pan Sikorski would marry such an idiot shows that he is not qualified to be president of Poland. Her columns dismissing the seriousness of Roman Polanski's drugging and sodomizing a thirteen year old girl also show her perverted mindset.


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 Mar 8, 10, 04:34    #76
delphiandomine:
I still don't understand this - sure, people who were around before WW2 might have a reason to dislike Jews, but nowadays?

You know... They could have had daughters/sons? a son or a daughter looks at his/her parents and copy them. Do you think a 4 year old knows what's good or bad in life?

That is why people have something against someone that haven't done any wrong but have the same background! Family feuds? nation feuds? Never heard of em? Ever?


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 Mar 8, 10, 09:01    #77
Polonius3:
SIkorski's wife is American Jewess Anne Apfelbaum.

if the above quote is gtrue and this guy becomes the next president poland is fuckxd.mark my words.the jews will milk poland dry and the president will give them everything.


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Edited by: King Sobieski  Mar 8, 10, 09:07    #78
jewkilla

free palestine, go back to that rock crawled you out from.


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 Mar 8, 10, 09:44    #79
asik:
the Israeli's policies are made by the Jews and they think they are not obliged to follow the standards of the world rules ..they think they can steal passports of other nationalities without being made responsible for the CRIME!

Funny. The same people who criticized Israel for attacking Gaza because civilians got hurt and not just terrorists are now screaming about the "crime" of killing one man in Dubai, a known terrorist with a long record of murders. Admit it, what you really mean is that it's a crime for Israel to do anything to defend itself.


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 Mar 8, 10, 09:53    #80
yehudi:
Funny. The same people who criticized Israel for attacking Gaza because civilians got hurt and not just terrorists are now screaming about the "crime" of killing one man in Dubai, a known terrorist with a long record of murders. Admit it, what you really mean is that it's a crime for Israel to do anything to defend itself.

Don't play dumb. The murder itself is nothing; the fact that it was carried out using fake passports is the issue. Somehow Israel thinks it's above the law.


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 Mar 8, 10, 10:00    #81
Matowy:
using fake passports is the issue.

All intel services do this. They are all above the law, if that's the issue.


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 Mar 8, 10, 21:07    #82
Do you think that will be a problem for Polish voters?

A problem for Polish voters is not having a candidate who would be a good diplomate. So far candidates forget how a good presidential compaign should look like.

"Polonius": I think wife of a next president will be the smallest "problem".
What if next candidates will be a single ones? :)))


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Edited by: f stop  Mar 8, 10, 21:12    #83
last night at the Oscar's some comedian was commenting on the Jew hunter role in Inglorious Basterds. "Searching for Jews?" he says, "here", with sweeping arm he indicates the entire audience, "the mother-lode!".


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Edited by: joepilsudski  Mar 8, 10, 23:41    #84
Actually, this Apfelbaum is only Sikorski's wife...I put a picture of his mistress below...She will be the real 'Polish' first lady, and she is all Yiddinski!...She threatens Sikorski and Poland that she will pose nude if he does not stay in line.

sb


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 Mar 8, 10, 23:53    #85
You sure it's not this disgusting human being??

portman


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Edited by: skysoulmate  Mar 9, 10, 02:31    #86
joepilsudski:
delphiandomine:
I still don't understand this - sure, people who were around before WW2 might have a reason to dislike Jews, but nowadays?
My dear, do you live in the US?...This country is run by Jews: Wall Steet, the Federal Reserve, all of Obama's top advisors are Jews, Obama was put into office by Jewish money...They brag about it in their press: Vanity Fair, Israeli press...The media is controlled by Jews, every major network, newspaper and magazine...And all we hear is give more money to Israel, and bail out this, bail out that...We have spent and are spending over $1 trillion for Zionist wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...all triggered by Israelis blowing up the WTC.

Maybe the goy are really fools.

This sound extreme?...Believe me, the evidence is solid...

Now, this is the Zionist ruling elite, and not necessarily individual Jews, although Jews always fall into line when their leaders call and frighten them...I try to educate you as to current events and maybe to history...The same forces that prompted WWII exist now.

Dear God - paranoia at it's best!

Whether under the Tsar or the Commissar the Russians always blamed world ills on the Jews. People like you are the sad remnants of the generations of Russian occupations.

...and you chose the screen name Joe Piłsudski - one the most pro-Jewish people of the time... Oh, the irony!


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Edited by: skysoulmate  Mar 9, 10, 03:12    #87
joepilsudski:
Now, this is the Zionist ruling elite, and not necessarily individual Jews, although Jews always fall into line when their leaders call and frighten them...I try to educate you as to current events and maybe to history...The same forces that prompted WWII exist now.

"...Piłsudski's regime began a period of national stabilization and of improvement in the situation of ethnic minorities, which formed about a third of the Second Republic's population. Piłsudski replaced the National Democrats' "ethnic-assimilation" with a "state-assimilation" policy: citizens were judged not by their ethnicity but by their loyalty to the state. Widely recognized for his opposition to the National Democrats antisemitic policies, he extended his policy of "state-assimilation" to Polish Jews.

The years 1926–35, and Piłsudski himself, were favorably viewed by many Polish Jews whose situation improved especially under Piłsudski-appointed Prime Minister Kazimierz Bartel. Many Jews saw Piłsudski as their only hope for restraining antisemitic currents in Poland and for maintaining public order; he was seen as a guarantor of stability and a friend of the Jewish people, who voted for him and actively participated in his political bloc. Piłsudski's death in 1935 brought a deterioration in the quality of life of Poland's Jews..."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Pi%C5%82sudski



Yet YOU use his name as your screen name???



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Edited by: skysoulmate  Mar 9, 10, 07:30    #88
jewkilla:
if the above quote is gtrue and this guy becomes the next president poland is fuckxd.mark my words.the jews will milk poland dry and the president will give them everything.

Poland is only ""fuckxd" as you so eloguently put it if racists such as yourself get to decide its destiny. Unbelievable, what century is this again???

"Nice" screen name :(


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Edited by: King Sobieski  Mar 9, 10, 08:31    #89
skysoulmate:
Poland is only ""fuckxd" as you so eloguently put it if racists such as yourself get to decide its destiny. Unbelievable, what century is this again???

he/she is from palestine living in the uk.


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Edited by: DariuszTelka  Mar 10, 10, 14:54    #90
skysoulmate:
Dear God - paranoia at it's best!

Whether under the Tsar or the Commissar the Russians always blamed world ills on the Jews. People like you are the sad remnants of the generations of Russian occupations.

His only problem is that he didn't put footnotes under his statements. Everything he stated are facts. How can you paranoid if you tell the truth? Only a real paranoid person would refute truth. So that makes YOU the paranoid, Skysoulmate...

You really want me to find the links to all his statements?

Convex: You sure it's not this disgusting human being?? (Picture of Natalie Portman). She's, I'm sorry to say for the jewish people, not representative for their looks....Sandra Bernhardt, on the other hand, is a little closer to the truth.

Dariusz



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