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Poland’s New Nuclear Ambitions (Sikorski's US visit)

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Mar 3, 11, 21:48 #1

Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski arrived in the United States on Monday for a six-day visit including meetings with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday and with Deputy Secretary of Energy Daniel B. Poneman and other officials. The visit is meant to promote the U.S.-Polish alliance and reaffirm Warsaw’s commitment to a close relationship with Washington after lukewarm visits from Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski in December 2010 and Defense Minister Bogdan Klich in October 2010, during which Washington refused to give concrete military commitments to Poland.

Aside from clearing any negative air left by the Komorowski and Klich visits, Sikorski’s stay in the United States has practical economic purposes. Poland is seeking investments and technical expertise in the energy field, specifically in nuclear power and shale natural gas extraction. U.S. investment in either sector would signal a long-term, concrete commitment to Warsaw from Washington. The sheer size of the investment needed — the estimated construction costs for the two power plants Poland wants to build are 18 billion to 21 billion euros ($24.7 billion to $28.9 billion) — would be a significant boon to Poland’s economy and stability.

http://blogs.forbes.com/energysource/2011/03/03/polands-new-nuclear-am bitions/

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 01:07 #2
who need a freaking nuclear power plant if there is no connection with nuclear weapon?! Power plant is only an invitation for trouble both during the peace like during a war! The only reason country like Poland should consider development of a nuclear power plants is possibility of development of nuclear weapon.

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Edited by: skysoulmate Mar 4, 11, 01:12 #3
I disagree Ironside. Any power production that makes Poland less dependent on Russian gas is a good development.

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Mar 4, 11, 01:22 #4

Ironside:

who need a freaking nuclear power plant if there is no connection with nuclear weapon?!

Iron not all of us dream of world Apocalypse ;)
Poland's coal reserves are slowly running out not to mention polluting the country.

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 01:34 #5
We need to buy nuclear weapon from N. Korea soon just for protection, never know when you might have it for insurance. Poland can be the first country to start building things with geo-thermal planning that would reduce energy consumption.

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 04:05 #6
Ironside: Power plant is only an invitation for trouble both during the peace like during a war! How did you arrive at this conclusion?

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 04:22 #7
How did you arrive at this conclusion? simple one word Chernobyl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Edited by: PennBoy Mar 4, 11, 04:34 #8
Marek11111: simple one word Chernobyl One major nuclear energy accident and it gave nuclear energy such a bad name. http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational/watch/v299397ds AtqhJg

Piast PolandThreads: 3 Posts: 272 Joined: Aug 28, 10 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 05:14 #9
Nuclear power would clearly have benefits to Poland. Hope you know that nuclear energy can be peaceful too.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Mar 4, 11, 05:34 #10
Piast Poland: Nuclear power would clearly have benefits to Poland. Hope you know that nuclear energy can be peaceful too. The only negative about nuclear power are the spent fuel rods. They have a half life of 1o,ooo years. It will be radioactive that long.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 11:08 #11
Babinich: How did you arrive at this conclusion? During a peace, such power plant could blow for technical reasons, or because some terrorist will use to make a point. During a war, one conventional missile is sufficient to blow radioactive elements from the said plant and spread them around, we are talking hundreds miles here!

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 11:13 #12
PennBoy: shale natural gas extraction A bit worried about the environmental impact of this one.

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 18:39 #13
In case of war military targets and terrorist targets would be a nuclear facility so how beneficial would be to have a Chernobyl disaster ? More beneficial program would be developing new conservation programs like geo-thermal buildings, wave generators, wind generators, The technology exist today that you do not have to destroy your surroundings.

Piast PolandThreads: 3 Posts: 272 Joined: Aug 28, 10 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 18:41 #14
Poland needs to be energy independent. How else could this be achieved? At least a balance of nuclear and other energy is needed.

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Mar 4, 11, 22:16 #15

GE Hitachi Nuclear Energy Further Highlights Commitment to Poland with Address to Polish Parliament Committee

"Polska Grupa Energetyczna S.A. (PGE), which is leading government efforts to develop the country's first two nuclear generating stations to help diversify Poland's energy supply. PGE is still evaluating several reactor technologies for these first plants, including two GEH reactor designs: the 1,350-megawatt (MWe) ABWR and the 1,520-MWe ESBWR. The ESBWR is GEH's newest reactor design and offers the world's most advanced passive safety systems.
Today, about 94 percent of Poland's electricity comes from domestic coal-fired power plants. Poland plans to build its new reactors to help reduce the country's dependence on coal-based technologies and overall national emissions levels as Poland and other European Union members seek to reduce their emissions by at least 20 percent below 1990 levels by 2020. Nuclear energy is an attractive option because it generates electricity with near-zero greenhouse gas emissions."
http://www.powergenworldwide.com/index/display/wire-news-display/13701 73286.html

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 23:12 #16
PennBoy: "Polska Grupa Energetyczna S.A. (PGE), which is leading government efforts to develop the country's first two nuclear generating They have been trying to go ahead with the nuclear power plant for years, the fact is most Poles doesn't want nuclear plants in their country!

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 23:22 #17
Ironside: They have been trying to go ahead with the nuclear power plant for years, the fact is most Poles doesn't want nuclear plants in their country! You keep quiet and obey your maters, LOL

BBmanThreads: - Posts: 459 Joined: Jan 4, 11 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 23:36 #18
Nuclear power is a great form of clean energy and there are methods available to deal with nuclear waste. Serious nuclear accidents are few and far between. Chernobyl could have easily been prevented if it were not for politics.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 23:49 #19
BBman: Chernobyl could have easily been prevented if it were not for politics. there is always politic !

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 00:06 #20
Nuclear reactor basically is used heat water to steam then the steam drives turbine that is generating energy, I think we can live without the nuclear power, just too much of liability for the rewords.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 5, 11, 00:09 #21
BBman: Serious nuclear accidents are few and far between. Some might argue that one serious nuclear accident is more than enough for humanity. BBman: Chernobyl could have easily been prevented if it were not for politics. How could it easily have been prevented? As (supposedly) an engineer, you should know that the RMBK design was/is fundamentally flawed.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Edited by: PlasticPole Mar 5, 11, 00:11 #22
Piast Poland: Poland needs to be energy independent. How else could this be achieved? At least a balance of nuclear and other energy is needed. There's always coal. Chernobyl was just a bad design, the engineers couldn't shut it off during a drill. Meltdown is not the problem. It's the waste that's the problem!

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 441 Joined: Oct 16, 09 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 00:18 #23
@Ironside "Poles don't want nuclear plants" Would you kindly speak for youself? I, for one, am a Pole, and I do want my country to turn to nuclear power as fast as possible. No need to waste goo money on geo-thermal stuff and so on. The nuclear plants are as good as it gets.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 00:27 #24
kondzior: Would you kindly speak for youself? I said - most Poles - you know that is the truth !

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 00:45 #25
BBman: Nuclear power is a great form of clean energy and there are methods available to deal with nuclear waste. Listen to the German, they have experience in this, look at France also, over 75% of power in France is from nuclear energy, have they had Chernobyls?

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Mar 5, 11, 00:48 #26
What do you do with waste that stays radioactive for 1o,ooo years?

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Mar 5, 11, 01:32 #27
PennBoy: Send it to Mecca Why not just move it to the sun?

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Mar 5, 11, 04:48 #28

Marek11111:

In case of war military targets and terrorist targets would be a nuclear facility so how beneficial would be to have a Chernobyl disaster ?
More beneficial program would be developing new conservation programs like geo-thermal buildings, wave generators, wind generators,
The technology exist today that you do not have to destroy your surroundings.

Interesting site about Poland's energy future:

http://www.ebrdrenewables.com/sites/renew/countries/Poland/profile.asp x

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