Poland's population growth problem

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Dec 28, 11, 10:09 #31

delphiandomine:

I deliberately bought a flat with good connections. Sure, I could've probably actually bought a (small) house for not much more money - but I can go to the pub and get home whenever. Buy a house, and I'd be relying on taxis/lifts forevermore. So - conscious decision as a young person - buy a smaller place with more opportunities, than be stuck in suburban hell.

Never could understand those people who buy huge houses in Poland, but who then spend 90 minutes a day stuck in traffic each way.

Precisely. The choice between city centre living (being able to walk to work in ten minutes and walk to any bar or restaurant one goes to in 20 minutes) or living even on the edge of the city (and paying 150zl each time one gets a taxi home) is an easy one to make.

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Dec 28, 11, 11:41 #32

RevokeNice:

A much higher standard of living for your children. Anyway, what does it matter if you're not home until seven pm. Kids should be doing their homework and sports after school so they wouldnt be free, either. Inner city living aint pretty, when growing up. You are from Glasgow, are you not? You should know that as well as me.

yep.
you don't come across as many 24 liquor shops where houses are, but there are plenty among city centre blocks. I like the fact that people actually live in city centres here as opposed to just office complexes but there is a market which caters to the baser lifestyle there as opposed to what could be considered suburban areas.

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Dec 28, 11, 13:55 #33

delphiandomine:

No Mark, that's how you live.

I'm not an American, I'm 100% Irish never even been to the USA, and the above is not my name.

delphiandomine:

Buying a new flat isn't much of a risk at the moment if you treat it as a long term thing

hahahaha, I heard that self-reassuring(denial) cliche coming from clowns back in Eire, who bought(duped) during the Celtic Tiger property ladder.

delphiandomine:

I bought a flat recently too, and I couldn't give a monkeys if the price goes up or down

pure lies

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Dec 28, 11, 14:00 #34

milky:

milky Today, 13:55 Reply / Quote #33
delphiandomine: No Mark, that's how you live.
I'm not an American, I'm 100% Irish never even been to the USA, and the above is not my name.
delphiandomine: Buying a new flat isn't much of a risk at the moment if you treat it as a long term thing
hahahaha, I heard that self-reassuring(denial) cliche coming from clowns back in Eire, who bought(duped) during the Celtic Tiger property ladder.
delphiandomine: I bought a flat recently too, and I couldn't give a monkeys if the price goes up or down
pure lies

so, Milky, let me guess you are 45 and gagging for a mortgage?

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Dec 28, 11, 14:06 #35

milky:

delphiandomine: No Mark, that's how you live.
I'm not an American, I'm 100% Irish never even been to the USA, and the above is not my name.

delphiandomine: Buying a new flat isn't much of a risk at the moment if you treat it as a long term thing
hahahaha, I heard that self-reassuring(denial) cliche coming from clowns back in Eire, who bought(duped) during the Celtic Tiger property ladder.

delphiandomine: I bought a flat recently too, and I couldn't give a monkeys if the price goes up or down
pure lies

Agree with Delph on the flat (location) issue plus the fact that when you buy as a long term investment or to live in the flat, you don't really care about the short term price evolution.. Also, the fact that, unlike what is the case in the UK, you can buy in many countries on a 20 or 25 year fixed mortgage which insulates you from the vagaries of interest rates also helps to rest one's mind on these issues..

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Edited by: delphiandomine Dec 29, 11, 06:40 #36

RevokeNice:

A much higher standard of living for your children. Anyway, what does it matter if you're not home until seven pm. Kids should be doing their homework and sports after school so they wouldnt be free, either.

Homework? Kids in Poland don't have much in the way of homework until they leave primary school, so that's 12 years of their life missed out on.

Sports? Don't be silly, maybe a couple of days a week, but that's it. And anyway, small kids won't be doing sports, and that's the most important time for the father to be around.

Anyway, I can see you're not very knowledgeable about Polish affairs - because - if you were, you'd know that the best schools aren't in the suburbs. I have a friend who lived in the city centre as a kid - when it came to high school, the best three high schools in the city were all within 10 minutes walk. If she lived in the suburbs, she'd have a nightmarish commute - especially as schools here don't follow the Anglophone model of being from 9 till 3 (for instance).

RevokeNice:

Inner city living aint pretty, when growing up.

Actually, in Poland - inner city living is much more desirable from an opportunity/education point of view for kids. There's **** all to do in the suburbs here, even worse than in the UK/Ireland. I know one example in Poznan of a very wealthy suburb, yet you must go to Poznan to do everything - there is literally nothing there, except forests and houses.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Dec 29, 11, 21:58 #37
milky: I'm not an American, I'm 100% Irish never even been to the USA, and the above is not my name. milky: Eire Nah, your a brit. No Irish person would ever refer to their nation as Eire.

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Dec 29, 11, 22:59 #38

Here is some stats regarding Poland's population growth problem:

Polands population 2010: 38,187,488
Polands population in 1998 seemed to peak at its highest point ever: close to 39,000,000

By 2050 all sources show Polands population going down.

Predictions/Projections of Polands Population 2050:

a)33,370,000
http://www.photius.com/rankings/world2050_rank.html

b)33,870,000
http://www.os-connect.com/pop/p2a.asp?whichpage=3&pagesize=20&sort=205 0

c)32,085,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_future_popu lation

Since joining the EU Polands population has fallen:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/8655206/Poland -population-dropped-by-a-million-since-joining-EU.html

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Jan 6, 12, 01:32 #39

District12a:

finally open our borders to Poor asian, african and south american nations, give the immi's a home/flat/apartment, some money make them learn polish and they should find a job

everything I agree with except this. Immigration never works. In the US Latinos don't assimilate to the U.S. culture preferring to either live in enclaves or forcing American schools to cater to them with English as a Second Language courses. Also everything is bi-lingual now in public places. Wasn't any of that 20 years ago. The "immi's" as you call them are what is destroying Europe and bringing it down faster. I am surprised you haven't seen what its done to France, Germany, and England. More like close the borders to foreigners in a last ditch attempt to save Polish culture.

English and a job! Ha. We hear those same lame arguments here. Its a pipe dream.

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,990 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Jan 6, 12, 05:58 #40
polishmancan: The "immi's" as you call them are what is destroying Europe and bringing it down faster. I agree with most of what you wrote except this. The immi's are a symptom of the problem, the problem is elected officials are instituting policies which benefit everyone but the majority. Eliminate the problem through eliminating their disdain for the voting public.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Jan 6, 12, 17:21 #41
Foreigner4: The immi's are a symptom of the problem, Very true, polishmancan: Immigration never works. In the US Ye those 'Whites' sure made a mess of the place for the Native Americans. RevokeNice: Nah, your a brit. No Irish person would ever refer to their nation as Eire. Can you explain this you daft little Brit.

ShAlEyNsTfOhThreads: 8 Posts: 232 Joined: Feb 5, 11 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 8, 12, 08:28 #42
Foreigner4: The immi's are a symptom of the problem, the problem is elected officials are instituting policies which benefit everyone but the majority. verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry true. this applies even here in Toronto for many Canadian-born locals.

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