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Poland's Vietnamese: A tough transition but they're surviving


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Thousands of Vietnamese, repressed in their home country, often try their luck abroad. For those who settle in Poland it can be a tough transition. They have to work hard simply to survive, and to grasp a difficult language. Estimates vary but most say around forty to fifty thousand Vietnamese currently live in Poland, many of them illegally, and many of them with children. So what is their life like and how do Poles feel about the Vietnames in their midst?


"I think Poles are a very tolerant society because the majority of Vietnamese here haven't got legal status so thanks to Poles we can exist here. For example, we can rent flats and children can go to school...


http://www.radio.cz/en/article/103466
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Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Lukasz  Apr 27, 08, 11:43    #2
Grzegorz_:
What ?


I think it is time for poem



"Vietnamise princess"

She was pure
But not white

She was soft
Like the night

Love is one
And
I know
That here will be

Our home

Łukasz

:)
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Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂ 		 Apr 27, 08, 13:14    #3
It is interesting how different their life looks like in different countries. conrast between Poland/France and Germany is noticable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Vietnamese
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"All in all, there are 3500 children with foreign passports in Poland"

How does Poland handle such massive numbers and still retain its traditions for tolerance?
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Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂ 		 Apr 27, 08, 15:06    #5
The real number must be tens times bigger, so keep your poor jokes for yourself...
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I heard that Poland is 3rd in Europe in terms of Vietnamese minority population, after France and Germany.
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Grzegorz_:
The real number must be tens times bigger, so keep your poor jokes for yourself...


Ditto sunshine.
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Joined: Feb 11, 07 ♂ 		 Apr 27, 08, 17:54    #8
When i was driving through Warszawa 2 years ago i heard on the radio that there are 3 vietnamese football (soccer) divisions in the city - apparently there are 50,000 vietnamese migrants in the city. I stopped at a couple of stores and got something to eat - they were quite visible everywhere.

It's quite clear that poland, like many other european countries & n. america, needs immigrants since the natural population growth is in the negatives. Orientals are a great choice; hard working and non-religious. By doing so, hopefully poland will avoid some of the culture clashes and islamic extremism seen in w. europe.
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Grzegorz_:
They have to work hard simply to survive

just like their Polish hosts....
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Poland's Vietnamese: A tough transition but they're surviving

They're having a hard time switching from the monkey and dog meat to kielbasa &
keishka...but hey, with a good pivo...
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Ship them back , they have no place in Poland
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Get out.
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Kilkline:
It's quite clear that poland, like many other european countries & n. america, needs immigrants since the natural population growth is in the negatives.



No they don't. It's simple our own can just have more kids. Russia has had major sucess with paying people to have children. Flooding any country with a permanent underclass is insane. These people in general have no manners,have horrible hygiene and no skills whatsoever. They are in general a burden on taxpayers. How many examples does europe need? Britan , Sweden , France. DIVERSITY DOES NOT WORK.
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Joined: Jun 23, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: PeterCpt  May 11, 08, 20:12    #14
I don't think Poland is all too tolerant toward foreign emigrants, maybe tourists or businessmen with $$$ but not foreigners with no money and different physical looks. Poland is a homogenous country which would be the reason I guess.

Grzegorz_:
Get out


The US should ship all those Polish bums who are there illegally too. And if enough Poles became disciplined enough not to try their luck, maybe we'd get the Visa Waiver too. Oh I don't care, I qualify for a green card anyway.

Poles have been emigrants too, and while we look like our British/American/Australian hosts we do have different customs and behaviour which many locals can rightfully find distasteful. I think the least people like Greg above could do is cut the hypocritical BS.
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PeterCpt:
I qualify for a green card anyway.


Looks like you qualify for a yellow card too... If you know what I mean...
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Szczerski:
Russia has had major sucess with paying people to have children.


Mostly degenerates are attracted by such offer and Europe needs more children from normal families. More children from pathological families this is not what old continent really need...
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Where are those vietnamese? Haven't seen many of them.
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Grzegorz_:
Looks like you qualify for a yellow card too... If you know what I mean...

That's mean to say
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Good thread by Greg. I was discussing this today, albeit in small part. They represent a major ethnic group here. There was even a guy on the televised karaoke program who did pretty well. He is from Vietnam but knew Polish fluently.
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PeterCpt:
Poles have been emigrants too

Uhh yea, but Polish people come to those countries and work hard, the ones that work illegaly work for much less than the citizens of those countries, yet in a few years have nice cars buy homes, are successfull. Some citizens that were born in those countries like minorities, had all the opertunities by being citizens and knowing the language, i'm not even gonna mention all the help they get in getting a good education or job from governmental and non governmental agencies just cause they're a minority, yet still they don't work just mooch off the country sit on wellfare have 4 ,5 ,6 kids and complain. Polish people living abraod in USA or Western Europe see this everywhere, we don't want the same thing to happen in our own country. media tries to brainwash people to feel sorry for them or to make them believe by letting them in our country we'll be doing something good for them and ourselves. Bull**it just for them. We'd be the burden bearers of all this. No thanks. That is what i love about Poland, traditional European country full of my own people, ethnic Poles, where i feel at home, not like an outsider.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 21, 09, 02:04    #21
They survive depending on what market economics dictates. They do very well given current market conditions. They survive as they have to.
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the poles have a lot to learn from the vietnamese. both are cultures of blame yet, as budhists, the viet look forward whereas the poles look back.

this offers some explanation of why the viet have got over their past hardship and look towards a bright, prosperous future... whereas the poles harp on about how hard-done-by they constanly are, and how its always someone elses fault
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I haven't seen my Vietnamese student for a while but I hope she is doing well. She tried her heart out in English and I hear in Polish too. It's good that Poland has given them an opportunity to thrive or even survive.
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BubbaWoo:
the poles have a lot to learn from the vietnamese. both are cultures of blame yet, as budhists, the viet look forward whereas the poles look back.

this offers some explanation of why the viet have got over their past hardship and look towards a bright, prosperous future... whereas the poles harp on about how hard-done-by they constanly are, and how its always someone elses fault

This is a refreshing - and insightful - reprieve from the ignorant racism evident in Szczerski's remark.

Speaking as a Canadian, I can tell you that 1) cultural diversity is an invariably positive force in any society, and 2) Asian cultures are *extremely* disciplined and value strong work ethics above all else.

Any Pole who mistreats foreigners - those struggling to learn Polish and contribute to Polish society against all odds - is a small-minded bigot who should travel more and speak less.
goodnightvienna  Feb 23, 10, 23:15    #25
Bubbawoo. I also think that your comment is very interesting. I cannot help comparing the attitudes of some cultures that have undergone recent turmoil with the Polish attitude towards themselves. In Poland there appears to be a very destructive desire for some Poles to claim some monopoly on suffering. They some how believe that it makes them in someway metaphysically superior to other nations.
The worst aspect of this is manifest in a bizarre sense of entitlement that I often meet displayed by some Poles.
I do not doubt the suffering of Poles who I have met who survided the Second World War and the immediate War Period. But 45 year olds and 20 year olds? Absolutely not.
I have lived and worked in countries where human rights are repressed and friends of mine have ended up in prison and been beaten and tortured by the authorities of those countries. I therfore have very little time for some of the faux self indulgence I sometimes encounter in Poland. Also, many foreigners in Poland are not stupid. The reason why Poles go into to such displays of self righteousness whenever a public figure is unearthed as a former informant under the communist regime is not really genuine outrage.It is a shared dirty sonscience, and a sense that the louder I protest, the less the light will shine on my activites at this time. Other nations that have gone through similar historical experiences and seek reconcilliation or redemption .I sometimes think Poles seek justice where there really is none to be found.I do not find this attitude to be mature in any way.
It is merely gauche and petulant, essentailly adolescent. I do note ,thank goodness, that it is rare to encounter these attitudes so widely among the younger generation of Poles.
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lukaszpoznanski:
Speaking as a Canadian, I can tell you that 1) cultural diversity is an invariably positive force in any society

This sounds like a fragment of a speech from an ethnic festival. The fact is that cultural diversity has its ugly sides too and it is not so "invariably" positive.
lukaszpoznanski:
2) Asian cultures are *extremely* disciplined and value strong work ethics above all else.

Yes, they are disciplined by their governments on a fairly regular basis as soon as they don't fall in line. The phenomenon is also known as "human rights abuses".

Other than that, some are hardworking, some aren't at all. Based on direct experience I can say that Asians (including Vietnamese) are perfectly capable of abusing the system like a national of any other country.

goodnightvienna:
I cannot help comparing the attitudes of some cultures that have undergone recent turmoil with the Polish attitude towards themselves. In Poland there appears to be a very destructive desire for some Poles to claim some monopoly on suffering. They some how believe that it makes them in someway metaphysically superior to other nations.
The worst aspect of this is manifest in a bizarre sense of entitlement that I often meet displayed by some Poles.
I do not doubt the suffering of Poles who I have met who survided the Second World War and the immediate War Period. But 45 year olds and 20 year olds? Absolutely not.

I think it's too late for Poles to claim some monopoly on suffering. Another nation has already established a monopoly in this business.
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Grzegorz_:
So what is their life like and how do Poles feel about the Vietnames in their midst?

The sizable Vietnamese community in Warsaw has done well. They stay out of the news, make money, and invest in the education of their children.

There is nothing more amusing than a Vitnamese kid telling you a joke, in perfect Polish, about a Polak, Rusek i Niemiec.

It's interesting that crosses in schools do not bother them nor their parents. Maybe that's why they have been welcomed; they don't demand anything but a fair start.
Peter KRK  Feb 27, 10, 20:19    #28
Nice and very inteligent people, very decent, hard working, one meter tall each one, women speaks Polish lanquage perfectly. "My" Vietnamese were cheated by Poles many times. Shame. I live close to Tandeta (Cracow's bazaar) and I know what I am saying.
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Peter KRK:
Nice and very inteligent people, very decent, hard working

True.

And in case of war we can just give them some used Kalashnikovs, shovels to dig tunnels
and send them to forests and we'll have the best partisan force ever ;)
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Wow. 50,000 Vietnamese migrants, how will Poland ever cope?

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