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Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield?

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Sep 18, 09, 21:13 #1

The medias are saying that Kazsinski and a Polish tabloid Falk said that he feels betrayed and threatened by Russia since the US are dropping the project of the missiles shield.
' The Us are too broke and busy with Iran to consider Russia as a serious threat to the free world, in my opinion.

is it true ? Do Poles really think that they could be a risk of beeing invaded again or attacked by Russia their big neighbourg?

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Sep 18, 09, 21:23 #2

I'm not in Poland, but I have a feeling that the Danilowiczes, Czarnieckis, Andrulewiczes, and Margiewiczes who stayed behind are feeling a little sick; and some of them, like Great-Granddad Czarnecki's grandparents felt, are probably ready to choke us (ah, yes; us shaygetze Yiddish kop who were good Jews until we converted to Catholicism to avoid the pogroms. Then we fled to Ellis Island and Sugar Notch, Pennsylvania to avoid their wrath. We must really be goyische traitors to them right now.).

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Sep 18, 09, 21:31 #3

It's the RIGHT WING that feels betrayed. The shield was always only backed by 50% of the population and the article I read today stated that the publics backing was decreased since then, with only 29% in favor of it.

It was a STUPID idea from the start and personally I'm very glad that it's been scratched. Poland needs to improve relations with their neighbors. As much as America likes to claim they care about Poland they do not. I've lived in America for 21 years now and can tell you first hand it's a one sided relationship. For example I had a relative that wanted to move here but there are specific quotas set on how many Poles can immigrate, on the other hand other European countries such as Czech for example do not have the same restrictions. And considering all that Poland has done for America "Poland was one of the first eastern European nations to join NATO. It opted to buy American instead of European fighter plans for its airforce in 2003 and rallied to the support of Washington during the Iraq war."

Poland has a ******** government at the moment (too right wing IMO) and this crying out that they've been betrayed is stupid. It was a stupid idea from the start and all my relatives over in Poland were against the shield idea from the start. Yes this takes some leverage away from Poland when it comes to it's dealing with neighboring countries because they no longer have America in their corner but if you didn't see this coming your a fool. Personally I'm ashamed to see stuff like "we were betrayed". I look over at the Czechs and see how they quietly sit around and wait for all the dust to settle and then get involved and wish we were more like that. Czech have always been followers and yet look at what leading has done for Poland....not much. We need to improve our relations with neighboring nations and elect a more "liberal" government. The right wing/Catholic Orthodox (even though i am Catholic) is ********. Western Europe is angered at our dealings with the US and don't have a favorable view of Poland.

TheOtherThreads: 4 Posts: 1,440 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Sep 18, 09, 21:35 #4
MarcinD: it's a one sided relationship I have to agree with that. All this talk about "key allies in eastern Europe" is just politics and as such, big BS.

ArienThreads: 6 Posts: 1,604 Joined: Oct 20, 08 ♂	Sep 18, 09, 21:44 #5
MarcinD: We need to improve our relations with neighboring nations and elect a more "liberal" government. I'd say that would definitely be a step in the right direction. (No pun intended!) :)

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Sep 18, 09, 21:50 #6

TheOther:

I have to agree with that. All this talk about "key allies in eastern Europe" is just politics and as such, big BS.

I mean what has America ever done for Poland? They didn't convince Churchill not to hand us over to the Russians after WWII and for all sakes and purposes they use Poland as a political pawn against Russia. Poland foolishly took Americas word and ran with it angering the rest of Europe. America has major financial problems at the moment and their military is strapped in two wars - so what kind of credibility does America even have right now against a Russia even if Russia did something against Poland? They don't, basically all were doing is angering our neighbors for the sake of bragging we have a buddy half way across the globe.

Let me put it this way, show me an example of America helping another country just for the sake of it. They don't, there is always a bottom line for America and if it doesn't add up they won't become involved or back you. So there is no point of being strong allies with them because they will help you either way - if it will benefit them somehow.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Sep 18, 09, 21:58 #7
there will be a shield of some sort in PL one way or another.

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 57 Posts: 2,316 Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂	Sep 18, 09, 22:08 #8
LwowskaKrakow: Do Poles really think that they could be a risk of beeing invaded again or attacked by Russia their big neighbourg? Not really...I dont feel threatened. But I am happy there is no missile defence shield. Its more trouble than cure! No Thanks!

TheOtherThreads: 4 Posts: 1,440 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Sep 18, 09, 22:14 #9
MarcinD: I mean what has America ever done for Poland? All superpowers behave(d) like that. They don't give a s**t about other nations.

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Sep 18, 09, 22:44 #10

As for WHY Poland is saying they feel betrayed is because they sent troops to Iraq on a promise that this shield would be put up and Polands government found out about the new revaluation on Czech tv. Obama didn't pick up a phone and say this is what we've decided. Although no more shield is good, the way that Poland found out and how the deal was broken (although Obama is not Bush) they indeed were betrayed. Obama should have called and told them straight up.

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: Dice Sep 18, 09, 22:44 #11
Many Poles hated US because we offered them a free missile shield. They said it was an insolt to them, what they demanded was a free shield plus lots of cash. So US changed their mind. Well now the same Poles feel insolted because US won't give them a free missile shield. Too bad. I'm just happy I wont have to pay for it with my tax dollars.

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Sep 18, 09, 22:45 #12

It's good there's no missile defence, it would have never been beneficial to us anyway. I hope that Polish politicians learn a hard lesson from this, never to trust what Americans are saying or promising you, or you risk alienating immediate neighbours and constituents. You look like a regular brown nosers with their tongues out ready for action. It will never help you to rub shoulders with the Yanks in a long run, and your own constituents might have a little more respect for you. Lookout for Number one first and your own people might start having some respect for you instead of contempt for being Americas lapdogs.. People were never keen on this idea, only our foolish politicians were a bit too eager to please. I hope that finally those days are put to rest.

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Sep 18, 09, 22:48 #13

That about sums it up, Mr Thug. Politicians have to at least try and move with the will of the people but they were just doing business. The Poles I've talked to on this issue are clearly of this belief too. There is no imminent danger here and it's insulting to Poles to say that Iran poses a threat. It's all spin and they'll never come out and admit it.

It's Israel that's sparking it up there by disproportionate killings. They didn't hit back at Israel for OCL 27/12/08-18/01/09. Israel should be thankful for that.