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Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield?


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szkotja2007Threads: 38
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Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 29, 09, 12:19    #241
Crow:
i`m curious what would happen if Medvedev lost his mind and eventualy rape Obama

Some thoughts are best kept to youself.
Crow:
what would be official Poland`s position

If he hid in France for 30 years Poland would forgive him.
CrowThreads: 367
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Joined: Feb 14, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Sep 29, 09, 12:21    #242
szkotja2007:
Some thoughts are best kept to youself.

true

szkotja2007:
If he hid in France for 30 years Poland would forgive him.

ahahahah ahahahah ahahahah
NurglitchThreads: -
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Joined: Sep 30, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: Nurglitch  Sep 30, 09, 12:05    #243
krysia
Why are there so little patriots in Poland?

It's typical of post-colonial societies. Patriotism is an idea borne mainly by the educated classes, the elite. Those were slaughtered by nazis and the Soviets pretty much to extinction and then for 45 years the nation was enslaved and metodically demoralized. No wonder it is shattered - it will take a long time to recover.


As to the Shield - I'm glad we will not be graced by it. The entire matter was absurd. The Shield is supposed to protect the USA from ICBM attacks, we would gain nothing from it, quite the opposite really. It was in the USA's interest to make a good offer, offsetting increased danger from Russia or terrorists. Instead exactly the opposite happened - Polish governments begging on their knees for the Shield to be installed here, and the US governments spitting in our faces and wiping the floor with us. It was extremely humiliating, more so because it was self-inflicted. Now Obama is in bed with Putin, may even do a tour of Russian concentration camps some day or go bear-hunting with his new best friend, the Shield is no more and good riddance.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 5, 09, 22:07    #244
Kaczyński seems to be offended. He is calling for a substitute. That little man has some balls with his tone.
szczeciniakThreads: 5
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Joined: Sep 8, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 6, 09, 07:03    #245
do they have anything to substitute?
maybe polish made rockets? from bumar
http://www.euranet.eu/eng/Today/News/English-News/Poland-ponders-own-a nti-missile-shield
szczeciniakThreads: 5
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Joined: Sep 8, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 6, 09, 15:42    #246
So instead, the Obama administration is planning to deploy in Europe the existing ship-based Aegis defense system, which is designed to intercept short- and intermediate-range missiles with a range of up to 2,000 kilometers. According to the plan, the United States will develop and field interceptors against longer-range missiles in the future.
where in Europe would it be deploy?
is this the substitute Kaczyński is calling for?
krakuskabanosThreads: 6
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Joined: Sep 23, 09 ♀ 		Edited by: krakuskabanos  Oct 8, 09, 00:08    #247
Nurglitch:
Instead exactly the opposite happened - Polish governments begging on their knees for the Shield to be installed here, and the US governments spitting in our faces and wiping the floor with us. It was extremely humiliating, m

very true.

szczeciniak:
do they have anything to substitute?
maybe polish made rockets? from bumar

maybe polish rockets in the shape of a kielbasa, mwahahahaha!
szczeciniakThreads: 5
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Joined: Sep 8, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 8, 09, 11:42    #248
krakuskabanos:
in the shape of a kielbasa

haha
as long it is not in the shape of boomerang!!
queenjlo2003  Oct 31, 09, 17:58    #249
I'm American and i feel betrayed!
MareGaeaThreads: 45
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Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 31, 09, 18:27    #250
LwowskaKrakow:
Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield?

Poles feel betrayed by everyone :)

>^..^<

M-G (fireworks continue for the kids)
scrappletonThreads: -
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Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 31, 09, 18:31    #251
MareGaea:
Poles feel betrayed by everyone

Yep.. pretty much.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Seanus  Oct 31, 09, 18:34    #252
Yup, have to agree here.

Have just heard that Hillary Clinton is in the ME. It's bad to say but I hope sb shakes her up. She has NO intention of bringing about a 2-state solution and I HATE her insincerity. I hope she gets physically booted out and sent home for being smarmy and insincere.

If she starts gibbering about the shield again, she should be slapped very hard :)
Chicago PollockThreads: 10
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Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂ 		 Apr 20, 10, 08:08    #253
Kasynski (sp?) requested missile system from Bush. Now that he's dead no need for missile system.
grubasThreads: 20
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No,most of the Poles don't want to be America's shield.
PibwlThreads: -
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grubas:
No,most of the Poles don't want to be America's shield.


Right. I don't.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Apr 20, 10, 08:56    #256
Well, Kaczyński likely didn't request it actually as he allowed the negotiations to become protracted. It was Sikorski that eventually signed it through PO.

Poles don't mind. It is far better now without it and with Russia's partnership in resolving issues.
Chicago PollockThreads: 10
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Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂ 		 Apr 20, 10, 15:36    #257
The Kaczynski's were Bush puppets.

If his death wasn't an accident (I don't know if it was or not) that's probably why he died.
OlafThreads: 8
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Joined: Oct 29, 09  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Apr 20, 10, 15:50    #258
Having this system installed in Poland would give this country nothing but trouble: this would instantly cause Russia to direct a some of their missiles to Poland. Also it will not protect Polish teritory nor their neighbours so why the heck get into prospective trouble with Russia and tighten the relationships (language of diplomacy calls this actually butt-kissing) with the US instead with some European countries. For now it seems that Polish foreign politics are aspiring to make Poland the 51st state, regardless of the relationships in the rest of Europe.
I share the rather sceptic views of prof. Roman Ku¼niar on that, he's an expert in this field
lowfunk99Threads: 18
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Joined: Jan 7, 08 ♂ 		 Apr 20, 10, 16:02    #259
Olaf:
this would instantly cause Russia to direct a some of their missiles to Poland



I am sure they already have missiles aimed at Poland. What would a few more do?
OlgaThreads: 2
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Joined: Apr 12, 10 ♀ 		 Apr 20, 10, 16:07    #260
Are you not aware that U.S. Patriot missiles to be deployed in Poland within weeks??? The missile defence shield was simply amended, not withdrawn.

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/world/detail/64378/

No motive, you say?
OlafThreads: 8
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Joined: Oct 29, 09  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Apr 20, 10, 16:09    #261
Who knows [Putin does;)]? Right now I guess there are little or no missiles and there'll be a hundred if the shield stands. But I assume they will not be used - what I mean is that together with the missiles the politics will change and talks with Russia will be different i.e. worse.
szkotja2007Threads: 38
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Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂ 		 Apr 20, 10, 16:10    #262
Defence shield my ass - Patriots had a 10% "success" rate against Saddams ancient Scuds.

As reported by US - the actual figure may be lower.
JedThreads: -
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Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: Jed  Apr 20, 10, 16:20    #263
I believe if Poles will feel safer with U.S. Patriot missiles - why not? It's always easier to talk if the partner feels safe. From pure military point of view there is nothing changed.

Global missile defense system put Russia in unsafe position degrading our strategic forces.

It's positions in Poland would really be a danger for Poles also - (1) putting them as a target for nucs and (2) anti-misssile missiles launch looks on radars too similar to ordinary nuc missiles and may trigger a war even when used against Iran.
mafketisThreads: 17
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Apr 20, 10, 16:30    #264
Haven't read the whole thread or anything, but my anegdotal evidence:

I haven't spoken with that many Polish people about this topic (and when I have it's been a transitory kind of topic) but not a single person I've spoken wanted the US shield.

My sample leans _heavily_ toward the urban and well-educated.

My first, best guess is this is a policy question that Pollish people who live elsewhere feel most strongly in favor of.

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