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 Oct 23, 11, 12:15    #1
The Sejm crucifix dispute aside, Poland's leftist-liberal and anarcho-libertine cricles are constantly going on about the Chruch interfering in politics. If a priest tells worshippers who to vote for, either by name, party or even a broad hint ('A Catholic cannot in good conscience vote for anyone who favours killing the unborn' - par example) the whole motely crew of lefties are up in arms adn foaming at the mouth. What is a shopkeeper tells a customer which party deserves support. Or a unviersity professor in a lecture hall does, or Joe the plumber, etc., etc.? Despite all the rumpus and hubbub, neither the Constuituion nor the penal code expressly ban any citizen expressing their poltiical views or preferences. And that's all a priest is doing, be it from the pulpit, at the rectory or on the street. Of course, the lefties are laso free ot harp but it is a lie if they suggest clergy expressing poltical views violate the constitution.
The Church itself bans clergy standing for public office, but the law of the land does not forbid it. Afro-Pole MP Godson, a Protestant clergyman, is a case in point.

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 Oct 23, 11, 12:19    #2
Polonius3:
laso free ot harp

Journalist?
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 Oct 23, 11, 12:34    #3
I'm a rohibble pytist nad too lazy ot use the sepllcheck for PF contribtuoins.
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 Oct 23, 11, 14:49    #4
I think we should ban the Cross from all public places. Now, who gave that bloke Sigismund the right to brazenly wave that cross at us from up on his column, eh? He wanted to insult us all, didn't he? Bleedin' typical of all these peole wanting to build some sort of society - not the sort of thing one should believe in is it? Nah - we should all claim our rights to insult the majority view that's been inculcated in us for centuries and that has become part of our way of thinking in an unacceptable way. And those Swiss fellas with their flag! They should change it immediately.

Or is all this a smokescreen for the Govt having run out of cash?
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 Oct 23, 11, 15:16    #5
Actually, Polonius - if you were in Poland, you'd know that some of the most vocal opponents of Church interference are actually members of the Catholic Church. I know quite a few, and many of them will steer clear of any place where politics are brought into mass.
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 Oct 23, 11, 15:26    #6
delphiandomine:
some of the most vocal opponents of Church interference are actually members of the Catholic Church.

Not vocal enough, but true. I know loyal church-going Catholics who feel that their religion is debased and cheapened by clerical interference in the grubby world of politics.

Polonius3:
Despite all the rumpus and hubbub, neither the Constuituion nor the penal code expressly ban any citizen expressing their poltiical views or preferences.

Fair enough.
Polonius3:
And that's all a priest is doing, be it from the pulpit, at the rectory or on the street.

You can't really believe that. The priest who electioneers from his pulpit is abusing his position as a pastor and social leader. Let him express his private political opinions when he is among friends, by all means; he is, after all, a citizen, but he should leave his politics outside the church. If he does not, he might find fewer people in the pews. Remember Ireland.
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 Oct 23, 11, 15:31    #7
Polonius3:
What is a shopkeeper tells a customer which party deserves support. Or a unviersity professor in a lecture hall does, or Joe the plumber, etc., etc.?



Shopkeepers, lecturers and plumbers pay tax, so they're free to voice their opinion on the system they pay for...
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 Oct 23, 11, 16:01    #8
Polonius3:
What is a shopkeeper tells a customer which party deserves support. Or a unviersity professor in a lecture hall does, or Joe the plumber, etc., etc.?

Do shopkeepers, lecturers or plumbers claim divine inspiration or absolute truth? For that matter, have you ever met any that claim to hold the key to life after death?
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 Oct 23, 11, 16:23    #9
teflcat:
The priest who electioneers from his pulpit is abusing his position as a pastor and social leader. Let him express his private political opinions when he is among friends, by all means; he is, after all, a citizen, but he should leave his politics outside the church. If he does not, he might find fewer people in the pews

Yes!
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 Oct 23, 11, 17:12    #10
JonnyM:
Do shopkeepers, lecturers or plumbers claim divine inspiration or absolute truth? For that matter, have you ever met any that claim to hold the key to life after death?

Some do...........then the men in white arrive.............hopefully before they have completed their diaries.
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 Nov 2, 11, 19:56    #11
Polonius3:
The Sejm crucifix dispute aside, Poland's leftist-liberal and anarcho-libertine cricles are constantly going on about the Chruch interfering in politics. If a priest tells worshippers who to vote for, either by name, party or even a broad hint ('A Catholic cannot in good conscience vote for anyone who favours killing the unborn' - par example) the whole motely crew of lefties are up in arms adn foaming at the mouth. What is a shopkeeper tells a customer which party deserves support. Or a unviersity professor in a lecture hall does, or Joe the plumber, etc., etc.? Despite all the rumpus and hubbub, neither the Constuituion nor the penal code expressly ban any citizen expressing their poltiical views or preferences. And that's all a priest is doing, be it from the pulpit, at the rectory or on the street. Of course, the lefties are laso free ot harp but it is a lie if they suggest clergy expressing poltical views violate the constitution.
The Church itself bans clergy standing for public office, but the law of the land does not forbid it. Afro-Pole MP Godson, a Protestant clergyman, is a case in point.


Polonius, you answer your own question...Some are anti-Church, anti-Christ...What you expect from such quarters?
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 Nov 2, 11, 19:59    #12
Barney:
then the men in white arrive..

Looks like it's time for them to turn up now.



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