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Edited by: skysoulmate  May 19, 10, 07:19    #61
guzzler:
I agree with what you say people have to take ownership of this protest themselves Which I have done today not as a Pole but as an Irishman I have written to the "Parade Magazine" stating my protest. I have never been to Auschwitz-Birkenau so I know nothing about the tour and I don't know if it is directed mainly at the Jewish victims and if the other victims are forgotten about. My friend was in a Nazi concentration camp and she told me about the lines of huts they were they were housed in mostly AK prisoners. And the terrible conditions they had to endure the starvation which caused their teeth to fall out and their periods to stop. She told me about an all woman orchestra that played at the camp I discovered only last week that Zorya was at Birkenau because that was the only camp with an all lady orchestra. She may have told me the name and I had forgotten It was over fifty years ago since she told me and she is no longer with us. I am now crying thinking of this and the insult to her and my other friends. I will stop now because I find it difficult to see the screen.



It was a terrible, terrible time that we cannot even imagine. Frankly the whole idea of what nationality suffered the most is so irrelevant. Had Hitler gotten his way all Jews and all central European Slavs would've been exterminated sooner or later. The Soviets/Russians would've made sure that whatever was left of Poles would've been sent to the Gulags or killed of in the Ljubljanka prison and the Nazis would've gone after the Russians untile they're all gone.... Ironically the Nazi and the Soviet ideologies were so close. The sad part is that as much as people suffered under Nazi Germany it pales when compared to the Soviet tyranny yet that past of WWII is seldom even talked about.

My main point is that if you look at the whole picture, the many generations of the Polish/Jewish interaction, it was overwhelmingly a good and a positive interaction with respect on both sides. The distrust and in some cases hate and vengeance became a later phenomenon. We need to go back to the time Jews and Poles trusted each other and cherished and appreciated the same neighborhoods. More things unite than divide the two communities.

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Bzibzioh:
I also, twice, had a conversation with journalists about this issue. One was completely oblivious of what my problem is - camps were in Poland so they are Polish camps. Another said that the article was a reprint from a British press so it's not their problem (it was review of some book). But I noticed that they stopped using this phrase since.



Good BZ. Imagine if 100 Bzibziohs and 100 skysoulmates had called, emailed, faxed the very same journalists all on the same day. This forum alone has more power than we realize...

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Edited by: plk123  May 19, 10, 07:34    #62
skysoulmate:
Had Hitler gotten his way all Jews and all central European Slavs would've been exterminated sooner or later.

not really.. he wasn't really bent on killing all poles.. hell, he stole polish children whom had blue eyes and blond hair and made them german.. that is not exterminating all slavs..
skysoulmate:
The Soviets/Russians would've made sure that whatever was left of Poles would've been sent to the Gulags or killed of in the Ljubljanka prison. The sad part is that as much as people suffered under Nazi Germany it pales when compared to the Soviet tyranny yet that past of WWII is seldom even talked about.

right on though

skysoulmate:

Good BZ. Imagine if 100 Bzibziohs and 100 skysoulmates had called, emailed, faxed the very same journalists all on the same day.

and every time these jokers in the UK print "polish death camps" the poles go ape sh.t and flood them with complaints... almost always the publications correct the issue but it seems to repeat and repeat time after time.. not sure what gives..

since i've been on this forum, there has been countless of these articles brought up and i bet only part of what is printed ever makes it to the forums..
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 May 19, 10, 07:42    #63
plk123:
he wasn't really bent on killing all poles.

German Nazi planners had in November 1939 called for "the complete destruction" of all Poles.[208] "All Poles", Heinrich Himmler swore, "will disappear from the world". The Polish state under German occupation was to be cleared of ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[209] Of the Poles, by 1952 only about 3–4 million of them were to be left in the former Poland, and only to serve as slaves for German settlers. They were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles would cease to exist. On August 22, 1939, about one week before the onset of the war, Hitler "prepared, for the moment only in the East, my 'Death's Head' formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need."[210]

That's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#Ethnic_Poles they had such ideas at first. Far from bent on killing..
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 May 19, 10, 08:06    #64
frd:
my 'Death's Head' formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children of Polish descent or language.

yet that is not what they did.. so that is why i said what i said.. they may have wished but then didn't even try.. not that i am not glad they failed or were too lazy..
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 May 19, 10, 09:01    #65
skysoulmate:
The sad part is that as much as people suffered under Nazi Germany it pales when compared to the Soviet tyranny yet that past of WWII is seldom even talked about.


Interesting article:


A Hidden History of Evil
Why doesn’t anyone care about the unread Soviet archives?
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_soviet-archives.html
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 May 19, 10, 09:35    #66
plk123:
yet that is not what they did.. so that is why i said what i said.. they may have wished but then didn't even try.. not that i am not glad they failed or were too lazy..

nah you said he wasn't bent while he was bent and he intended to do so, Whatever the outcome was... just clarifying what you've said earlier :)
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 May 19, 10, 09:38    #67
he wanted to be bent but really wasn't. :)
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 May 23, 10, 19:41    #68
MediaWatch:
Why didn't the media promote this image of the Jews?


Because it is not in the interest of the Jews.
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 May 24, 10, 09:19    #69
Polish American Congress gives CBS a lesson in Holocaust history


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/23526
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 24, 10, 09:24    #70
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The PAC also made it clear that those who felt most insulted were survivors of the German concentration camps and were mistreated there by the SS. They thought CBS was just as racist as the Germans by trying “to depict Polish people as mentally deficient and intellectually inferior.”

*rolls eyes*

Funny to see Poles milking now the Holocaust as the Jews are used to...
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 May 24, 10, 09:29    #71
Bratwurst Boy:
*rolls eyes*

hey.. poles are good with guilting so that was a heck of good way of guilting the couple of jews in charge. lol
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 May 24, 10, 09:31    #72
You are not outraged enough. Stick your tongue out and tilt your head too. :)
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 24, 10, 09:31    #73
plk123:
hey.. poles are good with guilting so that was a heck of good way of guilting the couple of jews in charge. lol


Heh:)

I wonder how they felt getting some of their own medicine...;)

*wonders if Germans can do the same if there are again those anti-german slurs in the media...hmmm*
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 May 24, 10, 09:36    #74
Bratwurst Boy:

*wonders if Germans can do the same if there are again those anti-german slurs in the media...hmmm*

unless they are catholic, it won't work.. only poles and catholics know how to pull a guilt trip successfully. lol besides, when is there ever anything anti-germani in the media? ;)
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 24, 10, 09:40    #75
plk123:
when is there ever anything anti-germani in the media? ;)


Oh come on...the stormtroopers in Star Wars ?(but they are cool) All the Nazi-zombie movies ???(but they are cool too) WAR MOVIES in general???
Hell they make us lose all the time (not to mention putting our soldiers as idiots...you know...allied soldier needs one bullet to kill 100 Germans whereas the German needs 100 bullets to still get killed by the allied soldier).

We have enough to complain about! hmpf
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 May 24, 10, 09:44    #76
Bratwurst Boy:
WAR MOVIES in general???

well, the krauts started a couple of big ones... what do you expect?

Bratwurst Boy:
Hell they make us lose all the time

well, did you win either one?

Bratwurst Boy:
the stormtroopers in Star Wars

ok i could give you that one but then they are wearing white, no? ;)
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 May 24, 10, 09:51    #77
Bratwurst Boy:
Oh come on...the stormtroopers in Star Wars ?(but they are cool) All the Nazi-zombie movies ???(but they are cool too) WAR MOVIES in general???
Hell they make us lose all the time (not to mention putting our soldiers as idiots...you know...allied soldier needs one bullet to kill 100 Germans whereas the German needs 100 bullets to still get killed by the allied soldier).

We have enough to complain about!


Bratwurst boy,

How do the strormtroopers in StarWars make Germans look bad?

Also Darth Vader with his Nazi German shaped helmet was a cool dude who ended up being a hero in the movie. Many Star Wars fans liked him. They thought Darth Vader was cool. So that indirectly makes Germans look cool. No?

I don't think Star Wars makes Germans look bad at all.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 24, 10, 09:58    #78
MediaWatch:
Also Darth Vader with his Nazi German shaped helmet was a cool dude who ended up being a hero in the movie. Many Star Wars fans liked him. They thought Darth Vader was cool. So that indirectly makes Germans look cool. No?


...just saying...

plk123:
well, did you win either one?


Oh please...we are talking about HOLLYWOOD! They have no qualms to change other's peoples history either...a tiny bit...now and then...


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