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What Polish diaspora need and expect from Poland, from Poles in Poland?

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Edited by: Crow Aug 3, 10, 17:02 #1
very interesting question, i believe. Let us talk or even better- let Poles talk. Poles from inside and from outside of Poland.

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Aug 12, 10, 19:56 #2

We expect from Poles to not to be racists as they are, according to the comments posted on "interia.pl", "wp.pl" , "onet.pl" etc.

All comments indicate that most Polish citizens hate everyone around, they hate Americans, Jews, Arabs, Catholics and themselves. These portals claim that comments can be posted after moderator apporved this , it means that is what they support officially...

I guess most of these posts are published by ex-communists and their kids.

sobieskiThreads: 80 Posts: 1,121 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 19:58 #3
Crow: very interesting question, i believe. Let us talk or even better- let Poles talk. Poles from inside and from outside of Poland. You mean, like a Serb Ottoman asking this question ?

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 21:39 #4
sobieski its just sad to me when idiot uses nick name such is `sobieski`. Other is fine. You have right to satisfy your idiotism. Even publicly

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 21:44 #5
What we need? Not sure I understand your question?

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Aug 12, 10, 21:49 #6

Crow, what would be your answer? Remember that the Polish diaspora has spread far and wide. Poles tend not to treat one another that well in the UK from hearsay. It's a dog-eat-dog world for many. Also, no offence but Serbia hardly treated Kosovan Serbs that well either. They left them out on a limb and let them fend for themselves. When you move away from your own kind and move back, they treat you differently. I was called 'The Oriental Boy' when I came back from Japan (by college teachers). I felt like punching those old cnuts off their chairs and wiping the grin off of their faces.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 21:52 #7
skysoulmate: What we need? Not sure I understand your question? What you feel that Poland needs to do (what kind of regime, politics, etc.) in order to satisfy its diaspora?

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Aug 12, 10, 21:59 #8

I think many Poles are satisfied just to be away from Poland and I mean that in a good way. They can carve out a better life elsewhere. Why should Tusk worry about them when they are resourceful enough to make sth of themselves elsewhere? Ever heard of an expat policy, Crow? I haven't!

It is more Serbia that needs to address this issue, Crow. They were overly focussed on domestic issues and some Kosovan Serbs couldn't even eat due to oppressive Albanian policies in Kosovo. I don't think an independent future Scottish government would allow that in its surrounding islands.

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Aug 12, 10, 22:21 #9

Seanus:

Crow, what would be your answer? Remember that the Polish diaspora has spread far and wide.

simplistically speaking..

imagine what would happen to Poland if all those Poles abroad expect that Poland become same or similar to the all those countries where they live and rise their children?

and they could expect exactly that. For all kind of reasons. For example, Poles in USA could expect that Poland adopt English language as official just because it can suits to business interests of Polish diaspora in USA. Same could be desire of Polish diaspora in Canada, Australia. Poles who live in Germany might desire that Poland adopt German language as official. Poles abroad may expect that Polish government coordinate with governments of countries where live Polish diaspora, again because of particular interests of Polish diaspora in general or of some circles inside of Polish diaspora. But, are those particular interests identical with interests of Poles in Poland?

Seanus:

Serbia

Serbia also has wide spread and numerous diaspora. For example, more then 300.000 Serbs live in Chicago, USA.

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Aug 12, 10, 22:27 #10

Crow, there has always been and always will be interest groups and they contribute to the shaping of political developments. However, that's all they do. Business concerns are paramount as we know. However, the Polish goverment should let things take their own course. Look at the proposed Moosin MMA event for the 9th of Oct. They want Mariusz Pudzianowski to fight in Chicago as they know that he will draw in the Polish contingent. He fought against Tim Sylvia in Massachussets (in the NE), an eastern boy in the US, and he had 60% of the crowd. Sylvia had less support amongst his own people. They can enjoy a show without expecting any more.

Do you know where Chicago-based Poles send most of their money, Crow? Any idea?

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 22:39 #11
Seanus: Do you know where Chicago-based Poles send most of their money, Crow? Any idea? i hope that they invest in Poland or Serbia, at least.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 22:44 #12
It's largely sent back to Zakopane, a beautiful mountainous part of Poland that you may have heard of, Crow. That's why you see lovely villas and 'chaty' there :) They have many relatives there and it's a touristic hotspot here in Poland. Góraly mieszkają tam :) :) You'd love Polish highlanders, Crow :) Full of spirit :) :)

eaglesdaughter

Aug 10, 11, 16:23 #13

I am the daughter of two WW2 Diaspora Poles. I visited Poland in the early 2000s with my father. Poland is beautiful. We stayed with relatives (dad's brother). They provided super hospitality in the form of sleeping accommodations and food. My aunt is a gourmet cook. They showed us Cracow and Warsaw, which also was beautiful.

However, when I called my dad's brother "wujek" (uncle), he laughed at me and gave me a look like, "Get real." (!) Also, my dad had been very generous (money-wise) to his brother and family in the past, giving substantial cash gifts which enabled my dad's brother to build a good house in Poland. My aunt went out of her way to concoct a story that they had held onto the U.S. dollars so long they depreciated and were worthless. (In other words, that the Polish family alone had accomplished building their home by themselves.) I truly disliked that she attempted to diminish my dad's contribution. She didn't succeed however as Dad and I both knew she was lying. Also, except for a half-sister of my Dad's and the employees at a place where my uncle had worked, my aunt and uncle didn't introduce us to any of their extended friends/family.

The other thing I really disliked was how, during our visit, they made it obvious they wanted more of Dad's cash. Being the generous person he was, he had intended to give them a significant amount of money at the end of our stay. They gave signals of disgruntlement and Dad, who read their body language easily, ended up giving them chunks of money every couple of days. It was gross and shameful on their part. THey were doing quite well at that point and didn't need to shake my Dad down like that. If they had had true brotherly/family love for Dad, they would have refused his money. I still correspond with them (cards at Christmas and Easter), but I feel cool toward them for treating Dad like that. Dad, of course, took it all in stride. As a Diaspora Pole deported from Poland forcibly by the Soviets in WW2, he'd seen the worst of human nature and nothing was a surprise. But I remain offended on his behalf. He deserved more honor and gratitude from his brother and family, and less of their viewing him as a source of cash.

pipThreads: 7 Posts: 938 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♀	Aug 10, 11, 17:32 #14
it is nothing new I am afraid. My husbands family is the same way. His aunt is a horrible horrible mean old hag with no amount of goodness in her crotchety old body. a lot of it comes from communism and having to fight and find everything.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 10, 11, 17:42 #15
Communism certainly reared such grouchy sorts. I don't think they can expect any help from good-minded people. Crow, Poles earn enough in America to help build things for their families back here.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,148 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂	Aug 10, 11, 18:44 #16
The Polish diaspora doesn't need anything from Poland. We expect that Poland will remember her history and help the downtrodden in Poland as well as in the international area.

f stopThreads: 28 Posts: 2,682 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Aug 10, 11, 18:57 #17
What Polish diaspora need ...??? I'm beginning to dislike that word: diaspora. Crows pet word. I don't think it is meant to indicate people, but the movement of people, first of all. And why not exodus? dispersion? migration?

pipThreads: 7 Posts: 938 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♀	Aug 10, 11, 19:03 #18
i think you guys need to read the new post of today. it doesn't have much to do with the op. why do so many posts get merged?? it really alters the temat of the post.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,148 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂	Edited by: Des Essientes Aug 10, 11, 19:42 #19
F-Stop diaspora literally means dispersal of seeds. I will grant it is a bit phallocentric, but it is still an apt word to describe Polonia. Did you know that after the USA the largest group of Polonia in any country is in Brazil? Just imagine how many cool, laid-back, samba dancing Polonians we never hear from here because this is an English language forum rather than a Portugese one.

f stopThreads: 28 Posts: 2,682 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Edited by: f stop Aug 10, 11, 23:17 #20
I've been eyeing Brazil for a while now. I'd love to spend some time there.

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