How Polish diaspora see future of Poland? as ethnic Polish state or just Polish in origin?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 4, 12, 11:11 #91
delphiandomine: Sometimes, I wonder by their lack of knowledge of Polish and Poland - that they might actually be anti-Polish types. It would certainly explain the clueless ranting. It would also explain why they have a habit of posting foul racist abuse which Poles would feel ashamed of if it was said by another Pole. They clearly are trying to do damage to the image of Poland!

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Edited by: MediaWatch Jan 4, 12, 12:17 #92

Harry:

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated

Well done. You just proved for the umpteemth time what an anti-Polish Bigot you are.

You just basically claimed that Poland being whiped off the map by Germany and Russia from 1795-1917 and again from 1939-1945, did not constitute Polish territory being occupied and no Poles being discriminated against.

That's because in your anti-Polish mind, a "good Poland" is a Poland that does not exist and the hell with the ethnic Poles in occupied territory being oppressed by two other nations.

But what else can anyone expect from Silly Harry and his ingrained anti-Polish biases?

Harry:

Remind us of all the things which you have done for Poland. Other, of course, than making Poland a much nicer place by never ever coming here.

Yeah dream on. The last person I have to prove anything to is somebody like yourself.

Harry:

Do you talk about it while eating Busia Sofia's golumpkies and pierogies?

You and your fellow Poland-Basher Delphiadomine keep talking about this "Busia" thing. I have never heard this word (that you and Delph dreamed up) so you mind telling me what it means???

delphiandomine:

I get the impression that the Polish-Americans see enemies where Poland doesn't. Another great sign of how they're totally out of touch with (as they say) - "Polish reality".

This is code for:

I Delphiadomine want to bash Poles with impunity and I get offended when people of Polish ancestry challenge my Polish-bashing.

delphiandomine:

Remember, he defends Poland on the internet. Poland doesn't want/need defending, but he doesn't let that little matter stop him.

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Jan 4, 12, 12:54 #93

MediaWatch:

You just basically claimed that Poland being whiped off the map by Germany and Russia from 1795-1917 and again from 1939-1945, did not constitute Polish territory being occupied and no Poles being discriminated against.

Really? Perhaps you could quote from the post in which make any such claim? Either that or just admit that, as usual, you are lying.

MediaWatch:

That's because in your anti-Polish mind, a "good Poland" is a Poland that does not exist and the hell with the ethnic Poles in occupied territory being oppressed by two other nations.

And again, perhaps you could quote from the post in which make any such statement or suggestion? Either that or just admit that, as usual, you are lying.

MediaWatch:

You and your fellow Poland-Basher Delphiadomine

You mean me and another person who chooses to live in Poland and to work for the good of Poland. Do feel most free to now tell us what you have ever done for Poland.

Frankly the racist idiocy which you spout on a regular basis very much shows that you are attempting to blacken the good name of Poland. I suspect that you are actually a Russian immigrant to the USA who has decided to try to damage Poland by any means possible. Unfortunately for you, those of us who work for Poland will certainly stand up for Poland.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Jan 4, 12, 12:59 #94
MediaWatch: You just basically claimed that Poland being whiped off the map by Germany and Russia from 1795-1917 and again from 1939-1945, did not constitute Polish territory being occupied It didn't. Being occupied has a strict definition - to do with diplomatic recognition. Poland was partitioned. That's why we in Poland call it 'Rozbiory' not 'Okupacja'.

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Edited by: MediaWatch Jan 4, 12, 13:31 #95

Harry:

Really? Perhaps you could quote from the post in which make any such claim? Either that or just admit that, as usual, you are lying.

Harry:

And again, perhaps you could quote from the post in which make any such statement or suggestion? Either that or just admit that, as usual, you are lying.

No Harry you are the liar.

Are you trying to deny that you said Poland was not being occupied and Poles were not being discriminated against when I said Poland was being occupied from 1795-1917 and in WWII?

Well then look at my message #88 (top part) and your response to it in message #89. Here let me refresh your memory.

This is what I said in message 88:

Better yet, Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries.

This is how you responded.

Harry:

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated

You have a lot of nerve accusing me of lying when you are lying through your teeth.

JonnyM:

It didn't. Being occupied has a strict definition - to do with diplomatic recognition. Poland was partitioned. That's why we in Poland call it 'Rozbiory' not 'Okupacja'.

Yes I'm sure if you spoke to the leaders of Poland and the average Polish person they would say Poland was not occupied during the partitions or being discriminated against. LMAO!!!!

Man are you nuts.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Jan 4, 12, 13:40 #96

JonnyM:

It didn't. Being occupied has a strict definition - to do with diplomatic recognition. Poland was partitioned. That's why we in Poland call it 'Rozbiory' not 'Okupacja'.

And this is exactly why they haven't got a clue. I suspect they don't even know the Polish words in question, let alone the definition.

MediaWatch:

I Delphiadomine want to bash Poles with impunity and I get offended when people of Polish ancestry challenge my Polish-bashing.

"I, MediaWatch, proudly declare my intention to defend Poland on the internet from people living in Poland. Such people are an insult to Busia Sofia and her golumpkies, and I shall do my best to make Poland seem like a backwards, racist country like it was when Busia Sofia left".

MediaWatch:

Yes I'm sure if you spoke to the leaders of Poland and the average Polish person they would say Poland was not occupied during the partitions

My, that shows how little you know about Poland.

Nowhere in Poland is it taught that the country was "occupied" after the partitions - it was partitioned, it's as simple as that. Occupation refers to WW2 and to the PRL era, not the partitioned era.

Seeing as you claim to know Polish - why is it http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rozbiory_Polski and not Okupacja?

Of course - if you claim that it was an occupation, then you directly support the theory of Czech ultranationalists, who will have you believe that Poland occupied Czechoslovakia. Yet again - proof that you haven't got a clue.

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Edited by: Harry Jan 4, 12, 13:41 #97

MediaWatch:

Better yet, Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries.

This is how you responded.

Harry: Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated

You have a lot of nerve accusing me of lying when you are lying through your teeth.

Perhaps you could tell me which Polish territory is occupied by Russians or Germans at present? The selective edit which you perform on my post shows that you are trying to change what I said to what I did not say.

MediaWatch:

Are you trying to deny that you said Poland was not being occupied and Poles were not being discriminated against when I said Poland was being occupied from 1795-1917 and in WWII?

As is quite clearly shown by my quote which you edited, I use present tenses. You are using past tenses. So yes, I do deny that I said Poland was not being occupied and Poles were not being discriminated against. And I can support my statement with a quote. Such a pity that you have nothing with which to support your latest lies.

delphiandomine:

Poland seem like a backwards, racist country like it was when Busia Sofia left

That is entirely unfair: Poland was neither a backwards nor a racist country when Busia Sofia left. It could not have been (it wasn't a country then).

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Edited by: Sobieski1 Jan 4, 12, 13:48 #98

delphiandomine
Who you and what is your opinion worth dont start thinking that the majority of polish people agree with your left anti nationalist rubbish many polish see what is happening across europe and thankfully are clever enough to see the destruction of nationalism on a massive scale unlike the nations that collanised africa. france, britain ect poland has no guilt on these issues and can kindly say no to mass immigration of races that have destroyed nationalistic pride across western europe and as for americans with a sense of nationalist pride the majority came from imprisoning the locals in america and turning them into slaves no american has nationalistic pride to speak of the whole country is immigrants

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Jan 4, 12, 13:58 #99

Harry:

Perhaps you could tell me which Polish territory is occupied by Russians or Germans at present? The selective edit which you perform on my post shows that you are trying to change what I said to what I did not say.

There is no selected edit on my part.

Its quite simple. I talked about Poland being occupied in two different times in history and you responded by saying basically: "Poland was not occupied and Poles were not disriminated against".

If you want to talk about things in the present, then WHY would you respond to a statement I'm making about the PAST?? Are you retarded?

There is NO selected editing here. I talked about something and you clearly responded to it and were hence caught in a lie. Now you're trying to talk your way out of it accusing me of "selective editing". Give me a break.

Harry:

As is quite clearly shown by my quote which you edited, I use present tenses. You are using past tenses. So yes, I do deny that I said Poland was not being occupied and Poles were not being discriminated against. And I can support my statement with a quote. Such a pity that you have nothing with which to support your latest lies.

No its clearly a pity that you have to accuse other people of that which you do all the time. Lie.

So if I'm CLEARLY talking about two periods in time in the PAST about how Poland was being occupied and being discriminated against, WHY IN THE WORLD would you give me a direct answer that has NOTHING to do with the subject matter I'm talking about?

Are you hallucinating about what you see in messages? Is your mind working OK?

ShAlEyNsTfOhThreads: 8 Posts: 232 Joined: Feb 5, 11 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 4, 12, 14:01 #100
Sobieski1: polish see what is happening across europe and thankfully are clever enough to see the destruction of nationalism on a massive scale TRUTH. we Poles are not stupid nor blind. Thanks.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 4, 12, 14:03 #101
ShAlEyNsTfOh: we Poles are not stupid nor blind. "we Poles"....hahahaha. When you contribute to Poland and actually do something to help this country, perhaps you can call yourself Polish then. Till then, you're just another foreigner.

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Jan 4, 12, 14:11 #102

MediaWatch:

Its quite simple. I talked about Poland being occupied in two different times in history and you responded by saying basically: "Poland was not occupied and Poles were not disriminated against".

If you want to talk about things in the present, then WHY would you respond to a statement I'm making about the PAST??

Your post actually says "Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries." So you do talk about the present. My reply was "no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against". So I did not say 'Poland was not occupied and Poles were not disriminated against'.

Such a pity that you feel the need to lie about what I said and what you said, but unfortunately it is not in the least of a surprise.

MediaWatch:

So if I'm CLEARLY talking about two periods in time in the PAST about how Poland was being occupied and being discriminated against, WHY IN THE WORLD would you give me a direct answer that has NOTHING to do with the subject matter I'm talking about?

As noted above, you actually say "and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries". So I replied about today. Please stop lying.

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Edited by: MediaWatch Jan 4, 12, 14:47 #103

Harry:

Your post actually says "Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries." So you do talk about the present. My reply was "no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against". So I did not say 'Poland was not occupied and Poles were not disriminated against'.

Such a pity that you feel the need to lie about what I said and what you said, but unfortunately it is not in the least of a surprise.

No you're the liar

I said this:

Better yet, Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries.
How Polish diaspora see future of Poland? as ethnic Polish state or just Polish in origin?

AND THIS IS YOUR RESPONSE???????

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be the territory of another nation and discriminating against the unfortunate people who lived on their own territory; that is stunningly good work.
How Polish diaspora see future of Poland? as ethnic Polish state or just Polish in origin?

I'm clearly making the major point of referencing Poland's past of being occupied and discriminated against and then secondarily comparing it to how today Poland has diplomatic relations with those past occupiers and you come up with your above incoherent response??

But to be fair here, why don't you explain to me how you came up with your answer:

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be the territory of another nation and discriminating against the unfortunate people who lived on their own territory; that is stunningly good work.

I have to hear this. Because your response answer makes absolutely no sense based on what I said.

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Jan 4, 12, 15:04 #104

MediaWatch:

No you're the liar

Pathetic. Even by your standards. Luckily I have provided links and so people can check for themselves that the posts say exactly what I state they do.

MediaWatch:

I'm clearly making the major point of referencing Poland's past of being occupied and discriminated against and then secondarily comparing it to how today Poland has diplomatic relations with those past occupiers and you come up with your above incoherent response??

You talked about "today" and I did too.

MediaWatch:

I have to hear this. Because your response answer makes absolutely no sense based on what I said.

You talked about today Poland having diplomatic relations with countries which used to occupy its territory. I pointed out that that is no comparison to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed was the territory of another country and discriminated against people who were living on land which Poland had agreed belonged to their nation rather than Poland. Only a complete moron could criticise a nation for not having diplomatic relations with a country which was then occupying its territory and discrimination against its people.

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Edited by: MediaWatch Jan 5, 12, 00:58 #105

Harry:

You talked about today Poland having diplomatic relations with countries which used to occupy its territory. I pointed out that that is no comparison to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed was the territory of another country and discriminated against people who were living on land which Poland had agreed belonged to their nation rather than Poland. Only a complete moron could criticise a nation for not having diplomatic relations with a country which was then occupying its territory and discrimination against its people.

Don't start changing the subject here.

The whole issue here is simply this:

How did my simple statement here:

Better yet, Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries.

Become interpreted and answered by you as this:

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be the territory of another nation and discriminating against the unfortunate people who lived on their own territory; that is stunningly good work.

That's the question here and nothing else.

Lets break this down.

There are two basic components of my simple statement:

1)Poland once being occupied and discriminated by other countries

2)Poland now has diplomatic relations with those countries.

THAT'S IT!!!

But in your twisted mind you interpret that simple statement of mine as this:

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be the territory of another nation and discriminating against the unfortunate people who lived on their own territory; that is stunningly good work.

You basically have two points in your response to my simple statement.

1) Me comparing a situation when no Polish territory being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against

2) Me talking about a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be territory of another nation and discriminating against those unfortunate people who lived on their own territory

Tell me, which of my two points of my simple statement reflected your second point??

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jan 5, 12, 13:47 #106
MediaWatch: Tell me, which of my two points of my simple statement reflected your second point?? Harry in general is a troubled soul, full of vinegar and contradictions. He is opting for Poland open to all immigrants from all over the world. On the other hand he is scolding pre-war Poland for being multi-ethnic country. Schizophrenia typical for those PC types with a cause. Not reason.

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Jan 5, 12, 14:19 #107

MediaWatch:

Don't start changing the subject here.

And yet another lie from you. I did not change the subject: I talked about the statements you made and my reply (or course, you have now lied about both those things).

There really is no point in going on with this: all you do is lie and what you are lying about has no connection at all to the topic of this thread.

Ironside:

On the other hand he is scolding pre-war Poland for being multi-ethnic country.

Really? Do feel more than free to quote from any post in which I do any such thing. Although we will of course be waiting quite a while for you to attempt to support your latest lie.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 5, 12, 14:21 #108
Harry: There really is no point in going on with this No point - the tin foil hat tells him the truth and that's that.

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