Polish fidelity. Its limits.

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Jan 3, 10, 22:09 #1

It is not a secret that a common citizen, taken apart, is inclined more to peace by his temper. The results of remote wars are so precarious. In the past polish citizens were famous of their common sense, they could easily abandon lost game. Do not have time for 18 cent.-like words constructions, and want to ask my friends boldly, what do you think, where are those prudent limits which will give you opportunity of preserving both dignity of faithful ally and safety in future clash of civilizations. For, it seems, that stakes in anti-terror war have a tendency to raise - yesterday it was Iraq, today - Afghanistan and Pakistan, tomorrow it will be Yemen and Somalia. Verily, there is no limits of american vanity, but is it so with Poland? Blantly speaking, when Poland ought to move away from the game.

king polkakamonThreads: 1 Posts: 1,018 Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂	Jan 3, 10, 23:29 #2
If we were in Poland's position,the eastern border would constantly have a bear as symbol.

pawianThreads: 80 Posts: 4,542 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Jan 4, 10, 00:36 #3
ConstantineK: but is it so with Poland? I am more and more convinced that you are gathering data for Russian intelligence. That is why, I won`t tell you anything! Someone out there in KGB might think it is all true what I say!! Of course not! I was lying to you all the time!!! And one more thing! I faked all orgasms!!!! Goodbye!!!!!

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,521 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Jan 5, 10, 04:31 #4
Polski, Russki, both Slowianski: No fight...Rather, both cooperate to control our own world...Russia is vast, great land, culture, very rich...Poland is bridge for Slavic civilization to reach out to Western Europe...Be great, not fighting like children.

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Jan 5, 10, 10:40 #5

ConstantineK:

... today - Afghanistan and Pakistan, tomorrow it will be Yemen and Somalia. Verily, there is no limits of american vanity, but is it so with Poland? Blantly speaking, when Poland ought to move away from the game.

I shall remind you, however, about the Russian vanity and your most shameful involvement in Afghanistan under the red tsar Leonid Brezhnev, aptly called "General Secretary" in the Soviet Russia.

Putting forward a subject like Poland's involvement in war against terrorism, I'm sure you have a certain malicious thesis about Poland in mind that you're going to reveal after having read our comments.

All in all, I would advise you to direct the vast interests of yours to reading Russian literature rather than beating about the helpless - in your view - case of Poland. Yesterday I was watching this excellent piece of Женитьба (Marriage) by Никола́й Васи́льевич Го́голь on Polish TV. The casting of the play was composed of best Polish actors, and I assure you, this was a most tremendous experience watching one of Nikolai Vasilievich's play on TV on a frosty evening.

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Edited by: ConstantineK Jan 7, 10, 00:39 #6

pawian:

! I faked all orgasms!!!!

Wait a minute pawian, what do you mean!? You assert that I would have a liaisons with you? With Polack?

joepilsudski:

.Poland is bridge for Slavic civilization to reach out to Western Europe

Quite a shaky bridge one may assume
And what is more, this "bridge" is in the hands of our most implacable and bitterest enemy. By the way, who said that we are in any need of western europe? Quite the contrary, it is they who need our care, and... and more or less constant interventions to save order. Europeans are kids..., kids of a b!tch..

Ziemowit:

I'm sure you have a certain malicious thesis about Poland in mind that you're going to reve

You obviousely exaggerate my malice for Poles as living beings, certainly they may be considered as a part of the human race, though very special one. Therefore, all humanitarian laws might be applied in their favour too.
However, there is one thing I cannot bear with patience, their blind and stupid habit to choose wrong allies and irritate mighty neighbours to no purpose.

You see, I am not as troglodytian Polonophobe as you used to think.

king polkakamonThreads: 1 Posts: 1,018 Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂	Edited by: king polkakamon Jan 7, 10, 00:59 #7
ConstantineK: Europeans are kids..., kids of a b!tch.. What is the name of the b1tch?

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Jan 7, 10, 02:04 #8

ConstantineK:

However, there is one thing I cannot bear with patience, their blind and stupid habit to choose wrong allies and irritate mighty neighbours to no purpose.

Hey folx im planning on putting an box of explosives near the Russian ambassy in Warsaw leaving a fireplace near it, and some paper with the writings: "Burn baby Burn motha****ers! Go go Poland!"

That will fresh up Poland-Russian relations!

SteveramsfanThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Nov 22, 09 ♂	Jan 7, 10, 09:05 #9
We should all pull out of the Middle East, not just Poland. The west are just making things worse, trying to make them live how the west live is not working. We are breeding more terrorists with our tactics. The training camps are now in Yemen and Somalia, are we invading them next?

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Jan 7, 10, 09:43 #10

ConstantineK:

By the way, who said that we are in any need of western europe? Quite the contrary, it is they who need our care, and... and more or less constant interventions to save order.

If you want to save order in Western Europe, you should think first of preventing the killing of human rights activists in Russia. Just think about the internationally known case of the unsolved assassination of Anna Stepanovna Politkovskaya, shot dead in the elevator of her apartment building Moscow in 2006.

If you don't want to read the books of Nikolai Vasilievich Gogol, which is what I have advised you, please try reading the book of Anna Stepanovna: "Putin's Russia", in which she describes the Russian army in which conscripts are tortured and hired out as slaves, and Russian judges who are removed from their positions or brutally assaulted on the street for not following instructions "from above" to let criminals go.

If you do read it, you'll understand why people in Poland or Western Europe would not welcome Russia's - as you so aptly and boldly put it - more or less constant interventions to save order in their countries.

You indeed don't seem to be a troglodytian Polonophobe, as a matter of truth you seem to be a troglodytian Putinophile.

king polkakamonThreads: 1 Posts: 1,018 Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂	Jan 7, 10, 09:49 #11
Ziemowit: and hired out as slaves You are a slave Konstantin.

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Edited by: 1jola Jan 7, 10, 09:50 #12

Agravating the Bear is our national sport(when were not drinking, that is), and it stems from the conviction that Russia only understands and respects a show of strenght. When she senses fear, she will move in for a kill. Plus, we are not affraid of them.

Our dialogue will always be difficult, as we don't trust each other.

Ziemowit:

book of Anna Stepanovna: "Putin's Russia",

I have read it. She was very brave and named too many names to stay alive. BTW, I have the English and Polish editions, and can't understand why she is called Politkovska in Polish and not Politkovskaya.

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Jan 7, 10, 10:45 #13

Russia is a political/military giant but an emerging (third world?) country from an economical view point, with an economy entirely based on natural resources (gas,oil, metals)..There are no leading Russian company which is non natural resources based (contrary to Brazil, India or China..) In fact, the difficulty with Russia is that it is not moving forward but rather backwards, with the acute conscience among Russian themselves that "before , it was better". Just an example,life expectancy for males, now at 66 yrs (9 yrs below polish males) and has been declining over the past 20 years...

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Jan 9, 10, 12:50 #14

Mr Grunwald:

That will fresh up Poland-Russian relations!

There are no any equitable "Poland-Russian" relations, as you make efforts to imagine them, but only relations between suzerain <Russia> and his "holop" or villein <Poland> who is temporary out of reach. Perhaps at the end of forthcoming decade you will be submitted to Russian will again.

bullfrog:

Russia is a political/military giant but an emerging (third world?) country from an economical view point, with an economy entirely based on natural resources (gas,oil, metals)..

The gravity of your post would have disturbed me, had I not luckily known all nonsenses you had prepared to drag out. That will be a long train of imaginary and insurmountable troubles which stand before Russia, borne in fevered imagination of poland's politicians. What is it you could suggest except, "Russians are mongolians", "eventually all Russia will be swallowed up by China", etc

BTW, can you clarify the meaning "third world"? What dose it mean, third rate states and people or what else? Then, where is poland's place?

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Jan 9, 10, 13:20 #15
ConstantineK: Perhaps at the end of forthcoming decade you will be submitted to Russian will again. You have no clue what Russia/Soviet Union has tried to do the last centuries?

strzygaThreads: 4 Posts: 894 Joined: Apr 30, 08 ♀	Jan 9, 10, 13:29 #16
1jola: can't understand why she is called Politkovska in Polish and not Politkovskaya and rightly so. All the names that end in -ska in Polish get -aya in Russian (think Krupska - Krupskaya). Preserving the -aya ending would mean unecessarily retaining the English transcription. There's no need to transcribe Russian names into Polish via English.

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Edited by: Torq Jan 9, 10, 13:33 #17

ConstantineK:

However, there is one thing I cannot bear with patience, their blind and stupid habit to choose wrong allies and irritate mighty neighbours to no purpose.

We will choose to ally with whomever the f**k we want and we will irritate
whoever the f**k we want - and you know what is the best thing about it?

The best thing is, that there is absolutely f**ckall that Russia can do about it :-)

ConstantineK:

Perhaps at the end of forthcoming decade you will be submitted
to Russian will again.

Wanna bet? :-)

ConstantiaK:

irritate mighty neighbours to no purpose.

Well, we haven't irritated Germany in a long time. We have no other mighty
neighbours apart from them.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07 ♂	Jan 9, 10, 13:38 #18
Mr Grunwald: You have no clue what Russia/Soviet Union has tried to do the last centuries? It is not a singular event but a process long-drawn in time. Just wait a culmination.

BorrkaThreads: 49 Posts: 769 Joined: Apr 25, 08 ♂	Edited by: Borrka Jan 9, 10, 14:00 #19
ConstantineK: Just wait a culmination. Russian Autonomous Territory of the Northern China ?

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Edited by: Mr Grunwald Jan 9, 10, 14:38 #20

ConstantineK:

It is not a singular event but a process long-drawn in time. Just wait a culmination.

Yet you said "again". When have Poland been submitted to Russia in the past?

1# (v. t.) To leave or commit to the discretion or judgment of another or others; to refer; as, to submit a controversy to arbitrators; to submit a question to the court; -- often followed by a dependent proposition as the object.
2# (v. t.) To yield, resign, or surrender to power, will, or authority; -- often with the reflexive pronoun.
3# (v. i.) To yield one's person to the power of another; to give up resistance; to surrender.
4# (v. i.) To yield one's opinion to the opinion of authority of another; to be subject; to acquiesce.
5# (v. i.) To be submissive or resigned; to yield without murmuring.
6# (v. t.) To put or place under.
7# (v. t.) To let down; to lower.

WHEN did Poland SURRENDER to Russia?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Jan 9, 10, 14:45 #21
ConstantineK: It is not a singular event but a process long-drawn in time. Just wait a culmination. We will wait. Patiently. Have another drink. And then another.

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Jan 9, 10, 14:57 #22

Borrka:

Russian Autonomous Territory of the Northern China ?

Ah Borrka, once again I see these mantras about Russian-Chineese antagonism and russian population of Far East. Were I Pole with such education as you have, I would invent something new, something gorgeous. Let me advise you - "Russians are ... ". After all, the more you invent the more you believe, and that is one consolation you can afford. Your sole pleasure, must now be to speak of russians, to find out what russians doing, what they are saying and thinking about poles, down to the least thing that concerns you. We are your sun, you are revolving around, enjoying our presence

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Edited by: Borrka Jan 9, 10, 16:14 #23

ConstantineK:

these mantras about Russian-Chinese antagonism

There is no Russo-Chinese antagonism, Kostik.
What I see is your common bright future, a result of some peaceful penetration from China and final unification to a happy nation .

I can hardly imagine something better for you - as a medium sized nation of 140 millions you are not in position to control the huge area from Moscow to Vladivostok.
Moreover you can get nearly everything you don't have from China - modern know-how, sober political and economic leadership, all the goods Russia is hungry for !

All you need is to pump oil and excavate for gas and your Oblomov's dreams come true!

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07 ♂	Jan 9, 10, 16:38 #24
Borrka: What I see is your common bright future, a result of some peaceful penetration from China and final unification to a happy nation . Ok, but then, together or as united nation, we will pour forward in europe "over the corpse of White Poland".

king polkakamonThreads: 1 Posts: 1,018 Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 10, 16:44 #25
ConstantineK: we will pour forward in europe "over the corpse of White Poland". I hope it will not have become Black Poland by the time you pour.

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Jan 9, 10, 17:09 #26

Ziemowit:

ust think about the internationally known case of the unsolved assassination of Anna Stepanovna Politkovskaya, shot dead in the elevator of her apartment building Moscow in 2006.

She was just "dura nabitaya". If you are playing political games you should be sure of the money sources you use.

king polkakamon:

I hope it will not have become Black Poland by the time you pour.

Ha-ha...That is highly probable, especially in present gayropa

bullfrogThreads: 4 Posts: 379 Joined: Apr 23, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 10, 19:33 #27
ConstantineK: BTW, can you clarify the meaning "third world"? What dose it mean, third rate states and people or what else? Then, where is poland's place? By third world economy, I mean that Russia's economy is almost entirely based on digging up natural resources like is the case for many third world countries.

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Jan 9, 10, 21:09 #28

ConstantineK:

Wait a minute pawian, what do you mean!? You assert that I would have a liaisons with you? With Polack?

Unfortunately, yes. You are one of those few Russians who seem to be fascinated/attracted by Polishness, remaining deeply suspicious about it at the same time. That makes you hang around Polish forums.
I know this syndrome very well because it also works in my case, but the other way round and it made me join a Russian forum a few years ago.

ConstantineK:

However, there is one thing I cannot bear with patience, their blind and stupid habit to choose wrong allies and irritate mighty neighbours to no purpose.

We have a lot of things in common. After all, we are Slavs. :):):)
I also hate one thing in Russians, I mean this famous Russian desire to be subdued by a master, lord, a "good tsar", "batushka", who is believed to be able to defend Russian peoples. I cannot bear with patience their blind and stupid habit to let themselves be governed by the most brutal rascals available in Russia. I feel so aggravated when Russians not only accept but even crave for more leadership of that kind. The more brutal, the better. That is one of the things which has always fascinated me in Russians.

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Jan 9, 10, 21:16 #29
ConstantineK: when Poland ought to move away from the game. Away ? We will be moving closer and closer to Moscow, like in the old times.

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Edited by: king polkakamon Jan 9, 10, 21:32 #30

pawian:

The more brutal, the better. That is one of the things which has always fascinated me in Russians.

Yes,if you noticed under the gentle Yeltsin the Russians failed to work and lost respect for government.In this land the ruler has to use the whip.
But they had great personalities:Ivan the terrible,Peter the Great,Stalin a lot of iron-fist leaders.
You see now Ukraine in how deep sh1t it is due to lack of a powerful leader.

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