Polish Foreign Ministry ‘prepared’ for new Wikileaks material

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Edited by: David_18 Nov 28, 10, 21:31 #1

US diplomats have informed that the confidential documents that are to be released online may include materials concerning negotiations with Poland. They may predominantly concern bilateral talks on the deployment of the anti-missile shield in Poland, claims spokesperson for the Polish Foreign Ministry, Marcin Bosacki.

http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul144394_poland-to-become-rus sia-ambassador-to-eu.html

Last time Wikileaks revealed Polish special services ( GROM ) activity in afganistan and Iraq and that the Polish intelligence had warned of plans of an attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul in 2008. But the Indian ignored them and On 7 July 2008, a car bomb loaded with explosives killed 58 people at the embassy, including a number of Indian diplomats. New Delhi blamed the attack on Pakistan special services.

http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul136386.html

So what do you think they will reveal this time more then the deployment of the anti-missile shield in Poland?

Would be fun to find out what the American goverment thinks about the Poles. Since they seems to have very fun opinions about other countries and their leaders. They called the Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin an "alpha-dog," and the Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai is "driven by paranoia" and they describe German Chancellor Angela Merkel as one who "avoids risk and is rarely creative."

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Nov 28, 10, 21:42 #2
Some hot stuff is already out there.... http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,731601,00.html Angela "Teflon" Merkel...Westerwelle "vain and incompetent" (no disagreement here) and so on! Heh:)

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Edited by: PlasticPole Nov 28, 10, 21:43 #3

David_18:

Would be fun to find out what the American goverment thinks about the Poles. Since they seems to have very fun opinions about other countries and their leaders. They called the Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin an "alpha-dog," and the Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai is "driven by paranoia" and they describe German Chancellor Angela Merkel as one who "avoids risk and is rarely creative."

But are those negative comments or just unbiased observations? They don't sound too bad.

Angela "Teflon" Merkel...Westerwelle "vain and incompetent" (no disagreement here) and so on!

sounds a little worse...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 28, 10, 21:44 #4
Westerwelle gets surely kicked at but yeah...it's quite correct. I can't stand the guy either! Sarkozy: "King without clothes" ;) But they are in love with Guttenberg as it seems...only good comments....

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,858 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Nov 28, 10, 22:01 #5
Obviously some are getting cold feet. Hillary at once informed all possible that sth might come out that a few would not like. Bratwurst Boy: Westerwelle gets surely kicked at but yeah...it's quite correct. I can't stand the guy either! He was and is disgusting. Met him personally while being not so "fancy".

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 28, 10, 22:09 #6
Bratwurst Boy: He was and is disgusting. My gawd...we agree on something!!!! faints

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Edited by: David_18 Nov 28, 10, 22:10 #7
Bratwurst Boy: Sarkozy: "King without clothes" ;) Classic!!! xD Best one though must be when the American embassy called Medvedev for "Robin" and "Putin" for Batman http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/wikileaks-us-embassy-cable s

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Edited by: Pinching Pete Nov 28, 10, 22:22 #8

David_18:

Best one though must be when the American embassy called Medvedev for "Robin" and "Putin" for Batman

Well, it's true about Medvedev. Any goat herder in one of the 'stans' knows this.

Anyway, these are "leaks" right? Made, by God knows who? Some clown who didn't get promoted in the CIA or something? A diplomat who was questioned to strongly on something. Please..

Even then they're often just somebody's observation.. which can differ from person to person.

I sincerely hope Assange likes being harassed and having his coffee maker bugged for the rest of his life (and not just by the US).. it will probably get trying as he gets older.

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Nov 28, 10, 22:42 #9

The United States apparently used bargaining to move prisoners from the Guantanamo Bay detention camp to other countries. In one case, if Slovenia did not take one of the prisoners, President Obama would not agree to meet with Slovenian officials. Other offers include economic incentives or even a visit from President Obama.

Ow my god!!! Seriously what the hell is America doing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 28, 10, 22:47 #10
David_18: Ow my god!!! Seriously what the hell is America doing? Is anyone actually surprised? On the other hand - I've been reading through the sites, and although there's plenty of insults, is there really anything that juicy here? Childish behaviour, yes - but nothing major.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Nov 28, 10, 22:50 #11
delphiandomine: On the other hand - I've been reading through the sites, and although there's plenty of insults, is there really anything that juicy here? Childish behaviour, yes - but nothing major. Wait untill tomorrow! So far only 250,000 classified documents have been revelead. Still 2,750,000 classified documents to go.

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Nov 28, 10, 22:50 #12
David_18: Ow my god!!! Seriously what the hell is America doing? You are a little histrionic, aren't you? Not exactly Katyn or something... OH MY GOD.. He didn't meet with Slovenian officials! He didn't exactly authorize some assasination or something.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Nov 28, 10, 22:54 #13
That's just politics. Politicians pull that stuff all the time.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Edited by: David_18 Nov 28, 10, 22:54 #14
Pinching Pete: He didn't meet with Slovenian officials! He didn't exactly authorize some assasination or something. I'm just astonished over the mafia methods the American goverment uses.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Nov 28, 10, 22:56 #15
David_18: I'm just astonished over the mafia methods the Ameican goverment uses. That isn't mafia methods...assasination is.

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Nov 28, 10, 22:58 #16
David_18: mafia methods the American goverment uses. Bawww .. Hawww. Welcome to planet Earth, dude. Besides, Gitmo is Bush's idiotic idea. Funny how these "leaks" never have anything nice to say about anyone, offer some kind of balance. They're nothing but dressed up tabloids meant to look official at the end of the day.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Nov 28, 10, 23:05 #17
I must agree...some open and honest talk here...contrary to the usual diplomatic niceties. Abit funny and refreshing I must say...but will surely ruffle some feathers with the vain ones!

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Nov 28, 10, 23:09 #18

Pinching Pete:

Funny how these "leaks" never have anything nice to say about anyone, offer some kind of balance. They're nothing but dressed up tabloids meant to look official at the end of the day.

Maybe because America don't have anything nice to say?

PlasticPole:

That isn't mafia methods...assasination is.

The mafia got plenty ways of doing business. And the Slovenia thingy is not far away from that in a legal way but still an absurd way.

Anyway it was a very childish move by the Americans to refuse to meet with Slovenian officials if the Slovenians would't accept Americas offer.

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Nov 28, 10, 23:15 #19

David_18:

Anyway it was a very childish move by the Americans to refuse to meet with Slovenian officials if the Slovenians would't accept Americas offer.

Allegedly.. but yes it would be a very childish move. Childish .. not diabolical.. and presidents have scheduling conflicts. Slovenia is not exactly France or GB.

Bratwurst Boy:

Abit funny and refreshing I must say

Basically what I take out of it.. Not much of this sh.t is a revelation. "Israel wanted to attack Iran". Oh really.. thank you for illuminating that for us, wikileaks. WTF.. everybody knew that!

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Nov 29, 10, 00:03 #20

David_18:

The mafia got plenty ways of doing business. And the Slovenia thingy is not far away from that in a legal way but still an absurd way.

Anyway it was a very childish move by the Americans to refuse to meet with Slovenian officials if the Slovenians would't accept Americas offer.

It's just an ugly side of politics. All countries have ugliness in their politics. It doesn't appeal to us because we aren't politicians. It's stuff they do to get things done.

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Nov 29, 10, 00:19 #21

The Wikileaks affair is another proof that the net should not be accorded privileged status but treated like every other ledia. If it threatens people's or nations' security, a portal should be shut down and the web operator duly prosecuted. The same goes for libel or character assissination. A n ewspaper or TV station could not get away with the calumny swirling around the web. Too many people want to tippy-toe round the sacrosanct Internet, treating it like some sacred cow!

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Nov 29, 10, 00:22 #22

Polonius3:

The Wikileaks affair is another proof that the net should not be accorded privileged status but treated like every other ledia. If it threatens people's or nations' security, a portal should be shut down and the web operator duly prosecuted. The same goes for libel or character assissination. A n ewspaper or TV station could not get away with the calumny swirling around the web. Too many people want to tippy-toe round the sacrosanct Internet, treating it like some sacred cow!

Well, that's not a surprise that you're against freedom of information :) Fits right in with your communist attitude, doesn't it? I mean - God forbid the people having access to information! They should only have the right to know what their leaders think they should be allowed to know!

And - you claim to be Polish? Any self respecting Pole would be all for information being released, especially where it concerns Poland.

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Nov 29, 10, 00:31 #23

PlasticPole:

It's just an ugly side of politics. All countries have ugliness in their politics. It doesn't appeal to us because we aren't politicians. It's stuff they do to get things done.

Yes indeed. But America choose the role as the world leaders. And what signal do they send to the rest of the world if they can't follow the rules that they created?

Killing civillians and destroying other countries and even threaten their own allies etc etc... Where is the logic?

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Nov 29, 10, 00:34 #24

Polonius3:

a portal should be shut down and the web operator duly prosecuted

Are you serious?

The job of the media is not to protect power from embarrassment. If American spies are breaking United Nations rules by seeking the DNA biometrics of the UN director general, he is entitled to hear of it. British voters should know what Afghan leaders thought of British troops. American (and British) taxpayers might question, too, how most of the billions of dollars going in aid to Afghanistan simply exits the country at Kabul airport. [Simon Jenkins, full text]

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Nov 29, 10, 00:43 #25

The old 'people have a right to know' slogan used by the Murdochs and other smut, sensation and gossipmongers is both hypocritical and cynical. How is this information going to benefit the bus driver in Leeds or the Kansas City school teacher? Besides, do you naively believe the news and gossip pedlars are truly interested in anyone's rights? They are out only after their own selfish interests, be it profits, influence, publicity or poltical power.
If a nation's security is in jeopardy, then extreme measures are warranted and justified. In war, many civil rights get suspended. We are engaged in a world-wide war on terrorism whether anyone likes it or not.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Nov 29, 10, 00:50 #26
Polonius3: We are engaged in a world-wide war on terrorism whether anyone likes it or not. Hmm who murdered the most civillians in world? The american soldiers or the terrorists? Something tells me that the terrorists ain't even near the American numbers.

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Edited by: convex Nov 29, 10, 00:59 #27

Polonius3:

How is this information going to benefit the bus driver in Leeds or the Kansas City school teacher?

They will partially know the same thing as the people that we have represented to make decisions for us. Those people should be carrying out OUR WILL after all. "We" can't make an informed decision unless we know all the facts. The people that want to be ruled by elites with privy to information...well, that sounds like the old boss here in Poland...

David_18:

Something tells me that the terrorists ain't even near the American numbers.

Something tells me you don't know what you're talking about. Look at how many people have been shot in cold blood, not by accident. I think you would change your opinion fairly quickly.

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Nov 29, 10, 01:08 #28

convex:

The people that want to be ruled by elites with privy to information...well, that sounds like the old boss here in Poland...

Sounds very like it, doesn't it?

Must admit, given that Poles (and Polonius too, if I'm not mistaken) have been screaming for full disclosure into Smolensk - why would any of them support keeping information confidential? Of course, a quick read of what's been released so far says only one thing - that it's interesting, but nothing particularly dreadful. The US obsession with data - what's new?

Though collecting biometric data of officials is something that they would've been proud of in East Germany, I guess :)

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Nov 29, 10, 01:16 #29

delphiandomine:

Something tells me you don't know what you're talking about. Look at how many people have been shot in cold blood, not by accident. I think you would change your opinion fairly quickly.

I know that i might sound very anti-american but seriously plenty of civillians died by american hands.

I know it's very hard to swallow for some people. But the fact still remain.

delphiandomine:

a quick read of what's been released so far says only one thing - that it's interesting, but nothing particularly dreadful. The US obsession with data - what's new?

There will be more in the comming days.

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