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 Jun 3, 09, 16:57    #301
Easy_Terran:
Riiigggg...T.
You must have been born yesterday.

Your reaction seems unstable, apart the fact, is completely irrelevant.

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 Jun 3, 09, 17:10    #302
Switek:
is completely irrelevant

You must have been born yesterday if you claim 'some' Jews are antiPolish.

The correct statement would be: some are NOT antiPolish.
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 Jun 3, 09, 18:22    #303
You just can't resist yourself from your childish behavior ... Happens ...

Most Jews (like Poles, Germans Russians and mmost on this planet) little knows history of their nation except "victim role playing" mainstream. They often repeat some shallow sillinesses about Poles and Poland based on stereotypes, without consciousness of that. Most Jews don't care about Poland and Poles, at all, only few I could name real hard core Polonophobes...
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Edited by: pawian  Jun 3, 09, 18:53    #304
Antoni Słonimski
(1895-1976)

Elegia miasteczek żydowskich

Nie masz już, nie masz w Polsce żydowskich miasteczek,
W Hrubieszowie, Karczewie, Brodach, Falenicy
Próżno byś szukał w oknach zapalonych świeczek,
I śpiewu nasłuchiwał z drewnianej bóżnicy.

Znikły resztki ostatnie, żydowskie łachmany.
Krew piaskiem przysypano, ślady uprzątnięto.
I wapnem sinym czysto wybielono ściany
Jak po zarazie jakiejś lub na wielkie święto.

Błyszczy tu księżyc jeden, chłodny, blady, obcy.
już za miastem na szosie, gdy noc się rozpala,
Krewni moi żydowscy, poetyczni, chłopcy,
Nie odnajdą dwu złotych księżyców Chagala.

Te księżyce nad inną już chodzą planetą,
Odfrunęły spłoszone milczeniem ponurym.
Już niema tych miasteczek, gdzie szewc był poetą,
Zegarmistrz filozofem, fryzjer trubadurem.

Nie ma już tych miasteczek, gdzie biblijne pieśni
Wiatr łączył z polską piosnką i słowiańskim żalem,
Gdzie starzy żydzi w sadach pod cieniem czereśni
Opłakiwali święte mury Jeruzalem.

Nie ma już tych miasteczek, przeminęły cieniem,
I cień ten kłaść się będzie między nasze słowa,
Nim się zbliżą bratersko i złączą od nowa
Dwa narody karmione stuleci cierpieniem.


Elegy for Jewish townships

They’re all gone, gone from Poland, the little Jewish shtetls,
From Karczew, from Hrubiszew, or Belz, for example,
Vainly you’ll search the windows for little lit candles,
And strain your ear for singing from old wooden temples.

The last remnants have vanished, Jewish rags and scraps, all,
Blood with sand covered, traces all smoothed, and at least
One coat of greyish whitewash made cleaner each wall,
As after epidemics, or for some great feast.

Shines now here one moon only, strange, cool, and pale-yellow;
Past the town, on the highway, when night’s shadows fall,
My surviving Jewish kinfolk, poetic young fellows,
Will not find now the golden two moons of Chagall.

Those moons now encircle a different planet,
They have flown now, scared off by the silence grim-dour,
All these townships are gone, with their shoemaker- poet,
Clockmaker-sapient thinker, frisseur-troubadour.

All these townships are gone, where the biblical hymns
The wind joined with songs Polish and sad Slavic tunes,
When old Jews in the orchards sat under a quince
As they wept over holy Jerusalem stones.

All these towns are now gone, they have passed like a shadow,
And between word and word this dark spectre is lain,
Till they meet up as brothers, for new union ready,
The two nations now nurtured on centuries’ pain.


tłumaczył/translated by:

Marcel Weyland (Sydney)
http://www.antoranz.net/CURIOSA/ZBIOR9/C0904/20090419-QZM03093_Slonims ki.htm
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 Jun 3, 09, 19:32    #305
Switek:
You just can't resist yourself from your childish behavior ... Happens ...

Spare me that patronizing tone of yours, thank you.

Switek:
little knows history of their nation except "victim role playing" mainstream

That doesn't justify them to spit out hateful words and made up 'facts' about Poland and the Poles.

Switek:
Most Jews don't care about Poland and Poles

Is that so?
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 Jun 3, 09, 19:41    #306
Easy_Terran:
Spare me that patronizing tone of yours, thank you.

You're welcome.

Easy_Terran:
That doesn't justify them to spit out hateful words and made up 'facts' about Poland and the Poles.

True but it works vice versa: lies about Poland and Poles doesn't justify us to spit out hateful words and made up 'facts' about Jews.

Easy_Terran:
Is that so?

Yes, it is.
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 Jun 3, 09, 22:03    #307
Switek:
True but it works vice versa: lies about Poland and Poles doesn't justify us to spit out hateful words and made up 'facts' about Jews.

Agreed.
Now, tell me what Polish lies about the Jews are viciously spread worldwide by Polish community and repeated over and over again by other communities?
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 Jun 3, 09, 22:43    #308
Easy_Terran:
Now, tell me what Polish lies about the Jews are viciously spread worldwide by Polish community and repeated over and over again by other communities?

One of the biggest falsities that Poles believe in and try to sell is that all Poles bravely rescued Jews during the war.
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Edited by: Salomon  Jun 3, 09, 23:04    #309
pawian:
!

Who you are ?

Going back to the facts :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Righteous_among_the_Nations

Polish citizens have the world's highest count of individuals awarded medals of Righteous among the Nations, given by the State of Israel to non-Jews who saved Jews from extermination during the Holocaust.

In German-occupied Poland the task of rescuing Jews was especially difficult and dangerous. All household members were punished by death if a Jew was found concealed in their home or on their property.

Capital punishment of entire families, for aiding Jews, was the most draconian such Nazi practice against any nation in occupied Europe. On November 10, 1941, the death penalty was expanded by Hans Frank to apply to Poles who helped Jews "in any way: by taking them in for the night, giving them a lift in a vehicle of any kind" or "feed[ing] runaway Jews or sell[ing] them foodstuffs." The law was made public by posters distributed in all major cities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Żegota

"Żegota" ( [ʐˈɡɔt̪a] (help·info)), also known as the "Konrad Żegota Committee," was a codename for the Council to Aid Jews (Rada Pomocy Żydom), an underground organization in German-occupied Poland from 1942 to 1945.

It operated under the auspices of the Polish Government in Exile through the Government Delegation for Poland, in Warsaw. Żegota's express purpose was to aid the country's Jews and find places of safety for them in occupied Poland. Poland was the only country in occupied Europe where there existed such a dedicated secret organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Poles_during_the_Holoca ust

Polish Jews were the primary victims of the German Nazi-organized Holocaust. Throughout the German occupation of Poland, many Polish gentiles — at great risk to themselves and their families — rescued Jews from the Nazis. Evidence indicates there were more Polish rescuers than people from any other nation.

Some estimates put the number of Poles involved in rescue at up to 3 million, and credit Poles with saving up to around 450,000 Jews from certain death. Israel has awarded 6,135 Righteous among the Nations medals to Polish gentiles, more than to any other nation. The rescue efforts were aided by one of the largest anti-Nazi resistance movements in Europe, the Polish Underground State and its military arm, the Armia Krajowa. Supported by the Polish government in exile, these organizations operated special units dedicated to helping Jews; of those, the most notable was Żegota.

We can deabte if it was enought or not ... but no body has done more.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Jun 3, 09, 23:29    #310
Salomon:
Who you are ?

Going back to the facts :

http://www.holocaustsurvivors.org/survivors.php

Just some examples:

...In the Polish army we had a lieutenant named Walchek. He was skinny, six feet tall, handsome and he had boots that shined like a mirror. On his office he had a sign which read: ENTRY IS FORBIDDEN TO JEWS AND DOGS. We, Jews, were told, "First we are going to take care of the Germans, then we are going to take care of you." How did I feel going against my enemy, the Germans, fighting with my second enemy, the Poles?

There was no future for Jewish youth in Poland. When Pilsudski died, they said to us, "Your father died, now we can do what we want with you." The anti-Semitism was terrible. ...

...
There was no future for Jews in Poland. Jews were second class citizens. The church taught that the Jews killed Jesus. This is where the hate came from.
In public school I could raise my hand all day, but they would never call on me. In the street a Jew could get beaten up. My mother, not just my mother, every Jewish mother had to go pick up her children at school because it was not safe for them to walk home alone. Women got a little more respect. ...

...
The Jews and the non-Jews in our town did not mix socially, only in business. The anti-Semitism was very strong; we felt it all over. The gentile children did not want to associate with us, and they called us names. The Jewish children were not permitted to take part in school plays. The Christians were told that the Jews killed Christ. On Easter they would throw stones at us. However, there were no pogroms at this time, before the Germans came into Poland. ...

...
A German Gestapo chief tried to help us, and a Pole tried to get rid of us...

Reading that one could get the wrong impression...
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Edited by: pawian  Jun 3, 09, 23:31    #311
Salomon:
We can deabte if it was enought or not ... but no body has done more.

The problem is that an average Pole tends to extend the 6.135 Righteous` heroic deeds over the whole Polish nation.
The truth is that most Poles remained indifferent and many were glad that Jewish problem was solved by Germans. Only a few helped.

Elsewhere, Bartoszewski has estimated that between 1 and 3 percent of the Polish population was actively involved in rescue efforts;


Salomon:
Some estimates put the number of Poles involved in rescue at up to 3 million, and credit Poles with saving up to around 450,000 Jews from certain death.

These are lies that Easy Teran was asking for. Poles didn`t rescue 450.000 Jews.

Salomon:
Who you are ?

:):):):)

And you? Do you think that by taking part in this Polish discussion you will hide your true identity???? :):):):):)
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Edited by: Salomon  Jun 3, 09, 23:39    #312
Bratwurst Boy:
Just some examples:

First of all occupation of Poland wasn't only about the Jews...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939–1945)

The Nazis held that the Slavs, like the Jews, were subhuman. "All Poles", Hitler swore, "will disappear from the world." On August 22, 1939, one week before the Nazi invasion of Poland, Hitler gave the Wehrmacht their instructions: "Kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children of Polish descent or language.... Be merciless. Be brutal. It is necessary to proceed with maximum severity. The war is to be a war of annihilation."

In a top-secret memorandum, "The Treatment of Racial Aliens in the East", dated May 25, 1940, Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, wrote "We need to divide Poland's many different ethnic groups up into as many parts and splinter groups as possible".

Poland lost 6 mln citizens (murdered by occupator) and before WWII there was only 3 mln Jews in Poland.

As to marginal element ... there were such people in every ethnic group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Ghetto_Police

Jewish Ghetto Police (German: Jüdische Ghetto-Polizei, Jüdischer Ordnungsdienst), also known as the Jewish Order Service and referred by the Jews as the Jewish Police, were the auxiliary police units organized in the Jewish ghettos by the local Judenrat councils under German Nazi orders.[1] The Jewish Order Service was also active in some of the Nazi concentration camps.

The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians

What is more in such conditions some people became realy bad for their countryman...

Anny way. Fact that somebody values christian life less than Jewish is racist.

Lets say Polish christain victimes haven't received 5% of what Jews received ... what shows only racial policy of German government after WWII. No more no less.
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 Jun 3, 09, 23:45    #313
pawian:
all Poles bravely rescued Jews during the war

pawian:
The problem is that an average Pole tends to extend the 6.135 Righteous` heroic deeds over the whole Polish nation.

Few of the biggest falsities being sold by the Jews is that all Poles were nothing but nazis, were all szmalcowniks and allowed the Gerries to build the camps actively helping them with that task.

Is the lie (because I agree it's a lie, although I've never heard about that) about 'all Poles helping the Jews' daily spread in newspapers and TV worldwide, manipulated and sold as one and only truth?


pawian:
The truth is that most Poles remained indifferent and many were glad that Jewish problem was solved by Germans. Only a few helped.

How even dare you to say something like that. Indifferent?
Would you risk your children lives to help a Jew? Would you and other moral judges (sic!) of what Poles should have or should have not done?
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Jun 3, 09, 23:46    #314
I don't think it's about what the Germans did...this is well known and the fronts are cleared...it's more about that:

...All around us our neighbors and friends were watching and laughing at us like they were at a show. This hurt us more that what the Germans did. ..

...I was scared that they would find out I was Jewish. I was not afraid of the Germans because I was not different looking from anyone else. But I was afraid of my friends, the Poles. ...

It's from an official holocaust site...Jews are reading that...
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 Jun 3, 09, 23:54    #315
Funny thing, BBoy, I read similar stories being told by the Poles about their Jewish neighbours, Poles who lived to tell about the Soviet invasion and fun their neighbours had.
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 Jun 3, 09, 23:56    #316
I believe you!
But I think here in such online archives is the reason for the misunderstandings between Poles and Jews I think...

...I could be wrong of course...
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Edited by: Salomon  Jun 3, 09, 23:56    #317
It is all about money :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek_Edelman

Marek Edelman (born December 31, 1922) is a Polish political and social activist, cardiologist, and last living leader of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. He lives in Łódź.

In the summer of 2007 an Israeli youth group came to Łódź in order to make documentary films with a group of Polish youth. One of the films was made about Marek Edelman, and emphasized the fact that the Israeli youngsters had never heard of Edelman, supposedly because he had been anti-zionist. While the filming, the group met Edelman and interviewed him.

You know why they don't talk about him ... because if he died ... Israel would get money! and he had anti-zionist views. What makes compensation issue more difficult because in case of his death durring wwii they would get money for him not Poland.... Now they would ask for his property and this guy had anti-zionst views...

Sombody made form every person with drop of Jewish blood ... Israels on Polish soil.

As to Polish christian victimes - well I don't see the difference between christain Poles burned in concetration camps and "alleged" Israelis on Polish soil (because they all were zionist). The fact that Germany hasn't copensated Polish state as they compensated Israel ... it is strange ...
What is more in my opinion it has much more to do with PR than morality.
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Edited by: Salomon  Jun 4, 09, 00:14    #318
Going back to the subject :

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1090024.html

Comment number 10:

WHAT`S THE BIG UPROAR ABOUT :



They learned from the Israeli banks and the State of Israel. We are also withholding moneis and propwerty that should go to the Holocaust survivors to help them to live their last years with some dignity


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Edited by: Nathan  Jun 4, 09, 00:23    #319
Salomon:
The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians

Please, provide a source when you quote someone.
http://books.google.com/books?id=zJ3IzEy8sB0C&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=eman uel+ringelblum++Ukrainians&source=bl&ots=Nt0ohQ5nAN&sig=_ZosZUNWhQ8KRk IODsSgoVadbf4&hl=en&ei=KvQmStSUKaTMM8zs5YQF&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=res ult&resnum=1#PPA21,M1
Read at least pp. 17-21 for your general knowledge.
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Edited by: Salomon  Jun 4, 09, 00:27    #320
Nathan:
Please, provide a source when you quote someone.http://books.google.com/books?id=zJ3IzEy8sB0C&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18 &dq=eman uel+ringelblum++Ukrainians&source=bl&ots=Nt0ohQ5nAN&sig=_ZosZUNWhQ8KRk IODsSgoVadbf4&hl=en&ei=KvQmStSUKaTMM8zs5YQF&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=res ult&resnum=1#PPA21,M1Read at least pp. 17-21 for your general knowledge.

As to the source :

^ a b c "Judischer Ordnungsdienst". Museum of Tolerance. Simon Wiesenthal Center. Retrieved on 2008-01-14.
^ www.deathcamps.org/occupation/warsaw%20ghetto.html
^ Raul Hilberg: The Destruction of the European Jews, Quadrangle Books, Chicago 1961, p. 310.
^ Collins, Jeanna R.. "Am I a Murderer?: Testament of a Jewish Ghetto Policeman (review)". Mandel Fellowship Book Reviews. Kellogg Community College. Retrieved on 2008-01-13.

Avoiding fact that in 1910 ... there was no independent Poland and this arena was under Austrain partion....
Jews from current Ukraine are ... Ukrainan issue as they were murdered there like Poles ...

I am talking about Jews from Poland who lived between Poles.
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Edited by: Nathan  Jun 4, 09, 00:30    #321
Salomon:
Avoiding fact that in 1910 ... there was no independent Poland qand this arena was under Austrain partion....
Jews from current Ukraine are ... Ukrainian - Jewish issue.

I am talking about Jews from Poland.

Before slappering with your tongue around - read what I marked by a link. I did it 2 minutes ago and you already gave me an answer. Read first. And show me the source I was asking you of.
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Edited by: Salomon  Jun 4, 09, 00:32    #322
Source:

^ a b c "Judischer Ordnungsdienst". Museum of Tolerance. Simon Wiesenthal Center. Retrieved on 2008-01-14.
^ www.deathcamps.org/occupation/warsaw%20ghetto.html
^ Raul Hilberg: The Destruction of the European Jews, Quadrangle Books, Chicago 1961, p. 310.
^ Collins, Jeanna R.. "Am I a Murderer?: Testament of a Jewish Ghetto Policeman (review)". Mandel Fellowship Book Reviews. Kellogg Community College. Retrieved on 2008-01-13.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Ghetto_Police

In Warsaw Ghetto the Jewish police numbered 2500 people, in Ghetto Litzmannstadt 1200, in Lviv Ghetto 500 people etc.[3]

The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Ringelblum

Shortly before the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising Ringelblum together with his family was smuggled out of the Ghetto and hidden on the "Aryan" side. However, on March 7, 1944 his refuge was discovered by the Germans; Ringelblum with his family were executed together with the family of Poles who hid them.

Source :

Samuel D. Kassow, Who Will Write Our History? Emanuel Ringelblum, the Warsaw Ghetto, and the Oyneg Shabes Archive, Bloomington & Indianapolis 2007.
Samuel D. Kassow, “Emanuel Ringelblum and Jewish Society”, Michael, Institute of Diaspora Studies, Tel Aviv University, 2004
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 Jun 4, 09, 00:44    #323
Am I a Murder?: Testament of a Jewish Ghetto Policeman (the original title is “A History of a Jewish Family During German Occupation”) by Calel Perechodnik is an interesting account by a twenty-seven year old ghetto policeman in Otwock, a town near Warsaw. Perechodnik began his memoir on May 7, 1943, while hiding in the home of a Polish woman in Warsaw. The memoir, which is primarily a confession of the guilt he feels for his responsibility in bringing about the deportation of his wife and two year old daughter and their subsequent death in Treblinka, is unique among Holocaust testimonies and is extremely thought provoking. Perechodnik’s account shares his profound sense of guilt for his inability to save his wife and child although that was the primary reason for his decision to become (I don't judge him, but an interesting reason) a ghetto policeman in early 1941. His description of the deportation on August 19, 1942, at the Umschlagplatz is chilling. The picture of his wife and daughter, sitting with the other victims as he carries out his duties, creates a surreal, circus-like scene that is intensified as he loads his boxcars. In relation to the previously mentioned comments by Viktor Frankl about the freedom of individuals in making decisions, it is interesting to compare the choices of Perechodnik, who carries out his duties at the Umschlagplatz, and his friend and fellow officer Abram Willendorf, who removes his police armband and joins his family in their wait for death. Perechodnik mentions several times his admiration for Willendorf, as well as for Janusz Korczak, who chose to die with the children under his care, but, sorrowfully, confesses that his fear of death prevented him from making the right decision.

I have reservations about using this book with all high school students
http://academic.kellogg.edu/mandel/collins_rev.htm

This is the author of this book, who made his wife and kids deported and killed. And you quote his statements?
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Edited by: Salomon  Jun 4, 09, 00:47    #324
Nathan:
This is the author of this book, who made his wife and kids deported and killed. And you quote his statements?

I quote Emanuel Ringelblum his statements are repeated in many other books one of them is one you quoted. Book you quoted isn't for all high school students'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Ringelblum

Anny way I am not truing to make criminals from "all Jews" and I am discussing about something much different.
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Edited by: Nathan  Jun 4, 09, 00:49    #325
Salomon:
I quote Emanuel Ringelblum his statements are repeated in many other books one of them is one you quoted.

The statement I was interested in was only from that book, so...
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Edited by: pawian  Jun 4, 09, 00:54    #326
Easy_Terran:
Few of the biggest falsities being sold by the Jews is that all Poles were nothing but nazis, were all szmalcowniks and allowed the Gerries to build the camps actively helping them with that task.

If you read more such articles as this one, about Polish peasants in southern Poland who, for gratification, actively helped Germans round up Jews for Holocaust, you may understand why today Jews have such opinion about Poles.
http://www.przeglad-tygodnik.pl/index.php?site=historia&name=121


Easy_Terran:
Is the lie (because I agree it's a lie, although I've never heard about that) about 'all Poles helping the Jews' daily spread in newspapers and TV worldwide, manipulated and sold as one and only truth?

The misinterpreted history is deeply imprinted in the Polish conscience. The poll results prove my point:
http://wyborcza.pl/1,76842,4898613.html - The most popular belief is that many Poles rescued Jews while the few oppressed them.

Do you know Zofia Nałkowska`s Medaliony?

Przy torze kolejowym - By the railway track:

http://chomikuj.pl/krask/Polish+literature+in+English+translation

A Jewish woman escapes from a death train but gets wounded by guards. She stays near the track, nobody helps her. Finally a young man shoots her out of pity.

Excerpts:


She was alone when he found her. But slowly people started to appear in that empty space, emerging from the brick kiln and village. Workers, women, and a boy stood fearful, watching her from a distance.
Every once in a while, a small chain of people would form. They’d cast their eyes about nervously and quickly depart. Others would approach, but wouldn’t linger for long. They would whisper among themselves, sigh, and walk away.
The day was white. The space open onto everything as far as the eye could see. People had already learned of the incident. It was a time of terror. Those who offered assistance or shelter were marked for death.
The gathering beside the mound attracted attention. Someone new would latch on. She lay among people but didn’t count on anyone for help. She lay like an animal that had been wounded during a hunt but which the hunters had forgotten to kill off. She proceeded to getr drunk. She dozed. The power that cut her off from all the others by forming a ring of fear was unbeatable.
“From the forest she could easily have been taken somewhere. But here, with everyone watching, there’s no way.”
So no one would intercede by removing her before nightfall, or by calling a doctor, or by taking her to the station so she could get to a hospital. Nothing of the kind would happen. She could only die, one way or another.
When she opened her eyes at dusk, there was no one around except for the two policemen who had come back and the one who would no longer go away. Again she pleaded with them to kill her, but without any expectation that they would do so. She covered her eyes with her hands so as not to see anymore.
The policemen still hesitated about what to do. One tried to talk the other into doing it. The latter retorted, “You do it yourself.”
Then she heard the young man’s voice saying. “Well then give it to me.”
Again they debated, quarreled. From beneath her lowered eyelids she watched the policeman take out his revolver and hand it to the stranger.
A small group of people standing further back watched as he bent over her. They heard the shot and turned away in disgust.
“They could at least have called in someone. Not do it like that. Like she was a dog.”
“Why he shot her isn’t clear,” the narrator said. “I couldn’t understand it. Maybe he felt sorry for her…”

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 Jun 4, 09, 14:14    #327
Well, there was a bit of both and that's it really. Żegota did their part to rescue Jews and many Poles tried in isolated incidents. As ever, it works two ways.
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 Jun 4, 09, 14:34    #328
Salomon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Brystiger

Julia Brystiger (née Prajs), born November 25, 1902 in Stryj, died November 9, 1975 in Warsaw, was a Polish Communist activist and a member of the Stalinist apparatus. She was also known as Julia Brystygier, Bristiger, Brustiger, Briestiger, Brystygierowa, Bristigierowa, and by her nicknames Luna, Bloody Luna, Daria, Ksenia, Maria. The nickname Bloody Luna was a direct reference of her Gestapo-like methods during interrogations

Funny how you constantly go on and on and on about her but give no evidence of her actually being a Jew. As far as you have shown there is no evidence that she ever so much as set foot in a synagogue. However, according to the source which you quote (although for some unknown reason you never quote this bit)m there is plenty of evidence that Mrs Brystiger chose to be a Catholic.


pawian:
The problem is that an average Pole tends to extend the 6.135 Righteous` heroic deeds over the whole Polish nation.

They also tend to forget that Poland had by far the highest number of Jews which needed help. When one looks at the number of Righteous from each nation per thousand of Jews in that nation in 1939, Poland suddenly goes way way down the list.
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 Jun 4, 09, 14:49    #329
Harry:
They also tend to forget that Poland had by far the highest number of Jews which needed help. When one looks at the number of Righteous from each nation per thousand of Jews in that nation in 1939, Poland suddenly goes way way down the list.

Like those who tend to forget that there, in Poland, were imposed by Nazis the most draconian laws for helping Jews. Germans used to executed entire families for such help, in practice Germans murdered all inhabitants of the home where Jews were hidden.
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 Jun 4, 09, 15:16    #330
Harry:
They also tend to forget that Poland had by far the highest number of Jews which needed help. When one looks at the number of Righteous from each nation per thousand of Jews in that nation in 1939, Poland suddenly goes way way down the list.

http://wirtualnapolonia.com/2009/06/02/list-otwarty-marii-fieldorf-cza rskiej-do-dr-aliny-calej/

Moim zdaniem, należy podziękować wszystkim Żydom, którzy po wojnie pomagali polskim patriotom, prześladowanym i mordowanym przez sowieckie siły “bezpieczeństwa publicznego” tylko dlatego, że chcieli Polski wolnej, suwerennej. Żydzi mieli duże możliwości pomagania, ponieważ wielu z nich zajmowało wysokie stanowiska w aparacie partyjnym i policyjnym Polski sowieckiej. Co prawda, mojemu ojcu nie pomogli, ale uczestniczyli w mordzie sądowym; pisali akt oskarżenia i wydali dwa razy wyrok śmierci na ojca, wysługując się Związkowi Sowieckiemu za stanowiska i ordery. Ale ja, z powodu Auscalera, Merza, Wajsblecha czy Górowskiej nie mogę sobie wyrabiać opinii o całym narodzie żydowskim.
[...]
Zorganizujmy wspólnie – Polacy oraz Żydowski Instytut Historyczny – akcję upamiętniania Żydów, którzy z narażeniem życia ratowali Polaków z rąk NKWD-UB i KGB-SB w latach 1939-1989, szczególnie w okresie okrutnej sowieckiej okupacji Kresów oraz w pierwszym dziesięcioleciu po wojnie. Mam nadzieję, że teren niezbędny do sadzenia drzew, upamiętniających szlachetne czyny, zostanie udostępniony przez odpowiednie władze. Szlachetność i odwaga ludzka winny być zauważone i nagrodzone nie tylko przez Izrael, ale i przez Polskę. Pani jako Żydówka z polskim obywatelstwem na pewno to rozumie.

could someone translate this

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