Polish hatred towards Jews...

SteveramsfanThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Nov 22, 09 ♂	Nov 25, 09, 19:30 #751
BrutalButcher: Yeah, I guess that's why it's survived 60 years of constant abuse and attacks!! The Jews used Terrorism to get the State of Israel in the first place in 1948. The Jews have blood on their hands too. I don't care if someone is a Jew or a Muslim or a Christian, I just don't like extremists. As I said earlier extremists, on which ever side, are the problem. You are an extremist!!

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Nov 25, 09, 19:38 #752

Steveramsfan:

The Jews used Terrorism to get the State of Israel in the first place in 1948.

The Jews have blood on their hands too.

I don't care if someone is a Jew or a Muslim or a Christian, I just don't like extremists.

As I said earlier extremists, on which ever side, are the problem.

You are an extremist!!

Your forefathers killed most of native Americans and supported SLavery for many years. Does that mean your country is any less legal and meaningful? Which country´s story is clean of blood?

You´re EXTREMELY stupid.

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Nov 25, 09, 19:41 #753

Not a land conflict? That's about the single most stupid thing I have read in a long time. So explain to me why, even now, Netanyahu's ultra right-wing hawks are discussing the reclaim of lands from the 6-day war in 1967? The settlements are about the sky, are they? Wow, I thought they were about the land ;) Israel talks non-stop of the Holy Land and being the Chosen Ones. You are blind if you don't see that.

Everything ultimately comes back to territory. Look at NI. Ask SeanBM or RevokeNice, whoever that comes from Ireland or NI and they will tell you that it is not strictly about religion though places like the Shankhill Road play their part. It comes down to the claiming of land recognised as your turf.

I understand very well the position in the ME. I have just finished reading one of the best texts on the area.

BBut, I think it is you who needs to read up a bit more.

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Nov 25, 09, 19:44 #754

Seanus:

BBut, I think it is you who needs to read up a bit more.

He makes a good point about the new world. What did the white men do, when they settled here? They took all the land from the natives, just like the Israelis did with the Palestinians. That's why I think, the Palestinians will get something like what the Native Americans got from the US govt, once they settle down some. As long as they are fighting all the time, they won't get anything at all. Look at the history of the US, and other places. Fighting gets you nowhere.

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Nov 25, 09, 19:45 #755

BrutalButcher:

You´re EXTREMELY stupid.

I think you were looking in a mirror

I said nothing about my country being pure, or did I? If you looked at some of my previous posts you might understand how i feel about my country.

You said about Israel being attacked for 60 years, i wonder why they were attacked for 60 years?

That's what my post was about, open your eyes and remove your blinkers. Read what is written, work out what it means then write a post.

Insults show a lack of Vocabulary and culture.

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Nov 25, 09, 19:56 #756

Fighting gets you nowhere? Yes and no, it depends on the nature of the conflict. You can't go making blanket statements like that. If Arafat rejected Oslo, which was attractive for the Palestinians, then what hope have we? Hamas and the Likudists will not even accept the preconditions for peace so what's your point? As long as there are two-faced politicians like Hillary Clinton there, nothing will get done.

Look at Tianenmen Square. Was fighting wholly ineffective? I think not!

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Edited by: BrutalButcher Nov 25, 09, 19:57 #757

Seanus:

Not a land conflict? That's about the single most stupid thing I have read in a long time. So explain to me why, even now, Netanyahu's ultra right-wing hawks are discussing the reclaim of lands from the 6-day war in 1967? The settlements are about the sky, are they? Wow, I thought they were about the land ;) Israel talks non-stop of the Holy Land and being the Chosen Ones. You are blind if you don't see that.

Everything ultimately comes back to territory. Look at NI. Ask SeanBM or RevokeNice, whoever that comes from Ireland or NI and they will tell you that it is not strictly about religion though places like the Shankhill Road play their part. It comes down to the claiming of land recognised as your turf.

I understand very well the position in the ME. I have just finished reading one of the best texts on the area.

BBut, I think it is you who needs to read up a bit more.

Don´t worry. You're one of the most stupid humans I've known this week. The Palestinians can get the biggest chunk of land possible, and still they will want Israel out. The other Arabs, too! Don't you realize Israel is a Western stab in the Arab world? They don't want a JEWISH state any near...if Pakistanis needed a new state and it were created in Palestine, Arabs wouldn't care, because the both of them are muslims, but in this case it isn't.

Idiot.

Steveramsfan:

out my country being pure, or did I? If you looked at some of my previous posts you might understand how i feel about my country.

You said about Israel being attacked for 60 years, i wonder why they were attacked for 60 years?

That's what my post was about, open your eyes and remove your blinkers. Read what is written, work out what it means then write a post.

Insults show a lack of Vocabulary and culture.

I did call you stupid because that's the word that comes to my mind whenever I read your posts. I don't want to waste my time. You have your ideas and I have mine. I'm a proud Zionist and you're a proud.......what are you anyways? an anti-jew,anti-israel, anti-America,anti-military liberal donkey.

Enjoy your ignorance.
The same goes to SeANUS.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 25, 09, 19:59 #758
I already mentioned Oslo in another post. It still centres around land discussions these days, post ICJ 2004. Of course it's about land.

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Nov 25, 09, 20:00 #759

Seanus:

Fighting gets you nowhere? Yes and no, it depends on the nature of the conflict. You can't go making blanket statements like that. If Arafat rejected Oslo, which was attractive for the Palestinians, then what hope have we? Hamas and the Likudists will not even accept the preconditions for peace so what's your point? As long as there are two-faced politicians like Hillary Clinton there, nothing will get done.

Look at Tianenmen Square. Was fighting wholly ineffective? I think not!

Since they have no power, virtually, it would be ultimately stupid for them to continue fighting. They need to do what the native americans did. It's time to make treaties and get on with life.

SteveramsfanThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Nov 22, 09 ♂	Nov 25, 09, 20:16 #760
BrutalButcher: I'm a proud Zionist and you're a proud.......what are you anyways? Go and fight Hamas if you are that proud a Zionist. I wonder if you are too scared to use more than an internet forum?

BrutalButcherThreads: 1 Posts: 623 Joined: Nov 10, 09 ♂	Nov 25, 09, 20:22 #761
Steveramsfan Why should I go fight Hamas? Israel is doing the job already...and liberals like you are criticizing the IDF for it. Where are you from anyways? I am sure your country is benevolent, merciful, forgiving and kind to its neighbours!!

SteveramsfanThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Nov 22, 09 ♂	Nov 25, 09, 20:30 #762
I have stated a few times now that my country is just as bad as the rest of the countries. I have also stated several times that I am not a liberal and for your information I have been and put my life on the line in a warzone. If you wont fight for what you believe then just shut up about your cause. Note! This is meant to be a place for discussions not for you to attack peoples character.

BrutalButcherThreads: 1 Posts: 623 Joined: Nov 10, 09 ♂	Edited by: BrutalButcher Nov 25, 09, 20:31 #763
Ogien Says who? Steveramsfan Fight? I don´t like violence. I am sure you do.

SteveramsfanThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Nov 22, 09 ♂	Nov 25, 09, 20:37 #764
LOL You have just shown how mad you really are. You advocate other people use violence to keep the State of Israel safe but don't like violence. DOUBLE STANDARDS I don't like violence, I only said I had been in a Warzone.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Nov 25, 09, 20:43 #765
Seanus: Look at Tianenmen Square. Was fighting wholly ineffective? I think not! It didn't do much to change the regime.

BrutalButcherThreads: 1 Posts: 623 Joined: Nov 10, 09 ♂	Nov 25, 09, 20:47 #766
Steveramsfan You say you are not anti-semite, yet the only state you criticize is the Jewish one. Go live in Gaza ,if you like "Palestine" so much. I am sure you voted for Obama.

SteveramsfanThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Nov 22, 09 ♂	Nov 25, 09, 20:50 #767
Read more of my posts you ignorant fool. I AM NOT FROM AMERICA I'm not Anti-Semite either. I had a holiday in Tel Aviv and thought the locals and the food were very nice.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 25, 09, 22:35 #768
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8378871.stm, how disgusting!! Netanyahu trying to present himself as a nice guy when he is only offering back 'occupied' territory. And this Brutal Butcher clown claims it isn't about land :)

BrutalButcherThreads: 1 Posts: 623 Joined: Nov 10, 09 ♂	Edited by: BrutalButcher Nov 25, 09, 23:31 #769
Steveramsfan YOu won't be able to enjoy another nice holiday in Tel-Aviv if the Palestinians get "their" land back!! Seanus You can insult me as much as you want; you're still a liberal goy LOL.

OgienThreads: 15 Posts: 420 Joined: Jul 22, 09 ♂	Nov 26, 09, 00:44 #770
BrutalButcher Oh my God, you are so stupid Brutal...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 26, 09, 00:51 #771
A liberal goy, that's hardly an insult. Goy, singling out all non-Jews, that really says sth about you. The Poles let you set up your own communities and granted you a heck of a lot of leeway. You didn't even bother to learn their language, you just tried to set up a base. Poland and Russia housed so many Jews.

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Edited by: BrutalButcher Nov 26, 09, 08:33 #772

Ogien

I am stupid because I don't agree with your inexistent opinions?

Imbecile.

Seanus:

You didn't even bother to learn their language, you just tried to set up a base. Poland and Russia housed so many Jews.

"You you you"...I am not Ashkenazi (like the Jews who lived there) so why do you bring that up?

And what is so wrong about not learning the language of the country you live in? Heck, most Americans can't speak English!!

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Nov 26, 09, 09:01 #773

Heck, most Americans can't speak English!!

that old gag. out of curiosity, where are you from dear lad?

it will never cease to amaze me how much the world loves to talk about the Americans' poor English, especially the Brits. why is it that people never mention Irish or Scottish English? You think those dialects are flawless?

The last Irish guy I spoke to said to me, "I am in Poland 4 months now". not kidding.

OgienThreads: 15 Posts: 420 Joined: Jul 22, 09 ♂	Nov 26, 09, 09:50 #774
BrutalButcher Brutal, the only imbecile is you. I come in to say that the OP is stupid because he generalizes a community over what some few posters said. You go on to try to insult me then lol. Special ed faggot.

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Nov 26, 09, 10:38 #775

Seanus:

Israel talks non-stop of the Holy Land and being the Chosen Ones

Since when do we talk non-stop about being Chosen Ones? Give me a quote of any Israeli leader using that argument.

PlasticPole:

They took all the land from the natives, just like the Israelis did with the Palestinians.

We are the natives. And we didn't take all the land. The palestinians have Jordan, most of the west bank and Gaza. Many of them also live as Israeli citizens in Israel proper.

PlasticPole:

the Palestinians will get something like what the Native Americans got from the US

No. The Native Americans got decimated till the few that were left were shoved into reservations. The palestinians have increased in population, they have 2 and a half countries, and they are part of an ethnic group that rules from Morocco to Iraq. That's a lot better than being a Native American.

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Nov 26, 09, 12:39 #776

Yehudi, Jordan is for Jordanians. So we can say that the Syrians have the Golan Heights? No, we can't.

http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=4&DBID=1&LNGID=1& TMID=111&FID=623&PID=0&IID=2669&TTL=The_Contemporary_Rivalry_over_the_ Chosen_People:_Jewish,_Christian,_and_Muslim_Perspectives

The above link will show clearly just a fraction of the picture, yehudi. It was written by none other than the former Secretary-General of the World Jewish Congress. I have many more links but the first part says it all for me.

'•The idea of the Chosen People occupies a central place in Jewish tradition and liturgy and should be viewed as the key defining concept of Judaism. It also remains, however, the central unspoken and explosive psychological, historical, and theological problem at the heart of Jewish-Gentile relations.'

A central place, wow, doesn't that just speak for itself? He's one of the foremost authorities in the world, yehudi. I don't give a jot what political leaders say, they are shallow and as insincere as can be.

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Nov 26, 09, 17:37 #777

Your quote is irrelevant to the Israel-Arab conflict. This person is an American Jew writing about the theological implication of "chosenness". As he points out, Christians and Muslims also say they are chosen. He's discussing how this concept affects our relations with other religions and how different streams of judaism relate to the concept. All very interesting but it has nothing to do with the country of Israel. We are a country, just like Poland or New Zealand. When we are attacked we fight back. It's got nothing to do with religious doctrine. Where do you find Israelis "talking non-stop about being the Chosen Ones"? We don't. And the fact that you think we do just proves that you can't get away from your preconceived image of Israelis.

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Nov 26, 09, 17:57 #778

BrutalButcher:

YOu won't be able to enjoy another nice holiday in Tel-Aviv if the Palestinians get "their" land back!!

Palestinians think it is "Their" land. I never said it was their land. I did not criticize Israel, I pointed out to you the other side of the story. I have not taken any side except to say the Extremists on both sides are the only problem now.

I just read this article.

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8379295.stm][/url]

Even this guy does not think Poland is Anti-semitic, I think this was the original topic.

(I wonder if the reporter actually did go to Lublin, Majdenek is in the city, why talk about a camp 30km from Lublin when there is one 5km from the centre??)

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Nov 26, 09, 18:11 #779

Steveramsfan:

why talk about a camp 30km from Lublin when there is one 5km from the centre??

Maybe her family was killed in Sobibor. It doesn't say where her Jewish family was originally from.

Steveramsfan:

Even this guy does not think Poland is Anti-semitic,

He says that there is a "broad dislike of Jews" in Poland. I don't see the difference. Do you think he's right?
But the current Polish attitude toward Jews isn't what most people talk about when they say "Polish antisemitism". They are usually thinking about prewar Poland. I get the impression that Polish emigrants in the US are stuck with the attitude of their grandparents about Jews, while in Poland itself things have evolved. (Judging by this forum, there is more anti-Jewish stuff coming from American-Poles than Polish-Poles.) It can also probably be said that Jews tend to think about Poles the way their grandparents thought about them. Our attitudes are frozen in time. We shouldn't confuse what was with what is.

SteveramsfanThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Nov 22, 09 ♂	Nov 26, 09, 18:16 #780
yehudi: Maybe her family was killed in Sobibor. It doesn't say where her Jewish family was originally from. Fair point

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