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 Nov 16, 11, 16:40    #301
legend:
If all Jews IN THE WORLD go live in Israel


Do you advocate all nationalities returning to their homeland as well?

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 Nov 16, 11, 23:25    #302
Such 'neat' solutions don't work. You know, Americans at last have a justification for not finding a country on the map ;0
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 Nov 17, 11, 00:41    #303
Seanus:
You know, Americans at last have a justification for not finding a country on the map ;0

a la cnn or fox. those are the crowns of journalism and sort of mirror how they sense the rest of the world, literally.

as for palestina, i think its time that the us jews and their ties in israel pay for their behaviour in the last 50 years. enough with that.
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 Nov 17, 11, 01:06    #304
time means:
Do you advocate all nationalities returning to their homeland as well?


Yes sure. I know there is a bunch of holes in this thinking. For example there are many mixed Europeans (i.e. German/Polish).
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 Nov 17, 11, 01:40    #305
I am sorry that I didn't have the time to read all the past 11 pages, so my post may be redundant. Or maybe not, because I am going to refer to little known historical facts. I believe we OWE Israel our support. Why? Not because of the revisionist rubbish, to which some Jews subscribe (about "the bad things Poles did to them"). Rather, because of a historical fact that is seldom mentioned - pre-war Poland contributed to the establishment of modern Israel. Take a look:

http://www.etzel.org.il/english/ac16.htm

We ("we" as a nation), for our own legitimate reasons, have helped Jews to re-conquer Palestine. The Polish military trained them, and supplied with arms. We need to be consistent. It would be a schizophrenic act to now turn our backs on them.

(Why is this aspect of history little known? For two reasons, I believe. First, training Jewish paramilitary units could be considered an act unfriendly to Britain that was ruling the Mandate of Palestine at that time. So, advertising it was against the Polish interests. Second, Jews need a national myth, and in that myth there is no place for a friendly Poland)
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 Nov 17, 11, 04:28    #306
Gruffi_Gummi:
I am sorry that I didn't have the time to read all the past 11 pages, so my post may be redundant. Or maybe not, because I am going to refer to little known historical facts. I believe we OWE Israel our support. Why? Not because of the revisionist rubbish, to which some Jews subscribe (about "the bad things Poles did to them"). Rather, because of a historical fact that is seldom mentioned - pre-war Poland contributed to the establishment of modern Israel. Take a look:
...

(Why is this aspect of history little known? For two reasons, I believe. First, training Jewish paramilitary units could be considered an act unfriendly to Britain that was ruling the Mandate of Palestine at that time. So, advertising it was against the Polish interests. Second, Jews need a national myth, and in that myth there is no place for a friendly Poland)


Thats an okay argument however...

There were Poles in WWII that were soldiers in the Wehrmacht I think.
That doesnt change the fact that at the time the Wehrmact were our enemies.

What the Jewish state is doing today is not very "chosen" like of them.
Jews have a large athiest and secular society. Yet the zionist extremist neocons
who arent very religious use that excuse on behalf of the tiny little terrorist country
They use their religious ideas and texts as an argument for stealing Palestinians land.
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Edited by: EM_Wave  Nov 17, 11, 08:50    #307
Ultimately, I would like to see a world with no borders/nations under an anti-statist form of Marxism. Arguably, some say human nature would stop us from ever reaching this Utopia.
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 Nov 17, 11, 09:06    #308
EM_Wave:
some say human nature would stop us from ever reaching this Utopia.


Your Utopia, my nightmare.

It's not a flaw of human nature that makes your control-freak-fantasy unworkable, it's what makes us human.
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 Nov 17, 11, 10:55    #309
mafketis:
Your Utopia, my nightmare.


100 percent agreed. I cant stand any form of communism or far left liberalism. At the same time I cant stand Neocons.

Its always funny that people who want these open borders are communists (like the wallstreet occupiers who want open borders).

Additionally Jews tend to support Communism in large numbers (because majority of influencial communists were Jewish... see Bolshevik Russia).
In fact 80 percent of Jews in USA vote democrat and their ideas are very left wing. More so than an average democrat.
The remaining percent dont vote or vote for Republican neocons like Bachmann, Perry, Romney, etc (see Wolfwitz)
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 Nov 17, 11, 11:43    #310
legend:
Additionally Jews tend to support Communism in large numbers (because majority of influencial communists were Jewish... see Bolshevik Russia).
In fact 80 percent of Jews in USA vote democrat and their ideas are very left wing. More so than an average democrat.

if they really do so, what i doubt, then its because of their own interests. thats it.

legend:
100 percent agreed. I cant stand any form of communism or far left liberalism. At the same time I cant stand Neocons.

whats it gonna be then? darwinism? ;)

legend:
Its always funny that people who want these open borders are communists (like the wallstreet occupiers who want open borders).

nice drawer where you put them. try not to label them, like zimmy does also. there are several other ways how to call them. they are fakkked up by the actual system and wnat that to change. why label? because of a lobby behind all that? if so, maybe some 'blood on the dance floor' will solve that issue faster... ;)
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 Nov 17, 11, 12:21    #311
sascha:
whats it gonna be then? darwinism? ;)


Moderate. You get the best of both sides.
sascha:
nice drawer where you put them. try not to label them, like zimmy does also. there are several other ways how to call them. they are fakkked up by the actual system and wnat that to change. why label? because of a lobby behind all that? if so, maybe some 'blood on the dance floor' will solve that issue faster... ;)


I can guarantee you most of them are closet communists or liberals. Who cares bout labels? People these days are too politically correct.

Yes the American system is ****** up. These communists though have ridiculous demands. Just go read their demands online.
I know plenty of democrats who disagree with them. And I know almost zero Republicans who agree with them.

The protests should have kept their goals simple. They also need a leader not a bunch of street hobos.

In USA only 1/3 of people actually think the Fed is good.
Anyone with a brain should realize the Fed has messed up. It is part of the reason America is trillions in debt.
If they made their demands only to bring down the Fed and occupy Wallstreet they would have MANY more supporters (including myself).

Now many people and the media (sometimes) make a complete joke out of these people on the streets.
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 Nov 17, 11, 12:48    #312
yehudi:
Look at what's happening in Syria now. The whole world now recognizes Assad as a violent despot who attacks his own citizens. And yet this is the same Assad that everyone wanted Israel to give the Golan Heights to.

Saudi but mostly Qatari regimes have unleashed the Islamic mob again, that is what is happening in Syria.
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 Nov 17, 11, 13:26    #313
Olmert wasn't a despot? Netanyahu isn't a despot? The IDF permanently oppress Palestinians so let's not be pointing the finger too much at Assad. Judge not lest thee be judged yourself.
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 Nov 17, 11, 14:45    #314
Seanus:
The IDF permanently oppress Palestinians


Rubbish!
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 Nov 17, 11, 15:13    #315
The IDF is equivalent to the Nazis.

The difference is the Nazis had balls while the IDF dont.
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 Nov 17, 11, 15:21    #316
Tm, have you been watching those propaganda videos again? Watch Burning Conscience for a start.
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 Nov 17, 11, 17:15    #317
Seanus:
Olmert wasn't a despot? Netanyahu isn't a despot? The IDF permanently oppress Palestinians so let's not be pointing the finger too much at Assad. Judge not lest thee be judged yourself.

as we say, clean up the sh1t in fron of your door before looking of the others.

Seanus:
Olmert wasn't a despot? Netanyahu isn't a despot?

they both are/were, backed by us/jewish connection and money in us. punkt
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 Nov 17, 11, 19:40    #318
legend:
Additionally Jews tend to support Communism in large numbers (because majority of influencial communists were Jewish... see Bolshevik Russia).


There's a huge difference between Bolshevik Communism (which I'm against) and anti-Statist Marxism. You should read some of Noam Chomsky's books on Libertarian Socialism which is very anti-authoritarian.
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 Nov 17, 11, 22:42    #319
EM_Wave:
You should read some of Noam Chomsky's books on Libertarian Socialism which is very anti-authoritarian.

agreed, but the anglo world sees him as anarchist... ;)
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 Nov 17, 11, 22:51    #320
I have read a few of Noams books. While I am not as left wing as him I agree he is a smart man.
He is one of the Jews who sees Americas foreign policy and Israels actions as unacceptable.
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 Nov 18, 11, 11:58    #321
legend:
I have read a few of Noams books. While I am not as left wing as him I agree he is a smart man.
He is one of the Jews who sees Americas foreign policy and Israels actions as unacceptable.


he is persona non grata in us. hes too smart for them and simply telling the truth. that is disqualification enough for us admin.
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 Nov 18, 11, 14:36    #322
Barney:
Saudi but mostly Qatari regimes

That doesn't really make much sense. I'd be really interested (I'm in Qatar right now) to know what you mean. One issue is perhaps that many (most/) of the land borders round here are abitrary and defining people by the word on the front of their passport doesn't work.

If there is any Islamist input in the Syrian situation, it isn't coming from any regime, but from private sources.
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 Nov 18, 11, 15:30    #323
JonnyM:
That doesn't really make much sense.

Perfect sense....you know how things are on the peninsula you described the nebulous relationships these places have. The regime is a person, his friends and family.

A lot of links
The bottom one is a good read.

Tiny Qatar Flexed Big Muscles in Libya
Behind Qatar's Intervention In Libya
Saudi Arabia's Invisible Hand in the Arab Spring
A good summary of the situation in Syria
A short extract.
This is today's "great game" – losing Syria. And this is how it is played: set up a hurried transitional council as sole representative of the Syrian people, irrespective of whether it has any real legs inside Syria; feed in armed insurgents from neighbouring states; impose sanctions that will hurt the middle classes; mount a media campaign to denigrate any Syrian efforts at reform; try to instigate divisions within the army and the elite; and ultimately President Assad will fall – so its initiators insist.

I'm no big fan of Assad, less a fan of religious fundamentalists and have nothing but contempt for those who use religion for their own ends.
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Edited by: Gruffi_Gummi  Nov 18, 11, 22:31    #324
EM_Wave:
There's a huge difference between Bolshevik Communism (which I'm against) and anti-Statist Marxism.


Just want to contribute an off-topic clarification, after having expressed my support for Israel in #305. Indeed, Jews are represented in many political options. It would be grossly inappropriate to attribute Bolshevik Communism to all Jews. Or even to the majority of Jews. Nevertheless, it is also a historical fact that Jews were overrepresented in the Bolshevik Communism movement, and if Poles (Jews constituted roughly 50% of the Communist Party of Poland) are "too anti-semitic" to give a reliable testimony, then perhaps officers of the U.S. Expeditionary Corps in Siberia are more trustworthy:

"It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type (...)"

"A table made in April 1918 by Robert Wilton, the correspondent of the London Times in Russia, shows that at that time there were 384 “commissars” including 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians and more than 300 Jews. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial government."

Telegram
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 Nov 19, 11, 18:49    #325
Gruffi_Gummi:
We ("we" as a nation), for our own legitimate reasons, have helped Jews to re-conquer Palestine. The Polish military trained them, and supplied with arms. We need to be consistent. It would be a schizophrenic act to now turn our backs on them.


You're nuts...Jews have enough money and means to do their own killing...They're brave warriors, right?
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 Nov 20, 11, 12:12    #326
Seanus:
Olmert wasn't a despot? Netanyahu isn't a despot?

Olmert was voted out of office in a democratic election and became a regular citizen. He was later investigated by Israeli police because of accusations of corruption, proving that no israeli leader is above the law. Netanyahu was elected prime minister in the past and then voted out of power, and years later voted back into power by democratic elections. Israel, unlike arab countries, changes leaders every few years with elections. No Israeli prime minister has despotic powers. In the arab world, on the other hand, there is no mechanism for changing rulers except the death of the ruler or revolution. Mubarak and Assad, for example were "elected" in the same way that communist leaders were elected, with majorities of 99%. That's called despotic rule. You as a teacher should have known this.
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 Nov 20, 11, 12:26    #327
yehudi:
Olmert was voted out of office in a democratic election

Nevertheless Israel policy is one of aggression and subjugation. There is talk about Iran and Israeli plans destroy their installations.
Its not policy of appeasement and peace.
Are you really in no position to clam down atmosphere in the region? Is there will to try that approach in the Israeli gov ?
Maybe it is a question of ones attitude and a domination of Zionism ideology?
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 Nov 20, 11, 15:19    #328
yehudi:
Israel, unlike arab countries, changes leaders every few years with elections.

dont like that undertone. are you jealous of arab oil and wealth?

yehudi:
No Israeli prime minister has despotic powers

golda meir?

yehudi:
Mubarak and Assad, for example were "elected" in the same way that communist leaders were elected, with majorities of 99%. That's called despotic rule.

we can clearly state that you hate your neighbors.

Ironside:
Nevertheless Israel policy is one of aggression and subjugation.

exactly and that without legal consequences. us is always covering their assss.
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 Nov 20, 11, 15:39    #329
Ben Gurion? He was a hardliner and was often OTT.
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 Feb 27, 12, 06:48    #330
legend:
time means: Do you advocate all nationalities returning to their homeland as well?


Yes sure. I know there is a bunch of holes in this thinking. For example there are many mixed Europeans (i.e. German/Polish).

Do you want to hard cold truth? Whoever the paternal line belongs to will dominate the day except for when push comes to shove, perhaps excluding Jews-- after all, Timothy was a Matrilineal Jews; and Jews have a special place in the world. Anyway, in regards to the paternal line:

Nevi'im:


  • Isaiah 13:14: It shall be as the hunted gazelle, And as a sheep that no man takes up; Every man will turn to his own people, And everyone will flee to his own land.
  • Jeremiah 50:16: Cut off the sower from Babylon, And him who handles the sickle at harvest time. For fear of the oppressing sword Everyone shall turn to his own people, And everyone shall flee to his own land.




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