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Joined: Feb 14, 07 Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: Crow  Jun 8, 07, 15:51    #1
How is this possible in modern time? Somebody can tell me?


Tragic stories of Iwona, Lidia, Beata, Wojcech and Miroslaw- polish parents in Germany...

"Violation of human rights in germany"/ Polish parents fighting for their children : Germans stealing children from Polish parents or forbidding them to talk to them in a Polish language.



German JUGENDAMT has forbidden to talk polish to their children "Children legally stolen by the german jugendamt"

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8039592869205719612&q=jugendamt
video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-5979930355028577617&q=jugendamt

Modern German Jugendamt, successor of old German Lebensborn

video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4965890110400015742&q=jugendamt

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8. First results of EU-Petitions against the exclusion policies of German Jugendmter (Report on EU-Committee on Petitions Meeting of 30 Jan., 2007)

Petitions of foreign parents of binational children in Germany who were excluded from their children by the Jugendamt (German Youth Welfare Offices) are having first results

Report on the EU-Committee on Petitions Meeting of 30 January, 2007

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On January, 30th 2007 there was a meeting of the committee on petitions of the European parliament.

About 9:30/10 h point 14 of the agenda was treated: Petitions of the fathers and mothers Jochimsen, Kraszewski, Pokrzeptowicz-Meyer, Pomorski against German youth welfare offices because of human rights violations of the family life after separation/divorce of parents.

Since these parents do not see the possibility to reach the application of the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice for human rights (compare ECHR judgements in cases Gцrgьlь and family Haase), which is blocked by youth welfare offices, these parents have appealed to the European parliament to request of the German Federal Government to dissolve youth welfare offices as anti-European, anti-democratic organizations with nazistic background.

A declaration of the German Federal Ministry for family was rejected as insufficient by the committee during the meeting also for the reason that none of the youth welfare offices is subordinated to the German Ministry of family.

The Greek lawyer of the European legal commission, Gavrilidis, explained spontaneously and also assured to deliver their statement immediately because of violations of the articles 12 and 14 of the European contract, the UN convention of the Rights of Children and the UN convention on Human Rights. It is an untenable attack on the language and the nationality of the European Union members citizens in Germany. Mr. Kraszewski and Mrs. Pokrzeptowicz-Meyer discussed the state of affairs and independence of the youth welfare offices from the European law and appealed afterwards to the solidarity of all Europeans, who want to speak their own language with their children and to grant them to have acces to their children.

All members of the committee on petitions present in the meeting welcomed the initiative and congratulated to the petitionists. It was assured to deal all petitions concerning German youth welfare offices immediately with priority.

The chairman of the committee on petitions admitted in a television and a newspaper interview that he did not experience a so emotional and so spontaneous reaction of the members of the committee on petitions ever before.

This is a report of the petitionist Mr. Kraszewski of 05.02.2007 to attorney Ingo Alberti.

NOTE:

All youth welfare office-damaged parents, grandparents and children in Germany may send their own individual petitions about dissolution of the German youth welfare offices as fast as possible, since at present a guarantee of priority in dealing with them exists.

In it could be written on not much more than one sheet of paper at least approximately:

PETITION

Youth welfare offices are to be abolished, because they have no legal or specialized supervision, are not instruction bound, put themselves over the human rights jurisdiction and conventions, and they are only influended by local youth welfare office politicians.

Free procedure, short description of a case or copies not necessarily.

To send directly to European delegation, Mr. Marcin Libicki, Secretary-General committee on petitions of the European parliament, Rue Wiertz, B-1047 Bruxelles or by fax at 00 32 - 22 84 68 44 Possibly send a copy to your delegate and to the press for information.


TO USE AND PROLIFERATION FOR ALL CONTACTS AND FORUMS !

deutsche-jugendamt.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html
shopgirlThreads: 7
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Quoting: Crow
How is this possible in modern time? Somebody can tell me?

The video gave these reasons:

Loopholes in German law

Court orders granted upon petition of one parent, without a hearing, or legal representation...

Preference for German as spoken language

What's bizzare is that some of these couples are still together/married and are probably only together, because the Polish parent knows he/she will not see their child again if they divorce. Interesting that one Polish child could travel out of Germany to other countries, but not permitted to visit family in Poland.

And why such variation in "punishment' for speaking Polish to your children, ranging from completely being cut off from the child (no visitation, no contact, nothing).....to being forbidden to speak Polish to the child or help the child with homework?.

Well, I guess here is the answer to the other thread "can mixed culture relationships work?" Yes, but be careful! I'm having flashbacks of that movie "Not Without My Daughter".

In US, parents try to "steal" child away from custodial parent at times, but usually has more to do with hurting the other parent than care or concern for the child, and the amber alert system seems to work very well at locating the children.

The EU will have to work this one out. What other options would there be? Even German attorney cites the "loopholes"and human rights violations of children!

Very, very sad.
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Joined: Feb 14, 07 Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: Crow  Jun 9, 07, 16:56    #3
It seams that when you are Polish and marry a German it's quite sure in the case of a divorce or a marriage dispute, that your child will be then taken away from you. I hope, that those Polish and maybe other parents will succeed in sueing the germans at the european court for human rights for such rassistic methods. I think the problem is quite old, and maybe earlier many people just accepted it, but now more and more people are protesting against such a criminal treatment. The germans have learned to present them to the world as wonderful tolerant and multi-cultural (almost like in a fairy tale), but if you look more precise at them, you can recognize, that they still see themselfes as superior.
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You should add the link for this video to your German petition web-site.
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Quoting: shopgirl
You should add the link for this video to your German petition web-site.

You mean hire?

Against assimilation of Slavs in Germany

petitiononline.com/Slavija/petition.html

There are some indications that Germany is covertly trying to Germanize Poland and the Polish people.

There are laws as pertained to Aussiedler that mean that “any Pole who can prove that some of his/her ancestors were German can receive some privileges from the German state- (ius sanguinis that they are 'of German blood')”. Such a law discriminates and reeks of forced assimilation through breaking of primary human right of self-determination. It encourages Germanization through financial incentives.

So, we decided to raise our voice against such policies and we form this petition to demand the German State repeal this and similar laws. We demand that German State stops its aggressive policy against Poles and all other Slavs.

We need a minimum of 1.000.000 signatures in order to send this petition to some institutions such as Slavic state governments, Council of EU, USA government and to members of Security Council of United Nations, Vatican, Orthodox Churches, Protestant churches, UNICEF and also Amnesty International.

If you believe that Germany should reconsider and ultimately withdraw such laws, please sign this petition. We count on you.
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Yes. Does the web host permit links at that site?
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Quoting: shopgirl
Yes. Does the web host permit links at that site?

I don`t know but, I could try.
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Quoting: Crow
Modern German Jugendamt, successor of old German Lebensborn


I wish...but sadly...to PC...even if we could need another Lebensborn! The idea was good....

Some family ideas in the third Reich were useful like support of families with children...rewarding mom's who decide to be moms for their children...many children etc...
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Quoting: Bratwurst Boy


Quoting: Crow
Modern German Jugendamt, successor of old German Lebensborn


I wish...but sadly...to PC...even if we could need another Lebensborn! The idea was good....

Some family ideas in the third Reich were useful like support of families with children...rewarding mom's who decide to be moms for their children...many children etc...

NO COMMENT
MatyjaszThreads: 2
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Joined: Jul 20, 06 ♂ 		 Jun 10, 07, 10:17    #10
It's not that it only concerns Polish-German marriages, but mixed marriages between a German citizen and a foreigner in general and I think that Brussels is already doing something about it.
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Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Jun 10, 07, 10:29    #11
We have laws in Germany where is defined who is the legal guardian of the child in case the parents divorce.
That is different from case to case and most are regulated and decided peacefully.
Those laws apply to german pairs the same way like to mixed pairs.
And in the case of if one of the parents has not the german citizenship there are in the most cases international treaties which Germany has subscribed to.
Difficulties develop often if the country of the foreign parent had NOT subscribed to any treaties regarding guardianship (is Poland one of those?)...

What exactly will Brussel do about it?

PS: We have big problems with children of mixed background who don't speak one word german when they start school...imagine the problems these children face....
MatyjaszThreads: 2
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I will get back to you on it. I'll just have to find the article on the net.
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Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
I wish...but sadly...to PC...even if we could need another Lebensborn! The idea was good....


. Your arayan quota full then sausage boy? Yes ,child kiddnap and patricide,acceptable in the "new " Germany then? Or do you just blame the parents like your dispicable media did last week with the Mccans?

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Some family ideas in the third Reich were useful like support of families with children...rewarding mom's who decide to be moms for their children...many children etc...


In short ,medals allround for breeding little stormtroopers......

BTW,How far does this "german blood"thing go back in history?Does this mean the English(genetic desendants of the same german tribes) have a claim to some looted gol....I mean Euros?
(proud Celt.)
Back to the origional topic ,as soon as governments gets involved in familiy affairs everything goes T' up,how can legislation guide emotion? I do wonder though whether this story would be quite so shocking if it wasnt for the two nationalities involved,mind you ,any nation fining its own citizens for speaking another language,thats odd to say the least,in the UK we have little old Ittalian ladies that have lived here for 60+ years and still dont speak a word of english,if they are happy and can get by who cares?Are the Nurnberg laws still on statue in Germany?They seem to be.....Id like to be proven wrong.
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Joined: Apr 6, 07 ♀ 		 Jun 10, 07, 15:03    #14
It seems an example of some very bad, and possibly antiquated, laws that are in need of reform.

Not allowing a child to travel out of Deutschland to Poland to visit relatives is beyond "unacceptable" in my mind.
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Joined: May 29, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 10, 07, 15:12    #15
Bratwurst > This is the fruit of your Jewish-controlled government. ^^

Germany has been f***ed up since the fall of Der Dritte Reich.
The Americans came and .. well, Americanized the whole Western sector. Then came the multi-culturalistic hippies with all their utopian ideals. Together with those two factors have the Jews lucrated on what may've been done to them during WW2 and have since then seeked to change everything into its opposite.

Germany has moved from being a ultra-right state to a ultra-left one in many ways.
What is there to be proud of..?

This current topic is pretty ironic. They've let islamists polute every corner of the German state, but they still keep up some regulations for Poles. - Maybe the Jewish minister of law thinks it to be all-right to punish the Poles for what she may see as a people, who discriminated them - EVEN though Poland has been the most open country for Jews, when everyone else rejected them, historically?

This thing doesn't help much. It isn't enough to to take away children and only think of the language skills. If Muslims don't want to fit in in a Western society, they should be kicked out to find a place, where their way of thinking is shared with the rest of the community.

/PPWW!
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Quoting: isthatu
In short ,medals allround for breeding little stormtroopers......


Nope...just more money for families with children...more places in kindergartens ...more support for one-parent families...
(more little stormtroopers will follow automatically) :)

First steps are already done to help families more!


For the Islamists...they better don't try our patience to much...
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Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
they better don't try our patience to much...


Hmmm, where did you learn your English language skills, in the deep south
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Last time I looked Berlin is rather in the middle...
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What stunned me was a documentary about Polish infants, children stolen, due to their Aryan appearance and raised as Germans.

When their Polish families eventually tracked them down these children, now adults, had an attitude of " why, what for " in regards to contact to their Polish Mothers, Fathers, brothers, sisters- quite arrogant really, considering their families had gone to hell and back to find them. They have Polish blood in their veins- not German.
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Quoting: anielka
When their Polish families eventually tracked them down these children, now adults, had an attitude of " why, what for " in regards to contact to their Polish Mothers, Fathers, brothers, sisters- quite arrogant really, considering their families had gone to hell and back to find them. They have Polish blood in their veins- not German.

Key question hire is- How to reverse process of germanization? I mean, how attract former Poles (let`s say Slavs in general) that they escape from imposed German identity and/or how to motivate Poles (Slavs) that they avoid current/future attempts of their germanization.

I think, batter standard of living in Slavic countries, then that in so called Western countries could help, among else.
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legally stolen.

Is that like illegally driving within the speed limit. :)
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Germany is country with historic continuity. Indeed.

It seams that modern day Germany preserved negative habits from German past. When would Germany learn, i repeat asking myself?

Kidnapping of Polish children by Nazi Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Polish_children_by_Germany

Kidnapping of Polish children by Nazi Germany (Polish: Rabunek dzieci) was a programme in World War II in which Polish children from occupied Poland were abducted to Nazi Germany for the purpose of Germanisation.


Polish boys imprisoned in Auschwitz look out from behind the barbed wire fence.

Source:
The History Place
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-heuakt.htm

Approximately 40,000 Polish children were kidnapped and imprisoned in the camp before being transferred to Germany during "Heuaktion" (Hay Action), ordered by Alfred Rosenberg, Reich Minister for the Eastern Occupied Territories. The children were used as slave laborers in Germany.
LIBERAL  Dec 12, 09, 20:22    #23
I AGREE TO IT 100% I HAVE SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE I AM NOT ABLE TO CONTACT MY SON FOR THE PAST 5 YEARS JUGENDAMT AND ALSO FOREIGN OFFICE IS VERY CORRUPT IN GERMANY. GERMANS ARE HYPOCRITES AND THEIR BEHAVIOUR IS LIKE PIGS. AND THEY WANT EVERYONE TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN LIKE THEIR OWN ,DRUGS,SEX,GOVERNMENT MONEY & OF COURSE ALCOHOL , regarding career they are zero, BRAINWASHED BY FALSE STUPID AND GERMANIC & INTERNATIONAL PROPAGANDA. THESE BASTARDS ARE NAZIS AND TALKING ABOUT JUGENDAMT AND RIGHT OF A PARENT ITS ALL A BIG LIE. NO WONDER THAT THERE ARE SO MANY FATHERS BE IT A FOREIGNER OR A GERMAN COULD NOT EVER ESTABLISH ANY CONTACT WITH THEIR CHILDREN'S. AND ALSO THE ADVOCATES ARE ALSO VERY GREEDY AND USELESS THEY ONLY TAKE MONEY AND THEN BEHAVE THAT THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING AT ALL . I AM GOING TO TAKE MY MATTER TO UNITED STATES PRESS ASSOCIATION & WILL EXPOSE EACH AND EVERY NAZI BASTARD I NEED NOT SWEAR.
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Thank god you typed ii in capitals....otherwise some of us might have been tempted to read it...!
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Bratwurst Boy:
We have laws in Germany where is defined who is the legal guardian of the child in case the parents divorce.

And afterwards your infamous Jugendamts do everything in their power to prevent the non-German parent from contact, its not only a Polish-German problem, apparently they excersize it against all non-German parents.
Hueg:
Is that like illegally driving within the speed limit. :)

No, its like legally murdering children because your law permits it, commiting an act thats legal in the light of local legislation but morally its stil theft, murder etc.

But hey you've got your 5 minutes with a sarcastic comment, shame it came up so stupid.
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Sokrates
Try to get your kid out of the USA as a foreigner. Exactly the same thing. Happened to a friend of mine who got divorced from an American lady. So don't complain about Germany - this practice can be found elsewhere, too. I bet even in Poland.
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TheOther:
Try to get your kid out of the USA as a foreigner. Exactly the same thing.

Nope, i'm familiar with US citizen policies and its not exactly the same thing, German youth protection programms are one of the few heavens where natioanlistic and nazi ideas linger, in US its a question of legislation in Germany its a question of prejudice and breaking the law because Jugendamts operate by breaking it.

TheOther:
So don't complain about Germany - this practice can be found elsewhere,

You mean its regular to take away children from their parents regardless of their gender or status and give them to a countries parent? Sorry its not regular, typically mothers will get the child even if they're foreign, even in USA.

TheOther:
I bet even in Poland.

Hell no, Poland has its share of legal issues but extremely nationalistic youthcare organisations aint one of them and German govt ignores this because the situation in Germany is such that every child is valueble.
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TheOther:
Exactly the same thing. Happened to a friend of mine who got divorced from an American lady.

most probably because the lady was the mother and not because she was an American.
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A friend of mine married a greek guy, she decided that even though living in Greece, she would come home and have the baby here in the UK, just in case there would be problems later - her son would be a British citizen - they ended up divorced, thankfully she was living back here at the time, but had she been living in Greece, she would have had a better option of bringing her child home.

As for the German system where children are concerend, they impose disgusting archaic laws on their own!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/feb/24/schools.uk
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Nazi-Jugendamt!!! (I've seen them wearing Swastikas if they think nobody is looking!)
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