Polish Parliament elections in October 2011

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jul 22, 11, 19:49 #91
I am taking my wife and grandpa to elections. I hope PO spin doctors are not reading this post - they would immediately add you to the next poll (one percent of support for each person :D).

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Jul 22, 11, 20:14 #92
I am taking my wife and grandpa to elections. Remember - all hands on the deck!! We are in terrible danger: in terrible danger of what? be a bit more specific sometimes? maybe we are in the terrible danger of these things? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrl5yHPkjwU

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jul 22, 11, 20:44 #93
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrl5yHPkjwU :D Classic. It's funny because it's so true.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Jul 22, 11, 21:22 #94
maybe we are in the terrible danger of these things? - Nope, these: PiS` slogan- Take action, no more wonders.

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Jul 22, 11, 22:55 #95

in terrible danger of what?

To be honest - we're not. PiS are in such a state that even if they were to pull off a shocking win (let's say 2005 repeats itself) - they'd implode within months anyway.

It's bad for Poland - we *need* credible opposition. It certainly seems to me that Kaczynski is now realising that alienating all the decent people in his party has left him with a bunch of mercenaries who have no issue with pushing their own agenda at the expense of the leader.

Gumishu - truly, I hope that PiS are finished after this election. Maybe, just maybe - we can see a genuine "Catholic-socialist" party emerge, one that cares about history and tradition, but refrains from the kind of nonsense that has characterised PiS to date. Something similar to Kaczynski's 2010 electoral campaign would go down wonders - people in Poland are sick of "fighting" talk - and instead just want some decent good old fashioned Nordic social democracy.

It always surprises me that there is no real "right wing" in Poland.

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Jul 22, 11, 23:38 #96

I am taking my wife and grandpa to elections. Remember - all hands on the deck!! We are in terrible danger:

in terrible danger of what? be a bit more specific sometimes?

maybe we are in the terrible danger of these things? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrl5yHPkjwU

another classic ... was removed from youtube because of 'multiple breaking of copyright laws' (on behalf of Polish state TV) - read: Tusk realizes when they joke about him it is not going to be fun around the ballot box

but I am digging and I will find it

and I did - but you have to be patient - cabinet meeting in Peru featuring Chinese infrastructure construction manager ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqpI3SmRR00 - you have to be patient because the cabinet meeting starts at 37:45

(they have went after all shorter pieces that only included the cabinet meeting for the obvious reason the youth won't be waiting over half an hour to see this)

for the lacking in patience - the clous is this: Tusk asks the Chinese 'manager' Why are you taking to building motorways if you don't know how? and the Chinese manager says 'Why have you taken to leading the nation?'

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Edited by: pawian Jul 23, 11, 00:13 #97

Gumishu - you have to be patient because the cabinet meeting starts at 37:45

Oosp, I am not that patient. I reached 5 minute and that was too much.

for the lacking in patience - the clous is this: Tusk asks the Chinese 'manager' Why are you taking to building motorways if you don't know how? and the Chinese manager says 'Why have you taken to leading the nation?'

Thanks for that but it is only a boring cabaret programme.
Still, it proves that democracy under Tusk is strong in Poland.

another classic ... was removed from youtube because of 'multiple breaking of copyright laws' (on behalf of Polish state TV) - read: Tusk realizes when they joke about him it is not going to be fun around the ballot box

Don`t be unwise. I had two TV cabaret programmes removed from youtube for breaking their laws and I got the warning. And there was nothing about Tusk in them. The one you posted will probably be removed too sooner or later. Don`t mix politics into it.

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Edited by: gumishu Jul 23, 11, 00:24 #98

another classic ... was removed from youtube because of 'multiple breaking of copyright laws' (on behalf of Polish state TV) - read: Tusk realizes when they joke about him it is not going to be fun around the ballot box

Don`t be unwise. I had two TV cabaret programmes removed from youtube for breaking their laws and I got the warning. And there was nothing about Tusk in them. The one you posted will probably be removed too sooner or later. Don`t mix politics into it.

so why was this 'vulnerable' stuff removed so soon?? while many other cabarets hang for months or years - need examples??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI2ZHKdJxTM&NR=1 - - this one was posted in 2007 - nobody cares because it does not imply Tusk is no good at governing the country - they (PO) know very well that ridiculing political opponents is a powerful weapon (they kept on and still keep on ridiculing PiS (which I don't deny PiS is asking for after 2007 parliamentary loss)

and about some cabarets - yes some don't want to have their stuff readily available on the web - while I doubt Robert Górski is among these

btw you don't have to wait the whole half an hour to see 'the Peru cabinet meeting' - just click on the right minutes 37:45 and the wait will be much shorter

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 23, 11, 00:27 #99
so why was this 'vulnerable' stuff removed so soon? Because it was reported? Don't forget that there are elements within the opposition that might desire a PiS collapse - politics is a dirty game, after all.

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Jul 23, 11, 00:35 #100

Because it was reported?

why wasn't stuff hanging there since 2007 reported - it has TVP2 signs on it - nobody cares - why - because it causes no troubles to the ruling prime minister and his company - had things like that happened while PiS-led coalition was ruling there would have been massive outcry in the media from Tuamotu to Jamaica of an outrageaous violation of freedom of speech in Poland (you could see some cabarets freely making fun of Kaczyńskis in the height of their power in the state run TV - and guess what the jokes were mostly flat out primitive)

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Edited by: gumishu Jul 23, 11, 00:44 #101

Chinese manager: No ja sie nie znam na budowie. Ja pracował w restauracji.
Tusk: No jak się nie znasz na budowie, to co się bierzesz za budowanie?
Chinese manager: A pan sie co wziął za rządzenie?

it must have been very very painful

you have to watch it, it's worth it - they really do a good job (good acting and stuff) - http://www.youtube.com/user/Filmydokumentalne1#p/u/2/lqpI3SmRR00 - if you move the pointer to 37:45 you will only wait a couple of minutes to watch the "Polish cabinet meeting in Peru" :)

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Aug 27, 11, 22:57 #102

Opposition loses first election campaign legal joust
24.08.2011 12:49
A court in Warsaw has ruled that the opposition Law and Justice party must apologise for making false statements about the government's record, ahead of the 9 October election. Law and Justice must make apologise and give 10,000 zloty (2,500 euros) to charity.

The catalyst for the case was the slogan under which the Civic Platform (PO), the senior coalition partner, is running its campaign. The centre-right party is drumming up support under the banner: “Poland is being built” (Polska jest w budowie). However, conservative rival Law and Justice (PiS) responded at a press conference that Poland is not being built but, “Poland is in a mess” (Polska jest w balaganie), adding that some of the planned or current investments that the senior coalition partner was claiming credit for could be ascribed to the work of previous governments.
Politicians from Civic Platform called for “a public correction of the false information that was uttered during the press conference of Law and Justice chief of staff Tomasz Poreba and spokesman Adam Hofman.”

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/53869,Opposition-loses-first-electio n-campaign-legal-joust

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Aug 27, 11, 23:28 #103

Opposition loses first election campaign legal joust

of all cases that PO advertised as the succesful government projects (some 95 listed in their promo material) the court has found actually FOUR were the projects started and completed by PO government - of course according to basic logic the court had to state that PiS has given a false information claiming that these 95 projects were not to be thanked for solely to PO government and it has to make it good

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Aug 27, 11, 23:50 #104

of all cases that PO advertised as the succesful government projects (some 95 listed in their promo material) the court has found actually FOUR were the projects started and completed by PO government - of course according to basic logic the court had to state that PiS has given a false information claiming that these 95 projects were not to be thanked for solely to PO government and it has to make it good

Actually, these 4 projects were highlighted to the court by PO as examples of PiS` lies. There was no need to discuss the remaining 95 out of 99.

The newest poll:

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Aug 27, 11, 23:57 #105
you know I would vote for PJN had not they destroyed mu trust in them before - I am getting fed up with PiS actually but there is little choice left for me - I hope the PJN join forces with PiS again after Kaczyński is ousted -

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Aug 28, 11, 00:28 #106
you know I would vote for PJN had not they destroyed mu trust in them before - I am getting fed up with PiS actually but there is little choice left for me - I hope the PJN join forces with PiS again after Kaczyński is ousted - Both PJN and PIS come from the same abominable root. :):):)

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Aug 30, 11, 08:34 #107

Why not PiS?

I just can`t stand those hypocrites. They cry out loud about law and order, (PiS means Law and Justice) but it seems they think abiding law is good for others, not themselves.
Last Saturday, coming back to Warsaw from PiS convention in Wrocław, the chairman`s driver made a few dozen road offences. PiS spokesman denied it was his boss`s car.
Not only hypocrites, but also liars!

http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1715640,0,1,szalencza-jazda-kaczynskiego--czyli -prezesa-ped-do-wladzy,wiadomosc.html

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron Aug 30, 11, 10:35 #108
Not only hypocrites, but also liars! And not only liars, hypocrites, but also cowards. They dare not debate anybody from PO on neutral ground because they know they would get verbally slaughtered-it would be repeat of Kaczynski in 2007. And by the way how irritating is that professional pieniarsz Hoffman-PIS spokesman?

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Aug 30, 11, 22:00 #109

=hague1cmaeron]They dare not debate anybody from PO on neutral ground

Yes, it is really unbelievable. PiS, the major opposition party, refuses to run debates with the ruling party!

Have you ever heard or seen anything like that in your countries?

=hague1cmaeron]And by the way how irritating is that professional pieniarsz Hoffman-PIS spokesman?

Yes, this cheeky guy can be described as slick a....e. :):):):

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Edited by: grubas Aug 30, 11, 22:11 #110

I will most likely be in Poland at the time of elections and if I won't have anything better to do I am going to vote for the first time in my life.I will vote either for Ruch Palikota or Kongres Nowej Prawicy (I even consider joining either party).Hopefully there is more smart people in Poland to do the same because it's a high time to kick out PO PiS SLD and PSL pigs out of Sejm.So,I am not voting "for" but more like "against" and I encorage you guys to vote Palikot or KNP too!We need a change in this country!

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Edited by: Ironside Aug 30, 11, 22:15 #111

I just can`t stand those hypocrites. They cry out loud about law and order, (PiS means Law and Justice) but it seems they think abiding law is good for others, not themselves.
Last Saturda

you are an idiot pawian, ?Po tells the truth and only truth, you are an unbelievably moronic individual

es, it is really unbelievable. PiS, the major opposition party, refuses to run debates with the ruling party!

I don't care what PiS does but being in their boots I would not debate with PO, what would be the point, they will lie anyway, and their are trash anyway ....

So,I am not voting "for" but more like "against" and I encourage you guys to vote Palikot or KNP too!We need a change in this country!

there is no future to voting against, there geniuses like you voting against voted PO to power, vote Palikot ? You seemed like dude with brain, but its only porridge:(

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Aug 30, 11, 22:36 #112

there is no future to voting against, there geniuses like you voting against voted PO to power, vote Palikot ? You seemed like dude with brain, but its only porridge:(

I don't care,I only want PO PiS SLD and PSL OUT!!!They have had over 21 years to show what they are capable of and I am not impressed at all matter of fact I am pissed!Palikot is a decent dude and even though I don't really like the way he is presenting himself sometimes he talks some sense.My preferable option to be honest would be to rozjebać the whole system thru the revolution and then start over with a new one without any crook who held any postion within the last 21 years but it seems not enough Poles are ready to go with this somewhat radical option.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Aug 30, 11, 22:38 #113
Palikot is crook himself, and he will not kick them all out, you are dreaming. Anyway, he will get 0,7% votes ......

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Edited by: pawian Aug 30, 11, 22:49 #114

=Ironside]you are an idiot pawian, you are an unbelievably moronic individual

Thank you. Your name calling only proves that PiS and his supporters must be isolated like rabied dogs which pose danger to people. :):):):)

=Ironside] being in their boots I would not debate with PO, what would be the point, they will lie anyway, and their are trash anyway ....

Very good. )::):): In this way, PiS is going to lose and that will be a great success of Poland.

=Ironside] You seemed like dude with brain, but its only porridge:(

It is not nice to say so about Grubas. I don`t agree with his opinion but I respect his political preferences. At the same time, I don`t respect you because you are so frustrated. :):):):):) I pity you, though. I hope you will find proper balance in life sooner or later.

=grubas] and I encorage you guys to vote Palikot or KNP too!We need a change in this country!

I am sorry, grubas, I can`t vote Palikot because he is too anticlerical. Apart from dispersing the existing political system, he also wants to abolish the Church. Come on, Catholic religion is a long lasting Polish tradition, generations of Poles depended on it in times of trouble.
Sorry, but Palikot is going to lose. I admit he is a honourable politician, though, because he resigned from his PM office when he left PO.

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Aug 30, 11, 23:00 #115

Yes, it is really unbelievable. PiS, the major opposition party, refuses to run debates with the ruling party!

To be entirely fair, it's probably a sign of an utter lack of talent beyond the main big figures - PO have much more "strength in depth", whereas PiS are relying on a few heavyweights. Kaczynski would get slaughtered by the other big 3 in a debate - they wouldn't let him broadcast his usual nonsense, and he's showing no attempt to fight PO on the real issues (which, paradoxically, is his best hope of winning).

Very good. )::):): In this way, PiS is going to lose and that will be a great success of Poland.

You know, the biggest question in this election is - who will PO form a coalition with? Will it be the SLD, or PSL?

(personally - the SLD would be better - they have no interest in maintaining KRUS, nor do they have any interest in subsidising Solidarność controlled industries)

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Edited by: pawian Aug 30, 11, 23:03 #116

Delphian - You know, the biggest question in this election is - who will PO form a coalition with? Will it be the SLD, or PSL?
(personally - the SLD would be better - they have no interest in maintaining KRUS, nor do they have any interest in subsidising Solidarność controlled industries)

SLD, as former communists, are abominable to me.

However, I won`t object to PO forming a coalition with them. Anything goes to stop rabied dogs from getting power in Poland.

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Aug 30, 11, 23:07 #117

However, I won`t object to PO forming a coalition with them. Anything goes to stop rabied dogs from getting power in Poland.

This is the funny thing - PiS suddenly changed their tune in recent months when they realised that even if they win the election, they'll have to rely on the SLD to get a majority in the Sejm - but the SLD have been...hmm..rather cool, shall we say?

Insulting PSL voters recently won't have helped them either - seriously, Mr Kaczynski, get a grip on your party!

(it's my feeling that people are destroying PiS intentionally in order to remove Kaczynski after this election)

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Edited by: pawian Aug 30, 11, 23:22 #118

=delphiandomine]This is the funny thing - PiS suddenly changed their tune in recent months when they realised that even if they win the election, they'll have to rely on the SLD to get a majority in the Sejm - but the SLD have been...hmm..rather cool, shall we say?

These two parties are like fire and water - completely opposite. But to get power, they are able to forget about differences. Hopefully, they won`t win the majority.

=delphiandomine]Insulting PSL voters recently won't have helped them either - seriously, Mr Kaczynski, get a grip on your party!

:):):):) The thing has been discussed vehemently for a few days......

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/54144,Election-2011-%E2%80%93-Opposi tion-in-peasant-jibe-gaffe

With five weeks to go before Poland's general election, leading opposition party, Law and Justice (PiS) has been accused of insulting part of its electoral base after its chief spin-doctor made some disparaging remarks about “peasants.”
Adam Hofman, chief spokesman for the conservative Law and Justice party, made the comments concerning a promotional video of the current junior coalition partner, the Polish Peasant's Party (PSL).
The PSL video shows party members dancing, in what appears to be a bid to attract a more youthful electorate ahead of the 9 October elections.
“With PSL, the situation is that these peasants left their little towns and the countryside, and made it to Warsaw,” Law and Justice's Hofman reflected in an interview with television station TVN 24.
“They became savage, and got dumb-founded, then they dance, sing and vote for such laws... as civil partnerships,” mused the conservative MP.
“The peasants left the countryside and went bonkers,” he concluded.
The apparent disdain for country folk made dizzy by the bright lights of the city by Law and Justice, a party which relies on a sizeable proportion of its vote from rural areas, sparked swift criticism from other parties.
Prime Minister Donald Tusk described the remarks as “a scandal,” while on the campaign trail over the weekend.
“I had hoped that this feeling that the city is so much more important than the countryside had vanished long ago,” Tusk said.

:):):):):):):):):)

PSL peasants offered Hoffman a sugar beetroot:

BTW, calling someone a beetroot in Poland is an abuse.

=delphiandomine](it's my feeling that people are destroying PiS intentionally in order to remove Kaczynski after this election)

Reminds me of Nero Befehl - Hitler ordered a self-destruction of Germany when he realised the war was lost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Edited by: Ironside Aug 30, 11, 23:47 #119
People in Poland do not support PO anymore, PO will win only if they will falsify results of election ......

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Aug 30, 11, 23:50 #120
People in Poland do not support PO anymore, PO will win only if they will falsify results of election ...... Every single opinion poll says otherwise. Every election result says otherwise. Screaming about "falsified results" is the kind of thing that bitter, sore losers do. PO don't need to falsify the results - they're going to win regardless.

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