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Edited by: Moderator  Jun 29, 10, 17:48    #1
Here in the region (Serbia) Donald Tusk is famous for his open struggle for Greater Albania, for partition of Serbia and secession of Kosovo and Metohija from Serbian state and even for use of Polish police (as part of NATO) as occupational force on Serbian ground.

It is first time in historically long and immemorial Polish-Serbian relationship that one Polish leader openly work against Serbs and for the interests of old Slavic foes- islamists and Germanics.

So, most of Serbian citizens see Polish PM Tusk as Slavic traitor and open enemy of Slavic south. I am curious, what our Polish sisters and brothers think about this situation?


You dared to spit on Racowie!? Tears of crucified Serbian Kosovo would found you traitor Tusk!

alexw68  Jun 29, 10, 17:51    #2
You dared to spit on Racowie!? Tears of crucified Serbian Kosovo would found you traitor Tusk!

I feel we need Wagner to set this to music...
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Edited by: Crow  Jun 29, 10, 18:04    #3
Question to Polish prime minister from student of Warsaw university when he have meet with students:

tan, Gazeta.pl, mar; 2008-02-27, ostatnia aktualizacja 2008-02-27 17:24
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80708,4968830.html

Sprawy międzynarodowe: Kosowo i tarcza

- Dlaczego złamał pan prawo międzynarodowe i wolę większości Polaków i uznał niepodległość Kosowa? Pytanie padło z ust Michała Tuska, który synem premiera bynajmniej nie jest. Premier w odpowiedzi po raz kolejny zapewnił, że Polska nie występuje przeciwko Serbii a on sam "jest zakochany w Jugosłowiańskiej kulturze". Uznał, że Polska musiała wpisać się w ciąg decyzji państw całego globu, a zadaniem Polski w tej sytuacji jest balansowanie między interesami światowych mocarstw.

In English:
Why you break international law and ignored most of Polish people and recognized Kosowo? (...)
Prime minister in answer assured that Poland didn`t act against Serbia and that he personally ``love Yugoslav culture`` He said that Poland have to do the same as another countries of the world and that Poland needed to balance between world powers.

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 Jun 29, 10, 18:20    #4
Serbian ultras protest against PM Tusk
10.06.2009 11:10
http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul109898_serbian_ultras_prote st_against_pm_tusk.html

down with Tusk

On 6 June, during a World Cup qualifier between Austria and Serbia, banners could be seen among the crowd in Belgrade saying, in Polish,: “Screw the government and Tusk’s policies.”

The banner went further, saying “Kosovo is Serbian,” and “The whole of Poland is screaming.”

Cooperation between Serbian and Polish ‘ultras’ is not uncommon. At several games last year at stadiums in Poland - Lodz, Krakow, Kielce, Zabrze, and Grodzisko Wielkopolskie - pro-Serbian nationalist banners, in both Serbian and Polish, read: “Kosovo is Serbian.”


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 Jun 29, 10, 18:28    #5
Crow:
So, most of Serbian citizens see Polish PM Tusk as Slavic traitor and open enemy of Slavic south. I am curious, what our Polish sisters and brothers think about this situation?

Most Poles are very capable of seeing Serbs as the bloodthirsty raping murders which they have proven themselves to be.
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Edited by: Crow  Jun 29, 10, 18:33    #6
Harry:
Most Poles are very capable of seeing Serbs as the bloodthirsty raping murders which they have proven themselves to be.

you have wrong informations. Poles are aware of EU and NATO anti-Serbian propaganda >>>

Polish press on false reporting from Kosovo

Beta News Agency, Belgrade, April 27, 2004
http://www.mail-archive.com/news@antic.org/msg05970.html

WARSAW - Commenting on the recent wave of violence in Kosovo, the Polish daily "Trybuna" published a feature article entitled "The victory of lies" in which it criticizes what is calls the false portrayal of the situation in the province in the past.

The newspaper reminds that the bloody violence in Kosovo in March took place on the fifth anniversary of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, which NATO justified by "protection of ethnic Albanians".

Emphasizing that information regarding "ethnic cleansing" (of ethnic Albanians by Serbs) was based on false and frequently dressed up reports, "Trybuna" reminds that for years the non-Albanian population of Kosovo has been forced to flee from its home and that "the Yugoslav Army and police were forced to confront massive attacks by international terrorist groups".

It adds that the leader of the terrorist network Al Qaida, Osama bin Laden, opened terrorist training camps in northern Albania and visited them on at least two occasions.

"The majority of Polish media uncritically rebroadcast news about 100,000 victims of Serb genocide, as well as the disappearance of one million Albanian males and 70,000 Albanian women, reportedly raped by Yugoslav soldiers," writes "Trybuna" and emphasizes that this so-called information was never officially denied.

The paper also reminds that the under the barrage of media propaganda the highest Polish politicians compromised themselves, expressing their regret upon the alleged murder of Ibrahim Rugova at a time when he was holding meetings with Slobodan Milosevic and holding press conferences.


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Edited by: David_18  Jun 29, 10, 18:37    #7
I love Serbs!!!!

Once when my friend drove through Serbia and got stopped by the police on the highway.

Police: You drove to fast, here is a fee on XXX
Friend: how do you know that i drove to fast when you don't even have an laser detector?
Police: I got eyes like a hawk!


Btw It's a true story xD
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 Jun 29, 10, 18:49    #8
Crow:
Most Poles are very capable of seeing Serbs as the bloodthirsty raping murders which they have proven themselves to be.

you have wrong informations. Poles are aware of EU and NATO anti-Serbian propaganda

""The majority of Polish media uncritically rebroadcast news about 100,000 victims of Serb genocide, as well as the disappearance of one million Albanian males and 70,000 Albanian women, reportedly raped by Yugoslav soldiers," So most Poles in the media did get the facts right. Thanks for proving my point.
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Edited by: Crow  Jun 29, 10, 18:52    #9
Harry

lies

CENTURY OF LIES, by Waldemar Łysiak
(pl. kłamstwo = eng. lie)
http://www.wyspywirtualne.krisand.pl/stulecie.htm

Totalnej krytyce poddaje też Łysiak, kłamstwa libertynizmu czyli erotyzmu i relatywizmu, które w swej retoryce toczą jak rak umysły milionów istnień ludzkich siejąc spustoszenia niemożliwe do odwrócenia.
W części dotyczącej NATO autor zajmuje zdecydowane stanowisko w sprawie interwencji Sojuszu na Bałkanach, komentując kłamstwa o „Albańskim Kosowie”, o przyczynach konfliktu, o wiarygodności informacji, o „ludobójstwach dokonywanych przez Serbów” i „zwycięstwie sprawiedliwości”.


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 Jun 29, 10, 20:22    #10
Crow:

CENTURY OF LIES, by Waldemar Łysiak
(pl. kłamstwo = eng. lie)
http://www.wyspywirtualne.krisand.pl/stulecie.htm

actually "CENTURY OF LIARS"
it's from KŁAMCA - liar..
anyways, Łysiak is one of those liars and can't be used a proof for anything..
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 Jun 29, 10, 20:26    #11
anyways, Łysiak is one of those liars and can't be used a proof for anything..

prove it Liar!
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 Jun 29, 10, 20:30    #12
I don't think he actively promotes a Greater Albania, Crow, that's more for the French in their support for Hashim Thraci. However, he doesn't see how brutal the takeover was. He should watch 'Metohija Breme' (The Burden of Metohija) and other Slavic documentaries (one from the Czech Republic and one from Russia). Maybe a closer dialogue with Russia will change his tune on the Balkans issue but even Putin just throws a few words of support around without doing anything.
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 Jun 29, 10, 20:37    #13
jeden:
prove it Liar!

He's a conformist, after communism kicked the bucket in Poland he became a great critic of all things communist although before he was using his ties with the communist party all the time to make foreign trips and release books... Some of his books were pretty interesting though (till about "Asafaltowy Saloon") with exclusion of babling about aliens..
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 Jun 29, 10, 20:46    #14
He has never been in Party and always criticised communism, what is more his books were censored.

Ability to travell abroud is not o proof of cooperation with goverment. I have a lot of his books cristisizing communism printed before 80`

so fail!
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 Jul 1, 10, 07:49    #15
Donald Tusk is a slavic traitor. He should be shot. Now that Kaczynski is gone where will our country go?
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Edited by: Crow  Jul 13, 10, 17:52    #16
in a time when Polish PM Tusk openly supported idea of severing Kosovo from Serbia, humiliating that way Poland and Polish people, Polish president Lech Kaczynski defended international order, dignity of Poles and Polish national interests, supported historically proven and loyal Polish partners- Serbs and Serbia.

Kaczynski
President of Poland Lech Kaczynski, at press conference in Belgrade. May 13, 2009, Serbia

Kaczynski: Polish Recognition was a Mistake

http://de-construct.net/?p=5881

President of Poland Firmly Against Severing Kosovo from Serbia

Polish President Lech Kaczynski drew sharp criticism from some members of the ruling political party in the government of Poland for voicing support for Serbian determination to preserve Kosovo and Metohija province as an integral part of Serbia.

Now, if we were to examine reasons for Tusk`s treachery of Slavic South, we would have to be honest and admit real problems of Polish PM Tusk.

from the same link >>>
The government of Premier Tusk characterized a decision to recognize a mafia state on Serbian territory — which it called “difficult” — as boiling down to a “choice Poland had to make between its key allies in the European Union on the one side and aligning with Russia on the other.”

Tusk admitted several times `difficulties` in case with Poland`s Kosovo recognition. He told to Polish students `that Poland needed to balance between world powers` (follow the link from the post No. 3).

Then also in other occasion Tusk said that... `choice Poland had to make between its key allies in the European Union on the one side and aligning with Russia on the other.` (follow above link from this post).

So, we have to understand that Tusk had two choices. Its obvious.

1. Tusk had choice to blindly follow British, German, Turkish, French and USA (crucial Poland`s partners from EU and NATO) strategic interests no matter that those interests may be in collision with International law.

and

2. Tusk had choice to show respect to the International order, what placed him (and Poland), this time, side by side with Russia.

Most probably that Poland`s choices wouldn`t be that difficult. After all, ``who gives a sh** for international law if key interests of leading NATO and EU powers coming in collision with that International law and in the same time suits to Russia``.

But, so called west miscalculated, for Polish people it was not about Russia, not about loyalty to Slavic world and not even about international law. This time, it was about Serbians (Racowie) and, time would reveal fact- NATO and EU pushed Poland just too much. Polish people and intelligentsia issued its public support to Serbs in many occasions

and we clearly see now, we can understand, even exposed as traitor, Tusk actually admitted that he was blackmailed to commit treachery. He was forced to recognize Kosovo, meaning in other words that crucial modern day Poland`s allays forcing Poland to violate international law, commit even crime and wage even war against Racowie.
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 Jul 13, 10, 19:14    #17
Crow:
Harry:
Most Poles are very capable of seeing Serbs as the bloodthirsty raping murders which they have proven themselves to be.

you have wrong informations. Poles are aware of EU and NATO anti-Serbian propaganda >>>

I think you are dead wrong. I agree with Harry completely. I think actually it is a view shared by all civilised Western Europeans. In sofar as they do care. You Serbs are basically Ottomans.
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 Jul 13, 10, 19:44    #18
Crow, sobieski has the vast majority of Google on his side. It's littered with sites that show Serbian genocide on Bosniaks but don't show anything vice-versa. Polish people also need convincing as my travel guide told me that the Polish press were equally scathing in their attack on Serbs.

The onus lies on you to show how Vlasenica and Srebrenica were not only one-way genocides but were reprisals/revenge.
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 Jul 13, 10, 19:50    #19
sobieski

Oh, thanks for your contribution in this thread. You are so kind

Now, go to the nearest psychiatric institution and stay there.
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 Jul 13, 10, 19:54    #20
You can see why he would think the way he does when you consider how people assume what they read is true.

So, please show him some sources that show what Mujas did and that they started it in Vlasenica in 1992.
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Edited by: Crow  Jul 13, 10, 19:54    #21
Seanus:
Crow, sobieski has the vast majority of Google on his side. It's littered with sites that show Serbian genocide on Bosniaks but don't show anything vice-versa. Polish people also need convincing as my travel guide told me that the Polish press were equally scathing in their attack on Serbs.

The onus lies on you to show how Vlasenica and Srebrenica were not only one-way genocides but were reprisals/revenge.

There are plenty of sources that speaks in defense of Serbs and expose true nature of media campaign against Serbs. Let Poles chose to whom to believe, to those who defend Serbs or to those who justify invasion of so called west and islamists on Slavic South.

Seanus:
So, please show him some sources that show what Mujas did and that they started it in Vlasenica in 1992.

he can google about it
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 Jul 13, 10, 19:56    #22
I agree, I just fear that many have already made up their minds but it's doing the truth the ultimate justice when you show it, Crow.

I wasn't looking for the Serbs to be totally free from blame, I just wanted to read the evidence and I found more and more showing that the Serbs were victimised and the broader context not presented.
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 Jul 13, 10, 23:21    #23
sobieski:
You Serbs are basically Ottomans.


I see here some distortion.If you wrote anti-Ottomans it would be more close.
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 Jul 13, 10, 23:25    #24
Serbian music is more similar to Greek music than any Turkish stuff. The Chetnik stuff in particular.

Tusk is only following his masters.
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Edited by: Crow  Jul 13, 10, 23:34    #25
Seanus:
Tusk is only following his masters.

for awesome amount of money. That`s for sure

then he cry about pressure on Poland

southern:
I see here some distortion.

on the first place, Turks are very ugly and plus stupid as kita

you know for that Serbian curses... `let God give you Turk in a dream /when sleep/` (then one who threatened by curse spit three times and put cross on himself) or `ugly as a Turk`
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 Jul 13, 10, 23:38    #26
I wonder what would happen if Tusk had a meeting with Cetnicy. What would they tell him? Would they tell him why a Polish soldier was released by Serbian forces as they didn't want to hurt him like they would a Muja? Tusk surely must know that Poles are aware of history and will vote with their feet.
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 Jul 13, 10, 23:39    #27
Crow, Tusk (and about 90% of the Polish public) don't give a rat's ass about anything that happened in the former Jugoslavija. Poles like winners and Jugoslavs showed themselves as chumps and dupes in letting petty, idiotic nationalism (Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian etc) tear apart what could have been a very prosperous country.

I'm not interested in any narrative that portrays one nationality (Serbian, Bosnian, Albanian) as the helpless victim of sinister outside forces. All are pretty much equally to blame. Even if outsiders were meddling (and they always do) it was unutterably stupid to play into their hands (as Serbia undoubtedly did).

Helpful hint: Stop your moaning and ******** and whining about great Serbian past and create a worthwhile Serbian future. The cultures that worry too much about the past are the deadend losers in the current world, the future belongs to those who plan for it.
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Edited by: Crow  Jul 13, 10, 23:43    #28
Seanus:
I wonder what would happen if Tusk had a meeting with Cetnicy.

he would be eaten and become kaka, eventually ;)

Seanus:
What would they tell him?

let us stay civilized in discussion. Shall we?

Seanus:
Would they tell him why a Polish soldier was released by Serbian forces as they didn't want to hurt him like they would a Muja?

no matter all, there are difference between a Pole in American service and muja in American service

Seanus:
Tusk surely must know that Poles are aware of history and will vote with their feet.

that for sure
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 Jul 14, 10, 00:02    #29
A Polish soldier is still capable of being converted, you mean?

How do you think Poles would react to their PM being killed?
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Edited by: rock  Jul 14, 10, 00:12    #30
Crow:
on the first place, Turks are very ugly and plus stupid as kita

you know for that Serbian curses... `let God give you Turk in a dream /when sleep/` (then one who threatened by curse spit three times and put cross on himself) or `ugly as a Turk`


When you are weak and desperate you can invent these kind of BS.

This thought was very widespread in Europe when Ottomans were the major power in Europe.

But if someone goes on saying this BS today clearly he needs medical help.

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