Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw

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May 23, 10, 13:03 #1

A young aggressive afroamerican man has been shot dead by a polish policeman in Warsaw's Prague.

http://www.tvn24.pl/0,1657504,0,1,policjant-zastrzelil-mezczyzne,wiado mosc.html

It happaned near the "Stadion" marketplace. Criminal police members were checking on the vendors and got attacked by them. Officials said that Police has met with unbelievable aggression. Vendors were throwing chairs and tried to take away the pistol of one of the inspectors.

One of the policeman is wounded and in the hospital.

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	May 23, 10, 13:05 #2
Would you have posted this if the offender had been, let´s say, a German?

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	May 23, 10, 13:17 #3
Why wouldn't I? Are you implying something? I haven't heard about many such situations involving foreigners in Poland. Hence I though it's worth posting.

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,388 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	May 23, 10, 13:28 #4
frd: Officials said that Police has met with unbelievable aggression. Vendors were throwing chairs and tried to take away the pistol of one of the inspectors. So what do you expect the Police to do, but defend themselves. There is far too much aggression towards the Police in Poland. It is about time they started to stamp their authority.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	May 23, 10, 13:31 #5
warszawski: So what do you expect the Police to do, but defend themselves. I wonder what these guys were selling there to get so aggressive suddenly? Drugs?

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,388 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	May 23, 10, 13:39 #6
frd: I wonder what these guys were selling there to get so aggressive suddenly? Drugs? As we all know at the stadium market you can get the most unlikely people. I was shocked when I went there about a year ago and it was like the united colors of benetton.

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Edited by: MareGaea May 23, 10, 15:53 #7

Karl1983:

Can't a black person commit a crime

Of course a black person can commit a crime. The point however is, unfortunately that one black person committing a crime, on this forum leads inevitably to statements that ALL black ppl are criminals, and after a few sideways in the form of Indians, Jews and the like, the discussion will most likely end up in one big racist slur. That's how it usually goes on this forum, unfortunately.

>^..^<

M-G (why can't some ppl take other ppl person per person?)

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	May 23, 10, 16:22 #8
Karl1983: If you don't like a thread here's a tip don't read it I am a troll. I will keep on posting nonsense here either until I am banned or your head explodes.

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 801 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	May 23, 10, 16:45 #9
This negroe criminal learned the hard way that he can't "f#k da police" in Poland. :) (and please mods, don't listen to MareGaea again when he's asking to censor this thread because he can't stand it when black immigrants get critisized)

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May 23, 10, 16:52 #10

jarnowa:

This negroe criminal learned the hard way that he can't "f#k da police" in Poland. :)

Well, from the news it is hard to tell if he really commited something serious enough to get "shot". Knowning Polish police it might have been an accidental gun shot and they are just trying to cover the whole thing.

They did say he had been charged of being a tax fraud earlier on the other hand it's probably a pretty common type of crime among people who are illegal vendors at those kinds of markets.

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Edited by: jarnowa May 23, 10, 17:32 #11

frd:

Well, from the news it is hard to tell if he really commited something serious enough to get "shot". Knowning Polish police it might have been an accidental gun shot and they are just trying to cover the whole thing.

Well, from the opening post i understand that this guy attacked the police. And i think it's fair that police officers don't take any risk and shoot instead of getting hurt by some crazy idiot who doesn't respect the law of the country he migrated to.

I don't think it was the intention of the police to kill him.

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May 23, 10, 17:44 #12

Thread attached on merging:
Nigerian immigrant shot dead Warsaw

Polish police officer shot a Nigerian man who was selling things illegally at a rail and bus station. The officers dressed in civilian clothing asked one of the Nigerians for ID, one tried to run and was thrown to the ground, a fight broke out between the officers and the Nigerians, one was shot dead, after he tried to rip a gun out of the officers hands.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	May 23, 10, 18:06 #13
frd: afroamerican man has been shot dead so what is the problem ????

Karl1983Threads: 6 Posts: 59 Joined: Feb 28, 10 ♂	May 23, 10, 18:13 #14
If you are an illegal immigrant, why on earth go to Poland? Britain is your best bet, we will give you a house, car, money, woman (optional), and when we try to send you back, you can start a campaign to stay, which is usually successful.

shushThreads: 5 Posts: 552 Joined: Dec 20, 09 ♀	May 23, 10, 18:15 #15
The pic is terrible, and it doesnt look like ketchup even :(

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	May 23, 10, 18:34 #16
He was Nigerian. Pics here: http://nasygnale.pl/gid,12296511,page,7,title,Strzelanina-w-Warszawie, galeria.html

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	May 23, 10, 19:40 #17
frd: A young aggressive afroamerican man has been shot dead I guess this is how gossip starts. Next thing you know, in Poland they kill Americans. The paper doesn't say he was "afroamerican".

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	May 23, 10, 19:44 #18
A guy attacked an armed policeman and got shot.....whats the fuss about....?

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Edited by: frd May 23, 10, 19:46 #19
z_darius: The paper doesn't say he was "afroamerican". I already corrected that - it is in random chat thread.

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May 23, 10, 19:49 #20

warszawski:

So what do you expect the Police to do, but defend themselves. There is far too much aggression towards the Police in Poland. It is about time they started to stamp their authority.

I seem to remember the stink that was created by Poles not so long ago when a Polish guy who was acting agressive in a Canadian airport got tazered by the police. Why were the officers condemned thaen but in this case were perfectly within thier rites? Antoher case of POles finding someone else to blame it seems

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	May 23, 10, 19:52 #21
welshguyinpola: Why were the officers condemned thaen but in this case were perfectly within thier rites? There's an investigation under way... just saying it's not finished yet.

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Edited by: jarnowa May 23, 10, 19:54 #22

1jola:

He was Nigerian. Pics here: http://nasygnale.pl/gid,12296511,page,7,title,Strzelanina-w-Warszawie, galeria.html

OMG, that picture really was taken in Warszawa and not in Lagos?

welshguyinpola:

I seem to remember the stink that was created by Poles not so long ago when a Polish guy who was acting agressive in a Canadian airport got tazered by the police. Why were the officers condemned thaen but in this case were perfectly within thier rites? Antoher case of POles finding someone else to blame it seems

That was a completely different situation. I remember the video (it probably can be found on youtube) and that Polish guy was hardly a threat to the police officers.

(are you sure it was in Canada, not US?)

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May 23, 10, 20:44 #23

welshguyinpola:

I seem to remember the stink that was created by Poles not so long ago when a Polish guy who was acting agressive in a Canadian airport got tazered by the police. Why were the officers condemned thaen but in this case were perfectly within thier rites? Antoher case of POles finding someone else to blame it seems

Completely different situation.
It was discovered that the cops had their minds set on using the taser before they even knew who they would be confronting. There were also massive cover-up attempts right at the top.
Apples and oranges.

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Edited by: jonni May 23, 10, 21:15 #24

welshguyinpola:

Another case of Poles finding someone else to blame it seems

Exactly that. Poland has had twenty years of democracy to sort the police out, and they have failed. The Police should be professionals, however in Poland the 'police' are often semi-literates with psychological issues. And corrupt too. They used to be worse than they are now, but it will be years before they achieve even a minimal level of decency, intelligence and ethics. They often do much more harm than good. I thought they (in the capital at any rate) were improving, but it seems they aren't. When I reported a crime recently, they were actually surprisingly good at first, but then one of the uniformed grunts started to get quite nasty when I wouldn't press charges. Even the detective involved was trying to persuade me to have the person charged, explaining how much compensation I would be able to get, and how the amount would depend on what I claimed had happened. Presumably they are judged (paid?) on results. And despite high unemployment in Poland, they still don't attract graduates.

Was the Nigerian guy definitely armed? Did they use a proper armed response unit? What were they actually doing at stadion? Did they go into a difficult situation without backup? Did they make the situation better or worse. Was killing him by gunfire in cold blood their only option?

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May 23, 10, 21:15 #25

z_darius:

welshguyinpola:
I seem to remember the stink that was created by Poles not so long ago when a Polish guy who was acting agressive in a Canadian airport got tazered by the police. Why were the officers condemned thaen but in this case were perfectly within thier rites? Antoher case of POles finding someone else to blame it seems

Completely different situation.

Completely different: in the situation in Canada a member of the NeverWrong race was confronting uniformed officers; while today a member of the untermenschen (as non-whites in Poland are frequently reminded that they are) reacted to two people not in uniform who claimed to be officers.

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 801 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	May 23, 10, 21:32 #26
Harry: reacted to two people not in uniform Attacking someone who presumably asks politely for papers in a crowded place during daytime is indeed a very normal reaction.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni May 23, 10, 21:33 #27
jarnowa: Attacking someone who presumably asks politely for papers in a crowded place during daytime is indeed a very normal reaction. If they are thuggish, threatening and unidentified, yes. Normal and prudent. And in which fantasy of yours do you assume that the Polish police "ask politely" for anything?

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May 23, 10, 21:40 #28

jonni:

And in which fantasy of yours do you assume that the Polish police "ask politely" for anything?

That's his problem, jonni, he presumes and assumes too much. He assumes all black or coloured ppl have only bad intent. And you know why that is? Because he is a scared little man. A scared little man afraid of change. :)

>^..^<

M-G (A change is gonna come, to speak with good old Sam Cooke, who was as black as black could be, btw)

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Edited by: SeanBM May 23, 10, 21:45 #29

jonni:

Poland has had twenty years of democracy to sort the police out, and they have failed. The Police should be professionals, however in Poland the 'police' are often semi-literates with psychological issues. And corrupt too. They used to be worse than they are now, but it will be years before they achieve even a minimal level of decency, intelligence and ethics.

The English police have shot dead people with out just cause and you have had democracy for how long?

I am a friend of the family of Harry Stanley.

It is unclear to me what happened exactly today in Warsaw, were the lads who were selling the fake addidas and Nike clothes starting a riot? or did the police react too heavy handed and it got completely out of control?

All I see in the newspapers and on this thread are people taking sides. I will wait to see all the facts before jumping on any bandwagon.

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May 23, 10, 21:47 #30

And according to the polish press, the nigerians/africans attacked the police, pelting them with rocks, metal objects, stealing their police radios, and finally, trying to steal the policemans firearm, which is maybe one of the gravest and dangerous thing you can do to a policeman on duty.

The press also mentioned that the area where the nigerian was shot is a known place to buy illicit drugs, counterfeit clothes and stolen goods.

The first rule when confronted by police, who identify themselves, which police are under law to do, is not to run. This will tip of the police that you are doing something illegal.

I'm white, and whenever I'm confronted by the police I always keep my arms by my side, I do not start screaming or cursing at them, and I do not, never have, run. The nigerian failed on all the above points, and paid the price of the police state.

I have many stories where white people have been harassed, beaten up and even killed by police. Why make this into a race thing?

Harry; what's up with the "whitey-bashing"?

Dariusz

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