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boletusThreads: 47 Posts: 1,095 Joined: Apr 13, 11 ♂	Nov 20, 11, 00:41 #61
Ironside: Yes and he lies. No he did not. He was referring to Beata Kempa and agent "Tomek" pledging for the "kibol" Piotr "Staruch" Staruchowicz. This info is still in hundreds of archives. No sense to deny it.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,398 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Nov 20, 11, 01:08 #62
boletus: He was referring to Beata Kempa and agent "Tomek" pledging for the "kibol" Piotr "Staruch" Staruchowicz. Actually, it was Senator Romaszewski: http://www.polskieradio.pl/5/3/Artykul/454397,Romaszewski-odwiedzil-St arucha-PO-to-skandal

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Nov 20, 11, 06:16 #63

boletus:

No he did not. He was referring to Beata Kempa and agent "Tomek" pledging for the "kibol" Piotr "Staruch" Staruchowicz. This info is still in hundreds of archives. No sense to deny it.

Typical PIS lying scum, somebody should really take the whip to those semi civilized PIS clowns. During the election campaign they backed the Kibole at every opportunity. I hope that cretin and political pygmy(not just in the physical sense) Kaczynski does take Tusk to court, this will be just one in a number of cases that he would have lost. The problem is that every time he looses, he just shrugs his shoulders because he thinks he is above the law. kaczynski is maybe qualified to practice politics in countries like like Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan, because that's the sort of standards he has brought into Polish public life, but Poland does not deserve him.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Nov 20, 11, 08:33 #64
pawian: Tusk said that PiS had supported bandits who attacked the police during 11 November riots. he didn't exactly said that. He said that the most damage was done to the Police force by kibole (or people wearing kibole scarfs to be exact). Kaczynski took it out of context.

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Edited by: pawian Nov 20, 11, 10:31 #65

aphrodisiac:

pawian:
Tusk said that PiS had supported bandits who attacked the police during 11 November riots.

he didn't exactly said that.

Yes, he did.

aphrodisiac:

He said that the most damage was done to the Police force by kibole (or people wearing kibole scarfs to be exact).

Yes, and then went on saying that Kaczyński and PiS had avidly supported the hoolligans recently.

What is wrong with your sources? They cut off power to your house in the middle of the debate? :):):):)

And then he went on saying that PiS`s support for right wing youth who "deal with" the Polish left inspires horror.

Check it out.
http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1724878,0,1,kaczynski-zarzuca-premierowi-kla mstwo-bojkot-w-sejmie,wiadomosc.html

aphrodisiac:

Kaczynski took it out of context.

No, he didn`t.

BTW, who do you mean? :):):):)

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Nov 20, 11, 11:50 #66
aphrodisiac: He said that the most damage was done to the Police force by kibole (or people wearing kibole scarfs to be exact). Another lie ! boletus: No he did not. Oh yes he does and if somebody doesn't see it or refuse to see it is either: biased, retarded, or lier himself/herself - simples !

boletusThreads: 47 Posts: 1,095 Joined: Apr 13, 11 ♂	Nov 20, 11, 13:45 #67
A recent golden thought of MP Arkadiusz Mularczyk, a chairman of the club "Solidarna Polska": "I have some mixed feelings and some dissonance. As if the Prime Minister predicted that raising the retirement age may lead to social unrest, and therefore there is need for strengthening of the police-military formations"

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Edited by: pawian Nov 20, 11, 14:15 #68

boletus:

A recent golden thought of MP Arkadiusz Mularczyk, a chairman of the club "Solidarna Polska":
"I have some mixed feelings and some dissonance. As if the Prime Minister predicted that raising the retirement age may lead to social unrest, and therefore there is need for strengthening of the police-military formations"

That is pathetic.

Those Ziobro guys left PiS and created their own faction/club, hoping to be a better, more reasonable right wing party in order to win next elections.

I am afraid with such stupid rhetorics they are going to remain another clone of manic PiS, with disastrous ballot results.

One thing is for sure- they are veritable PiS guys. Incorrigible.

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Dec 15, 11, 23:39 #69

It was really hot in the Sejm today. MPs debated whether Foreign Minister should be fired for his German allegiance. The events were so dynamic that I barely comprehend what happened:

PiS member accuses FM of betraying Poland and voting for second Yalta:
http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1728147,0,1,jalta-ma-byc-wzorem--do-ktorego- pan-nas-pcha,wiadomosc.html

Giant brawl provoked by PO member who suggested that one PiS female member is retarded:
http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1728097,0,1,wysilek-intelektualny-moze-przek racza-pani-mozliwosci,wiadomosc.html

Palikot said to PiS members: I prefer being a European with the French and Germans as compatriots, than you, Polish nationalists.
http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1728098,0,1,palikot-do-pis-lepsi-niemcy-niz- wy,wiadomosc.html

PiS members put on little flags on their jackets, Palikot guys displayed UN flags:
http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1728116,0,1,wojna-na-flagi-w-sejmie-szlag-na s-trafil,wiadomosc.html

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 17, 11, 16:10 #70
pawian: I am afraid with such stupid rhetorics they are going to remain another clone of manic PiS, with disastrous ballot results. It just gets funnier and funnier, the in-fighting is only going to get worse :) pawian: Giant brawl provoked by PO member who suggested that one PiS female member is retarded: Only one?

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,398 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Edited by: pawian Apr 23, 12, 22:01 #71
PiS is filing a complaint to the Media Ethics Comittee about the latest Newsweek Polska cover which presents Antoni Maciarewicz from PiS as a taliban with the title Amoc underneath.

rybnikThreads: 29 Posts: 1,232 Joined: Jan 16, 11 ♂	Apr 24, 12, 00:43 #72
pawian: PiS is filing a complaint to the Media Ethics Comittee about the latest Newsweek Polska cover which presents Antoni Maciarewicz from PiS as a taliban with the title Amoc underneath. Too funny!

peterwegThreads: 35 Posts: 1,997 Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂	Apr 24, 12, 11:57 #73
rybnik: Too funny! They run about threating Russia with war then complain about a comedy magazine cover. Nutters.

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Edited by: pawian Apr 24, 12, 15:28 #74

peterweg:

They run about threating Russia with war

In a weekend speech at a Capuchin monastery, Macierewicz made the startling claim that Poland was in a state of war with Russia.
“What is a situation in which the whole elite dies, in which the nation’s head is decapitated? It’s a declaration of war. Even if the next attack is delayed by a year, two, or five, we have to be aware that this is a declaration of war,” said Macierewicz.

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2012/04/20/poland-russia-relations-st ill-strained/?catid=677&SID=google

Interview:

Question: After your famous statement on the declaration of war, PO1 convened a conference, in the course of which Members of Parliament, Mr. Halicki and Mr. Olszewski, made very strong statements about PiS2, and about (former) Prime Minister Jarosław Kaczynski. They said Poland's society disqualified Prime Minister Jarosław Kaczyński. What, in your opinion, caused all this outrage?

Antoni Macierewicz: I wouldn't call it an outrage. It's more like a paroxysm of fear. A paroxysm of terror. These people are aware that Polish people are learning more and more about the actual course of events, and in particular about the responsibility of Mr. Donald Tusk and of other representatives of his government for their negligence of this investigation. The responsibility, associated with outrageous actions taken during preparations to that visit. For the fact that the President was deprived of any protection, that the President did not even have his diplomatic status ensured, for everything that indicated evident cooperation between the government of Mr. Tusk and the Russians, both before and after this tragedy. And this wave of outrage against the perpetrators, those guilty, the people responsible, is simply growing. Just growing. That's the source of these paroxysms of rage that we are dealing with now.

http://niezalezna.pl/27292-paroxysm-fear-interview-antoni-macierewicz- gazeta-polska-weekly

Biography
http://freepl.info/35-antoni-macierewicz

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Edited by: boletus Apr 25, 12, 14:20 #75

pawian:

“What is a situation in which the whole elite dies, in which the nation’s head is decapitated? It’s a declaration of war. Even if the next attack is delayed by a year, two, or five, we have to be aware that this is a declaration of war,” said Macierewicz.

This quote and the Macierewicz's caricature in the Newsweek should be taken in context of Tomasz Lis'es editorial "Invasion of hartred" (Inwazja nienawiści), http://opinie.newsweek.pl/lis--inwazja-nienawisci,90970,2,1.html .

I am going to spare you all the details there, so I'll translate only the last two concluding paragraphs:

What is the answer to Lenin's question: "what to do?". No one can be gagged. No one can be banned from marching, puppets hanging, torch lighting, even yelling stupid things, accusing, telling lies and insinuating. The democratic society must deal with this wave of wickedness and wretchedness, though it is difficult to oppose the unbridled aggression and boorishness with moderation.

What to do then? To speak loudly about what is happening, to scream about what's going on, to clearly and bluntly call a spade a spade, even if it is known that one would be accused of treason, defection, opportunism - about anything.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Apr 25, 12, 15:07 #76
rybnik: Too funny! not really, there is a real hate campaign aimed at PiS in the media. peterweg: They run about threating Russia with war then complain about a comedy magazine cover. Nutters. You misunderstood something, the point is there is nobody in Poland who would sort out all that mess and that trash in power at the same time, sad.

peterwegThreads: 35 Posts: 1,997 Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂	Apr 25, 12, 15:13 #77
Ironside: not really, there is a real hate campaign aimed at PiS in the media. Not surprising really, they are insane. You don't get involved with mumbling lunatics, you laugh and run away - otherwise you will waste your life talking to someone who will never get a grasp on reality.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Apr 25, 12, 15:40 #78
peterweg: Not surprising really, they are insane. Insane in clinical sense or insane because you says so? Would you tell me (out of curiosity)what facts tells you that their are insane. By the way is it a standard procedure to hate and prosecute insane people in your country?

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Apr 26, 12, 09:54 #79
Ironside: By the way is it a standard procedure to hate and prosecute insane people in your country? I am sure it is not, but whatever the country letting them into government would be a bad idea.

rozumiemnicThreads: 4 Posts: 1,020 Joined: Nov 16, 09 ♀	Apr 26, 12, 11:06 #80
peterweg: You don't get involved with mumbling lunatics, you laugh and run away - otherwise you will waste your life talking to someone who will never get a grasp on reality. well I don't know if laughing at people witth mental health problems and then running away is really OK... one day it could be you or your brother you know?

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Apr 26, 12, 11:14 #81
hague1cmaeron: I am sure it is not, but whatever the country letting them into government would be a bad idea. What kind of system you have in mind ? In Poland criminals and traitors were let into government recourse people were voting them ! So, why not insane ?people are voting them :D

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Edited by: pawian May 12, 12, 20:42 #82

Brawls in Sejm and outside.

During yesterday`s debate on retirement age, Donald Tusk mentioned the deceased President, Lech Kaczyński, who supported the reform a few years ago.

Jarosław Kaczyński rejected it as rubbish, accused Tusk of being Poland`s enemy and compared him to Adolf Hitler.

An unknown MP from the left side of the chamber urged Kaczyński to phone his dead brother for consultation. Kaczyński retaliated saying about unbelievable boorishness and again accused Tusk of provoking bad atmosphere in the Polish political life.

Outside, trade unionists blocked all exits from Sejm, hanged coalition politicians (in effigy) and only let Kaczyński and his men go out. All the rest were in captivity for a few hours. Some coalition MPs tried to get through but they were pushed away and even hit by angry unionists, let alone abused verbally.

Very funny.

http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1744287,0,1,niech-pani-idzie-do-lizusow-pis_ows kich-won,wiadomosc.html

http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1744256,0,1,smolensk--hitler-i-euro-_--czyli -o-emeryturach-w-sejmie,wiadomosc.html

http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1744213,0,1,palikot-to-balt-krzyczal-balt-to -bezideowy-cham,wiadomosc.html

The funniest thing of all is that both main opposition leaders, Kaczyński and Miller, were planning to introduce the retirement reform when they were in power in 2000s. Today they are protesting vehemently. One word of commentary: stinking hypocrites!

PS. Edit: Sorry, it is two words.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	May 13, 12, 02:05 #83
pawian: One word of commentary: stinking hypocrites! Yes a good comment to your political posts !Do not pretend to be impartial!

xzqbq7Threads: 1 Posts: 54 Joined: Apr 24, 10 ♂	May 13, 12, 02:23 #84
rozumiemnic: well I don't know if laughing at people witth mental health problems and then running away is really OK... one day it could be you or your brother you know? I like this, but I think it should be improved by adding 'you accuse', like in 'people you accuse of mental health problems' Then it's really perfect :-)

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May 13, 12, 11:15 #85

"Polish political circus" is the best description of current situation in Polish Parliament. In other countries the "street" is most radical, in our country conversely - Parliament is more radical than the street.
Tomasz Lis said that "for years we treated our politicians like clowns and now they became clowns".

Ironside:

Do not pretend to be impartial!

I don't recall him claiming that he is impartial. Quite conversely he alsways stated that he support PO. So don't be so surprised and indignant in every god damn thread... Nobody is pretending that and you behave like you are discovering America every other day! Because of repetitiveness it became boring and meaningless, just like the arguments of our political class.

pawian:

One word of commentary: stinking hypocrites!

Nothing new... Miller gave recently speach in which he said: it is time for SLD to regain power. After French elections he thinks that also in Poland left-wing party will win in next elections. Somebody needs to explain him that claiming to be leftist doesn't mean that you actually are.

pawian:

Kaczyński and Miller, were planning to introduce the retirement reform when they were in power in 2000s.

Yes, Kaczyński also wanted to introduce retirement reform, but hey! who remembers that!? It was in 2008, ages ago!

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron May 13, 12, 12:52 #86
Ironside: Yes a good comment to your political posts !Do not pretend to be impartial! Just because you say he's not doesn't mean he isn't, once again playing the man and not he ball.

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Edited by: Ironside May 14, 12, 01:39 #87

Alligator:

So don't be so surprised and indignant in every god damn thread... Nobody is pretending that and you behave like you are discovering America every other day! Because of repetitiveness it became boring and meaningless, just like the arguments of our political class.

I'm making a point for the benefit of those readers who cannot be bothered to read all threads and all posts in a thread.

hague1cmaeron:

Just because you say he's not doesn't mean he isn't, once again playing the man and not he ball.

Oh !? man up will you, once again playing with balls...

Alligator:

Yes, Kaczyński also wanted to introduce retirement reform, but hey! who remembers that!? It was in 2008, ages ago!

By the virtue of the same logic because Kaczynski uses toiled that activity must be suspicious and condemned!

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Edited by: Alligator May 14, 12, 06:14 #88

Ironside:

because Kaczynski uses toiled that activity must be suspicious and condemned!

What?

Ironside:

By the virtue of the same logic

I would never put word logic and this:

Ironside:

because Kaczynski uses toiled that activity must be suspicious and condemned!

in one sentence. It's contradicting.

Ironside:

I'm making a point for the benefit of those readers who cannot be bothered to read all threads and all posts in a thread.

You don't have to bother yourself. I'm sure that people in this forum figured long time ago that everybody have their own opinions, and support different views.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	May 14, 12, 12:22 #89
Ironside: Oh !? man up will you, once again playing with balls... No need for vulgarity, and just admit that what he said is 100% correct and that's why you chose to attack him and not what he said.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	May 14, 12, 13:01 #90
Alligator: I would never put word logic and thi That clearly proves that you don't know what logic is ! hague1cmaeron: nd just a Cannot be bothered with a withe noise !

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