Wiedzmin_fan: That's actually the same type of plane as Kachinsky's.
Worth pointing out that you really can't compare a mothballed TU-154 with the TU-154M variants used by the Polish Air Force.
gumishu: not for certain - there is some serious suspicion something was wrong with an important flight automatic procedure - there were plenty of made-up alleged 'facts' in the media who were never friendly (to say the least) to Kaczyńskis (mostly Gazeta Wyborcza) (not to mention blatant lies by some members of the current government regarding the investigation that have been revealed)- quite recently there were tests performed to check how the twin plane of the crashed Tu-154M would behave in similar conditions - their outcome was partly revealed to the public
The results of those tests have never been made public - the only thing that's been made public is certain stuff published by certain newspapers - which can't be taken seriously as it's not official. What we know is that the button in question shouldn't work in similar circumstances - the TU-154M manuals make that clear.
Don't forget - there's one little bit of evidence which would immediately show plane malfunction - and that's the so-called Polish black box, which was decoded in Poland.
gumishu: maybe you are right about what you write - I haven't read the transcripts - my excuse is some dialogues were supposedly made up by Gazeta Wyborcza ('tak lądują debeściaki') - (why don't they release the whole recording keeping it secret instead) - so it is important to know what version of the transcripts you actually mean
The only transcript that matters are the ones released by the investigating committee. But anyway, we have access to the CVR recording - it's in the video that was released by the Russians showing the flight in Russian airspace.
As for releasing it on the Polish side - from the beginning, it seems to me that the plan is to do a thorough, total investigation and then release everything at the end. Quite normal for aviation - apart from the AF447 crash, I don't know of any accident where the CVR/FDR data was released instantly.
Either way, we're still waiting for the result of the investigation. One sad thing is that although the Russian report has problems, it
does make a very good point - the Captain was a "nice guy" - and you don't *want* to have nice guys flying the President around.
I'm just still patiently waiting for the Polish report to be released.
GrzegorzK: 1)refusing to allow any international investigation, and by refusing I mean the literally said they would REFUSE TO ALLOW any international investigations. In other words, any international investigation would lead to war with Poland and allies.(Nato, U.N., EU) etc.
Who asked for an international investigation? Poland didn't - nor is it accepted practice in such circumstances. When that Belarusian plane crashed in Poland, who conducted the investigation? Poland.
GrzegorzK: All i'm saying is why should we blindly trust what anyone says let alone Russians who are notorious liars and hated Kaczynski because Kaczynski was very anti Russia and anti EU.
He wasn't anti-EU for a start. And then, why would they bother to go to so much attention to kill Kaczynski in Russia and draw so much attention to themselves? He didn't have political power, he was about to be defeated in a landslide in the election - why bother?
GrzegorzK: I'm sick of Poland getting **** on, our homeland was once a world superpower in the 17th century, now we are the doormat people walk on us all the time. We join the EU and the EU doesn't back us up, or do anything for us. We need to be smarter about our foreign policy or we will lose our country and our culture, if that means anything to you, if not get the hell out of my country and if you are Polish and don't care about your traditions then you can get the hell out as well, we don't need any abominations.
And yet you live in the US. HAHAHAHAHA.
Tell you what - practice what you preach and come back and make Poland great. We need people like you, who are willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the country.
GrzegorzK: Polish foreign policies are retarded and will get us into trouble. First of all, we joined the EU and NATO and we contribute to both, also U.N. and we also sign Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty banning us from building any nuclear weapons even for self defense... what would happen if Russia wanted to bomb Poland, Poland wouldnt even be able to defend herself, and you think for one second that Germany and France would back up Poland in a war against Russia?? Give me a break, this is madness. They would probably Sanction poland and run the other way.
Usual paranoia. What would Russia bomb Poland for?
|
