2010 Polish Presidential Election

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 26, 10, 14:54 #1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8644411.stm, this could be worthy of a new thread but I'll let others decide. Jarosław will fill Lech's shoes if given the chance. He is doing the right thing by running but won't enhance relations with Russia. It would appear that Tusk is winding up Russia anyway by buying Patriot missiles so what worse can JK do?

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Apr 26, 10, 17:32 #2

Seanus:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8644411.stm, this could be worthy of a new thread but I'll let others decide.

Jarosław will fill Lech's shoes if given the chance. He is doing the right thing by running but won't enhance relations with Russia. It would appear that Tusk is winding up Russia anyway by buying Patriot missiles so what worse can JK do?

You didnt think he wouldnt use the sympathy voting tactic did you all ????
I dont personally believe he should run for president its all out of raw emotion and he and his brother had their chance and did fk all by all accounts
If he is voted into power which from what i am reading he is least likely to win votes (unless polls are rigged) then there is something seriously fk'd up with peoples ideologies and moving forward.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 26, 10, 19:37 #3
Komorowski should do more than pip him to the post but Sikorski is the one with the most oomph about him. However, I feel that he is a globalist and that we should be careful of him. JK may be a homophobe and a little evil but he won't put Poland in harm's way.

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Apr 26, 10, 19:54 #4
Seanus: JK may be a homophobe and a little evil but he won't put Poland in harm's way. But putting him as President would be a backward step. People voted him out as Prime Minister for a reason and LK was on the way out anyway. Putting JK in as President would only be a sympathy vote and that's never a good thing.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 26, 10, 19:59 #5
The mohair beret brigade will have to be hushed up. He would have to spell out his manifesto as we know of him through PiS and he didn't do anything of note. Lech Wałęsa was also the great hope but he ran into barriers too when he was top dog.

OlgaThreads: 2 Posts: 380 Joined: Apr 12, 10 ♀	Apr 26, 10, 21:01 #6
My take on it is that he's chosen to run to avenge his brother's death, amid the growing suspicion in Poland of the true cause of the crash, and to ensure the investigation doesn't get swept under the proverbial rug. He also knows Poland is on the verge of going to hell in a handbasket, much like the direction Ukraine has taken under Yanukovych.

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Edited by: lesser Apr 26, 10, 22:04 #7

I must admit, JarKacz is a hardcore player. Lets wait what spin makers from both sides figure out this time. Which side is able to fool more people. PiS was removed from power on wave of media campaign aimed to ridicule them. Now they are back in the game on the wave of post-Smolensk sympathy started by the same hypocritical media outlets. Mediocracy.

Who will win? What is the difference anyway? If you are not a member of PiS or PO, then this doesn't really matter.

MediaWatchThreads: 31 Posts: 1,305 Joined: Aug 30, 08 ♂	Apr 26, 10, 22:12 #8
I think perhaps he should hold off indefinitely on running for any office. He is in too much emotional pain to run for office. Also I think Komorowski should be given a chance.

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Apr 26, 10, 22:14 #9

Platforma all the way for me and more. If they can get a bloke in who can remove the veto then we might find more infrastructural programmes actually being passed and less free housing handed out as a populist carrot.
Everybody's talking about PIS - as if they ever did anything but ***** - Olszewski was the man to fix the commies back when, and other Poles than him were too soft to implement the purge.
It's all over now baby blue, in with the new. Just a pity it isin't Sikorski.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 26, 10, 23:06 #10
German-Polish relationships will go down the drain again when JK get's voted in...

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Apr 26, 10, 23:28 #11
Bratwurst Boy: when JK get's voted in... That's your official prediction?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 26, 10, 23:33 #12
ShawnH: That's your official prediction? Yes...

Dougpol2Threads: 1 Posts: 95 Joined: Apr 22, 10 ♂	Apr 26, 10, 23:43 #13
ShawnH: That's your official prediction? Not a chance of the Dwarf MK2 winning. If he does I'm giving up after 17 years and returning to Blighty. On my bike.

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Apr 26, 10, 23:44 #14
Bratwurst Boy: Yes... Dougpol2: Not a chance of the Dwarf MK2 winning To both of you.... Why?

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Apr 26, 10, 23:51 #15
this election will go to a second round and then... who knows ? last i saw on tv was Komorowski 40+ % Kaczynski 27 %

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 27, 10, 00:00 #16

ShawnH:

Why?

He is a germanophobe...and a russophobe...he hates the EU and never even tried to hid it.
As I've read he was the brain and motor behind his more softer brother Lech, who did his bidding even as J was in the opposition.
With J. coming to full power the next years wouldn't be friendly and reconciliating but spiked by clashes, diplomatic rows and all around ill feeling as relationships sour...

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Apr 27, 10, 00:01 #17

ShawnH:

To both of you....

Why?

Because Kaczynski was shown as a clown when he was prem? Hated even more than his brother? The fact that enough Poles are hopefully fed up of the (supposedly non-existent) presidential veto? Time to actually pass some legislation through parliament instead of just talking the talk?

Having said that... nowt surprises. My best mate is PIS through and through, luckily he's never sober so never bores me on the subject:)

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Apr 27, 10, 00:57 #18

Dougpol2:

The fact that enough Poles are hopefully fed up of the (supposedly non-existent) presidential veto?

Exactly. We hear about the laws that he's vetoed, but people don't so much hear of the public appointments (especially professorships) that the clown Kaczyński refused to sign off leaving departments without heads and people's careers on hold. Jaroslaw would be even worse. A vindictive pair.

But Komorowski will win.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Edited by: frd Apr 27, 10, 01:05 #19
Bratwurst Boy: German-Polish relationships will go down the drain again when JK get's voted in... fail fail fail fail fail ; ) I agree. But it's not gonna happen.

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Apr 27, 10, 01:10 #20

Seanus:

Sikorski i

Have you seen his interview on Hardtalk by the way? Unfortunately he got soundly beaton in one of the debates with Komorowski.

dtaylor5632:

Putting JK in as President would only be a sympathy vote and that's never a good thing.

Yes, lets hope people's heads overcome their hearts.

Seanus:

The mohair beret brigade

lol.

Olga:

He also knows Poland is on the verge of going to hell in a handbasket

That is total rubbish, quite the reverse is true!

Bratwurst Boy:

German-Polish relationships will go down the drain again when JK get's voted in...

Hopefully not, Angie and her crew are more in contact with Tusk and his crew, so it should be OK. It was a pretty nice gesture from the German gov, to send the Berlin philharmonic to the funeral, in the end i am not sure if they made or not due to the ash cloud.

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 10, 03:22 #21
Bratwurst Boy: He is a germanophobe...and a russophobe...he hates the EU and never even tried to hid it. You sense that this is the direction Poles will be going in? Is that how the German media portrays the situation in PL, or is it first hand experience / research?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 27, 10, 03:24 #22
ShawnH: Is that how the German media portrays the situation in PL Nope...we had our experiences with the twins awhile back, remember? It was bad! And no first hand experience either - we never met or shook hands! ;)

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 10, 03:27 #23
Bratwurst Boy: Nope...we had our experiences with the twins awhile back But that was a while back, do you think the feelings are the same, or whether "enlightened" Poles would keep this in mind? Bratwurst Boy: And no first hand experience either - we never met or shook hands! ;) Do you actually know any Poles in real life?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 27, 10, 03:32 #24
ShawnH: But that was a while back, do you think the feelings are the same, or whether "enlightened" Poles would keep this in mind? I'm not quite sure what you are asking here? Germans have their memories of the detoriated relationships as the twins were in power, why should we expect different now if one of them is back?

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Apr 27, 10, 03:37 #25

The funny thing about history is that you can look back and think, "we should have done this differently" or "that wasn't the best move we could have made". Is it possible that Poles could have had time to reflect on the relationship at that time and become enlightened, looking to improve relationships, rather than going back for a second poke at Germany's proverbial eye? If you listen to the polls, LK was suffering badly compared to other candidates. Maybe Poland might not have the same mindset they had during those rough times a while back...

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Apr 27, 10, 03:44 #26

ShawnH:

Is it possible that Poles could have had time to reflect on the relationship at that time and become enlightened, looking to improve relationships, rather than going back for a second poke at Germany's proverbial eye?

Are we still talking the J here or the polish people?
Do you think he has changed and we will see another J.K once he got voted in?

On the other hand IF he gets voted in it's the democratic decision of the Poles and it's neighbours will have to endure whatever comes...;)

marsoeThreads: - Posts: 4 Joined: Apr 19, 10 ♂	Apr 27, 10, 07:49 #27
From PiS's perspective, who else would be able to be a candidate with a shot at winning? Seems like the alternative was letting the PO win by a landslide - Jaroslaw at least might hold off a PiS vote collapse.

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Apr 27, 10, 11:22 #28

Would someone be willing to give me a "Polish-politics-for-dummies" quick-lesson? Especially what the main parties are and what they stand for...

A comparison to the US and/or Swedish parties would be greatly appreciated... I view myself as a fiscally conservative libertarian in the US (not all issues), and Moderate (Conservative) party supporter in Sweden (not all issues) - where would that put me on the political map of Poland? In the Partia Piwa? LOL What if I'm more of a jack & coke type of guy? ;)

I know the Polish history up to the first post communist election pretty well, then ...not so well... ;)

Mucho xiè xiè - 谢谢 :)

inkrakow

Apr 27, 10, 11:28 #29

skysoulmate:

Would someone be willing to give me a "Polish-politics-for-dummies" quick-lesson? Especially what the main parties are and what they stand for...

I'm not sure if you're aware you're asking someone to risk their sanity... :)

A pretty good explanation is here: http://jeziorki.blogspot.com/2010/04/making-sense-of-polish-politics.h tml

if you find anything else that's good then please post it up as I'd be interested in seeing it too!

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron Apr 27, 10, 12:15 #30
inkrakow: A pretty good explanation is here According to that the UK conservatives are more socially conservative than civic Platform, that is just incorrect, the conservative are in favor of civil partnerships and the PO is not.

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