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   May 16, 09, 22:50   #1
Polish priest publishes sex guide

A Polish Catholic priest has published a book which provides married couples with a theological and practical guide to spicing up their sex lives.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8049853.stm

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I am curious as to how helpful this book could be to a couple experiencing problems in the bedroom. It is after all written by a celibate man.
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   May 16, 09, 22:56   #2
polishcanuck:
It is after all written by a celibate man.

he may have enjoyed the fruits of love before becoming a priest
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   May 16, 09, 23:03   #3
polishcanuck:
his book

Yes I saw this in the news a few days ago, made me smile because it was being dubbed
as the 'Catholic Kama Sutra.' So that should answer your question :)




Headline in the Guardian newspaper was as follows:-


"Sex and God do mix – according to 'Catholic Kama Sutra'"




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/14/catholic-kama-sutra-sex-go d



:)
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   May 17, 09, 04:03   #4
discourages the use of any form of contraception, saying it can "lead a married couple outside of Catholic culture and into a completely different lifestyle".

and people listen to that drivel. oh well.
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   May 17, 09, 07:07   #5
Back in Poland, centuries ago, my older neighbor was getting married and was going with his fiancée to a priest for teaching about marriage. He said that he could never wear a condom because of the teachings. His sperm was a livelihood and well being for his future wife. You know, she was his life's flower and a flower needs moisture to grow...

Luckily young women and men in Poland no longer fall for this crap, or we'll still have nine or twelve kids in the family. :)
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Edited by: SzwedwPolsce   May 18, 09, 15:08   #6
polishcanuck:
Polish priest publishes sex guide

A Polish Catholic priest has published a book which provides married couples with a theological and practical guide to spicing up their sex lives.

I heard that it's a bestseller already.

But when it comes to the young generation I think most of them will not care about this book. They have other sources of sex education than priests. ;)
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Edited by: PolishGirl94   May 18, 09, 18:40   #7
SzwedwPolsce:
They have other sources of sex education than priests. ;)


I agree with that because I use various sources .. Ah this sex education .. ;))
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   May 18, 09, 18:44   #8
I'm extremely blonde all of a sudden, so could you perhaps demonstrate what you mean?

;)

*Skittles off to play with his dinkytoys*
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   May 18, 09, 19:02   #9
Which part don't you understand.? ;PP
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   May 18, 09, 19:07   #10
PolishGirl94:
I agree with that because I use various sources .. Ah this sex education .. ;))

play with dolls kido.
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   May 18, 09, 19:13   #11
PolishGirl94:
Which part don't you understand.? ;PP

Any part?

;p

I still believe in the flight of the stork really!
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   May 18, 09, 19:17   #12
No comment.. xD
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   May 18, 09, 19:20   #13
Arien:
I still believe in the flight of the stork really!

oops

oops.
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Edited by: Arien   May 18, 09, 19:23   #14
Yeah, I get that a lot..

;)

I guess I'll just stick with my stork theory then.

plk123:
oops.

Oh, so that explains why she didn't have a baby!

:D

Phew! What a relief!
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   May 18, 09, 19:24   #15
lol.. xD
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   May 19, 09, 03:56   #16
polishcanuck:
I am curious as to how helpful this book could be to a couple experiencing problems in the bedroom. It is after all written by a celibate man.

You should read it then.

So according to you book about sex should be written by prostitute.?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpuYoK6wv_Y
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   May 25, 09, 23:50   #17
Ironside:
So according to you book about sex should be written by prostitute.?

As far as technical stuff is concerned, it's not a bad idea.

Still, sexologist would be better.
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   May 26, 09, 00:10   #18
Switezianka:
As far as technical stuff is concerned, it's not a bad idea.

Still, sexologist would be better.

Absolutely. It is like writing a book on a cell having no idea what it is. I think Roman Catholic Church should adopt Orthodox approach on celibacy and when a priest wants to marry, he can do this before taking the oath. Ukrainian Catholic Church, part of which I am, has never had any issue with child sex abuse as Roman Catholic. Give your priest an option of getting married, it is as natural as air you breeze in. On the other hand, if a priest wants to advance on the church rang ladder, he must choose either: either you are a bishop or you are married and priest. Solution to many damaged lives and endless lawsuits problem.
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   May 26, 09, 00:12   #19
Switezianka:
As far as technical stuff is concerned, it's not a bad idea.

Would you like to learn from prostitute? Hmm ... need a "sparing" partner ?lol
Switezianka:
Still, sexologist would be better.

In what way?
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   May 26, 09, 00:15   #20
Come on , Ironside, you have to know in oreder to write. It is not a kindergarten anymore. But I would also understand an input of a priest into a book written by a sexologist, prostitute and a gigolo :)
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Edited by: Ironside   May 26, 09, 00:33   #21
Nathan:
I think Roman Catholic Church should adopt Orthodox approach on celibacy and when a priest wants to marry, he can do this before taking the oath. Ukrainian Catholic Church, part of which I am, has never had any issue with child sex abuse as Roman Catholic. Give your priest an option of getting married, it is as natural as air you breeze in. On the other hand, if a priest wants to advance on the church rang ladder, he must choose either: either you are a bishop or you are married and priest. Solution to many damaged lives and endless lawsuits problem.

**** !!!I agree with you Nathan ....must be the weather !


Nathan:
Absolutely. It is like writing a book on a cell having no idea what it is.

Not ! Do you think priest cannot give as much input as sexologist, it mostly psychological knowledge in both cases ..... if practicing sex is so important to be good consulter why there is so many couples with problems?
One could say that doctor without mental problems cannot treat it because he didn't personally experienced it.
So, I'm not saying that every priest is better than sexologist but some might be!
You are judging a book by it's author - read it first and than have your say.
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   May 26, 09, 01:00   #22
Ironside:
Not ! Do you think priest cannot give as much input as sexologist, it mostly psychological knowledge in both cases ..... if practicing sex is so important to be good consulter why there is so many couples with problems?
One could say that doctor without mental problems cannot treat it because he didn't personally experienced it.
So, I'm not saying that every priest is better than sexologist but some might be!
You are judging a book by it's author - read it first and than have your say.

Nathan:
Come on , Ironside, you have to know in oreder to write. It is not a kindergarten anymore. But I would also understand an input of a priest into a book written by a sexologist, prostitute and a gigolo :)

That's what I said.
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   May 26, 09, 01:49   #23
Nathan:
That's what I said.

Would you care to explain yourself?
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   May 30, 09, 23:25   #24
Ironside:
Would you like to learn from prostitute?

Why not? A prostitue deals with a wider variety of partners than an average person. The best person to learn from if one wants to try out something new.

Ironside:
In what way?

In the same way that a dietetician is better at writing on healthy food and a nephrologist is better on writing about kidneys. Simply - a sexologist has got education and expert knowledge in the area.

A priest has got neither knowledge about sex or experience in it. Why don't we tell some virgin car mechanic to write a book on sex. The same qualifications.
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   May 30, 09, 23:31   #25
I completely agree with Switezianka, another case of a priest using his moral standing to venture into unknown territory and try to influence people's decisions. When will they ever learn? He should have put it into a spoof series :)
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   May 30, 09, 23:41   #26
Switezianka:
A prostitue deals with a wider variety of partners than an average person.

Yes,prostitutes have better technique than average woman we have to admit.But there are some non-prostitutes which do marvels far more advanced than pros.
I think it is talent.
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   May 31, 09, 02:16   #27
Seanus:
I completely agree with Switezianka, another case of a priest using his moral standing to venture into unknown territory and try to influence people's decisions. When will they ever learn? He should have put it into a spoof series :)

I agree with Switezianka as well. But concerning your opinion, Seanus, I think you have to agree that priests can add some spiritual context to sex, which if taken completely out of a prostitute or a sexologist's knowledge and experience, may lack many deeper aspects, which both of the mentioned professions miss to confer to it.
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Edited by: terri   May 31, 09, 08:54   #28
Next time I'm in Poland (in 2 weeks time) I will buy this book, read it and express an opinion as to its contents. Knowing a little bit about what happens in the 'bedroom department', I'm sure that it would be easy to spot, whether he is writing from 'experience' or from the 'spiritual angle' and imagination.
Watch this space.
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   May 31, 09, 22:27   #29
Individuals can add a spiritual context. They have spirits, don't they? ;)
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Spiritual orgasm.(when watching Kaczynski).
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   May 31, 09, 22:37   #31
It's nice that he is thinking outside the box.
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   May 31, 09, 22:39   #32
I think he was thinking OF the box when he wrote it ;)
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   May 31, 09, 22:49   #33
Seanus:
I think he was thinking OF the box when he wrote it ;)

Hehe... we are all humans. :)
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   May 31, 09, 22:53   #34
Yeah, a man's a man for all that. Why has nobody said, 'a woman's a woman for all that?'
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   Jun 1, 09, 00:01   #35
Seanus:
a woman's a woman for all that?

They are.
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   Jun 1, 09, 11:33   #36
Nathan:
priests can add some spiritual context to sex, which if taken completely out of a prostitute or a sexologist's knowledge and experience, may lack many deeper aspects, which both of the mentioned professions miss to confer to it.

Well, that would be a good point in case of religion, where sex isn't treated only as means of procreation. In Catholicism you're supposed to do in in the dark, having the least fun from it, only in order to conceive a child. Otherwise, it's a sin.
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   Jun 1, 09, 11:41   #37
Switezianka:
Well, that would be a good point in case of religion, where sex isn't treated only as means of procreation. In Catholicism you're supposed to do in in the dark, having the least fun from it, only in order to conceive a child. Otherwise, it's a sin.

Quoting the author:

"Some people, when they hear about the holiness of married sex, immediately imagine that such sex has to be deprived of joy, frivolous play, fantasy and attractive positions. They think it has to be sad like a traditional church hymn.

EVERY act - a type of caress, a sexual position - with the goal of arousal is permitted and pleases God."


The Polish Cat. church also accepted the content of this book.
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   Jun 1, 09, 13:19   #38
SzwedwPolsce:
EVERY act - a type of caress, a sexual position - with the goal of arousal is permitted and pleases God."

I take it that this also applies to homosexual relationships.
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   Jun 1, 09, 14:34   #39
Switezianka:
Why not? A prostitue deals with a wider variety of partners than an average person. The best person to learn from if one wants to try out something new.

What do you want to learn from prostitute? New positions?
?Or how to please your customer? but it comes with practice, so in order to really learn from a prostitute you need to become one.
Maybe you are talking about theory, but to know and to teach - are two different things.


Switezianka:
A priest has got neither knowledge about sex or experience in it. Why don't we tell some virgin car mechanic to write a book on sex. The same qualifications.


Catholic priest deal with a human being as a whole and from the catholic point of view, if you please. You may disagree with catholic point of view but to deny a priest qualifications to speak about sex -which is a part of human nature - it is a prejudice or a ignorance.

Seanus:
I completely agree with Switezianka, another case of a priest using his moral standing to venture into unknown territory and try to influence people's decisions. When will they ever learn? He should have put it into a spoof series :)

See what I meant - you are a bit prejudicial !!!:))))
bingo



Without reading one cannot really dispute the content but it could be save to presume that is not a book about technical stuff as it seems to be taken for granted.
More likely it is about psychological aspects of sexual life and I say that is no much different from what "civil" specialist offers.
I also contest a very popular view that priest cannot advice people about sexual life.
Whats about a doctor dealing with mentally ill patient, using the same "logic" as displayed above, the doctor should be sick as well.
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   Jun 2, 09, 00:18   #40
Ironside:
You may disagree with catholic point of view but to deny a priest qualifications to speak about sex -which is a part of human nature - it is a prejudice or a ignorance.

It's just common sense. A priest can write a book on Catholic ideas about sex, or theological understanding of sex. But he has no qualifications to write a sex guide. Or do they teach psychology, physiology and sexology at semionars?
Ironside:
I also contest a very popular view that priest cannot advice people about sexual life.
Whats about a doctor dealing with mentally ill patient, using the same "logic" as displayed above, the doctor should be sick as well.

The thing is: doctor has studied medicine for several years, and the priest studied theology for several years. A doctor has got knowledge that a priest doesn't have. A sexologist spends years on studying human sexuality and psychology and helping people solve their sex problems.

SzwedwPolsce:
"Some people, when they hear about the holiness of married sex, immediately imagine that such sex has to be deprived of joy, frivolous play, fantasy and attractive positions. They think it has to be sad like a traditional church hymn.

EVERY act - a type of caress, a sexual position - with the goal of arousal is permitted and pleases God."


The Polish Cat. church also accepted the content of this book.

Well, that sounds very enlighted. Maybe something will change. Still, the thing I usually hear about sex from the priests priests are completely different. E.g. if the married couple do not want to have more children, they should give up their sex life and stuff of that kind.

Ironside:
What do you want to learn from prostitute? New positions?
?Or how to please your customer? but it comes with practice, so in order to really learn from a prostitute you need to become one.

LOL.
Let's imagine I've got a husband. He's a very good lover and gets me wonderful orgasms every night, so I want to do something special for him in bed. I can read a book "How to please a man" written by an experienced prostitute, find something I think my husband would enjoy, read some tips and maybe practise with a vibrator. And then, I perform the thing on my husband and he really enjoys it. Does it make me a prostitute or a good wife?
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