Polish prosecutor 'shoots self after news conference'

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Edited by: Barney Jan 9, 12, 14:16 #1

Col Mikolaj Przybyl was defending a military investigation into media leaks related to the air crash that killed the Polish president in 2010.

He asked reporters to leave so that he could take "a break".

Upon hearing a loud thud, the reporters returned to find him on the floor with a pool of blood around his head.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16466522

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/polish-prosecutor-shoots-h imself-conference

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 9, 12, 14:19 #2
Another life lost? How many more in this senseless waste. And what are the chances of MediaWatch claiming that the man in question was actually assassinated by a Russian hitman?

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Jan 9, 12, 14:23 #3
Harry: Another life lost? Fortunately not.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 12, 17:00 #4
Barney: Harry: Another life lost? Fortunately not. there is a surprising amount of suicide deaths around the Smoleńsk catastrophe - many among military personnel - of which the mainstream media are rather shy to report

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 9, 12, 17:09 #5
Harry: Another life lost? How many more in this senseless waste. And what are the chances of MediaWatch claiming that the man in question was actually assassinated by a Russian hitman? Commenting on the thread without having read the articles linked to in the OP as well as including a pissy remark about another forum member.... Way to go Harry!

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Jan 9, 12, 19:46 #6
Definatly not a Russian hit man.... For sure its a Polish job...the guy missed....and is still alive....

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jan 9, 12, 21:16 #7
We shouldn't read too much into this. They guy obviously has big mental problems.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Edited by: milky Jan 9, 12, 21:36 #8
So what's the story, was he being bullied by someone?, heard something about his car and house been damaged. Does he know some mad sh1t about the crash,maybe he knows it was Lech kaczynski that caused the crash or something..or is just depressed with a touch of bi-polar.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jan 9, 12, 21:41 #9
milky: heard something about his car and house been damaged Unlikely. milky: Does he know some mad sh1t about the cras Nothing that isn't already known. milky: maybe he knows it was Lech kaczynski that caused the crash or something.. We all know that. It is a matter of public record.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Jan 9, 12, 21:45 #10
So what's the story?

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,398 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Jan 9, 12, 21:45 #11
See it here: http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1730766,0,1,dziennikarze-wychodza--slychac-prze ladowanie-broni-pada-strzal,wiadomosc.html

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Jan 9, 12, 21:50 #12
Well! will make him famous, for what ever the reason.

BBmanThreads: - Posts: 459 Joined: Jan 4, 11 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 01:13 #13
milky: shouldn't read too much into this. They guy obviously has big mental problems. thank goodness for know it all british detectives on PF. we can know close this thread. /sarcasm

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Jan 10, 12, 01:18 #14

BBman:

thank goodness for know it all british detectives on PF. we can know close this thread.

Sorry, but he's actually an American pretending to be Irish - in other words, one of your own.

gumishu:

there is a surprising amount of suicide deaths around the Smoleńsk catastrophe - many among military personnel - of which the mainstream media are rather shy to report

I'm not surprised. Given that Smolensk exposed a culture of sloppiness, half-heartedness and general incompetence - I'm not surprised that military guys saw suicide as a realistic option.

Des Essientes:

Commenting on the thread without having read the articles linked to in the OP as well as including a pissy remark about another forum member.... Way to go Harry!

Mods?

milky:

So what's the story?

Not much to say. He's been caught indulging in illegal activities (which, for a military man, means his career is over) and obviously was making some sort of statement with this little attention-seeking stunt. He'll now be retired on medical grounds, and will no doubt join PiS later.

BBmanThreads: - Posts: 459 Joined: Jan 4, 11 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 01:29 #15
delphiandomine: Sorry, but he's actually an American pretending to be Irish - in other words, one of your own. and who am i pretending to be?

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 01:34 #16
delphiandomine: Given that Smolensk exposed a culture of sloppiness, half-heartedness and general incompetence - I'm not surprised that military guys saw suicide as a realistic option. Now thats a tall comment Mr D... do you know something we don't...to me its another sign of corruption and as always the mighty dollar lurking in the background...

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Jan 10, 12, 01:39 #17

wielki pan:

Now thats a tall comment Mr D... do you know something we don't...to me its another sign of corruption and as always the mighty dollar lurking in the background...

No need for such elaborate theories - we already know (and it was exposed) that there was a horrible culture of sloppiness within the air force prior to Smolensk. You'll find plenty online about how they were always taking risks, how they weren't trained properly and so on - and now that more and more is getting discovered, many top guys simply will be looking for a way out.

Suicide (in their minds) might very well be better than being sacked in disgrace.

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 01:52 #18
[quote=delphiandomine]Suicide (in their minds) might very well be better than being sacked in disgrace. <!-- He should have come out and told the truth, he would then become a national hero..

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Jan 10, 12, 01:55 #19

wielki pan:

He should have come out and told the truth, he would then become a national hero..

Personally, I'd have loved it if he admitted that the military was in a shocking state and that they should disband the lot and start again (except with the possible exception of the special forces). Wouldn't have been popular among the military, but this would've gained fans from all over the political spectrum.

The state of the 36th (and swift demise) was disgraceful.

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Jan 10, 12, 02:13 #20

delphiandomine:

Personally, I'd have loved it if he admitted that the military was in a shocking state

D when you see the video and hear his introduction its a pretty poor reflection of what is truth, to me he was saying that he was loyal to the military and wasn't going to say anything bad...Polish people would prefer to know the truth..I suppose being loyal is the price you pay when you have higher rank in the military.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Jan 10, 12, 03:23 #21
I can see how life of military prosecutor in Poland could turn to pure hell. and then: MediaWatch: Comrade wildrover its so typical of you Russians LOL..

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Jan 10, 12, 10:19 #22

delphiandomine:

gumishu:
there is a surprising amount of suicide deaths around the Smoleńsk catastrophe - many among military personnel - of which the mainstream media are rather shy to report

I'm not surprised. Given that Smolensk exposed a culture of sloppiness, half-heartedness and general incompetence - I'm not surprised that military guys saw suicide as a realistic option.

it's not flyers that took their lives

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 10:29 #23
as for curious suicides - the one of Lepper is a pretty curious one - the autopsy: 3 days after the death - spinal cord not broken - the guy supposedly was hanging 30 minutes before he died - he took his pills in the morning

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Jan 10, 12, 10:40 #24

gumishu:

the autopsy: 3 days after the death - spinal cord not broken - the guy supposedly was hanging 30 minutes before he died

that would not break your neck

Andrzej Lepper did not go to the trouble of erecting a gallows and scaffold ensuring that he would break his neck when the trapdoor opened. Instead he went for the DIY death by hanging - crushing his windpipe and blood choking himself to death - groovy

within the officer ranks there has always been a bit of a 'pass me the service revolver, I am going out into the corridor' mentality

I believe he missed though. Back on the range for him when he comes out of hospital

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Jan 10, 12, 10:48 #25

hythorn:

Andrzej Lepper did not go to the trouble of erecting a gallows and scaffold ensuring that he would break his neck when the trapdoor opened. Instead he went for the DIY death by hanging - crushing his windpipe and blood choking himself to death - groovy

the thing is if he was standing on a chair and kicked it away it would break his neck - it curiously didn't - he didn't even move when hanging (as you would expect of someone suffocating)

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Jan 10, 12, 10:58 #26

gumishu:

the thing is if he was standing on a chair and kicked it away it would break his neck - it curiously didn't

assuming Andrzej Lepper was 89 kg it would have taken a 165 cm drop to break his neck

any less of a drop, he would have strangled himself taking 30 minutes to die, too long a drop and his head would have been torn off leaving
a lot of additional work for the cleaners

google the table of drops, fun reading

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Jan 10, 12, 11:01 #27

hythorn:

assuming Andrzej Lepper was 89 kg it would have taken a 165 cm drop to break his neck

any less of a drop, he would have strangled himself taking 30 minutes to die, too long a drop and his head would have been torn off leaving
a lot of additional work for the cleaners

google the table of drops, fun reading

http://www.se.pl/wydarzenia/kraj/maksymiuk-o-leku-we-krwi-leppera-leki -zazyl-rano-nie-chcial-sie-zabic_221066.html

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Jan 10, 12, 11:13 #28

I hardly feel that Janusz Maksymiuk's private opinion is particularly valuable.
he is trying to salvage his own political career so he is hardly going to be sharing any revelations
Nothing in the article talks about broken necks

the laws of physics dictate that it is unlikely that you will break your neck by kicking away a chair
as the drop is not sufficient to allow your body to accelerate sufficiently to get a clean break

don't go trying this at home now, just to prove me wrong :-)

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 11:24 #29
hythorn: Nothing in the article talks about broken necks it says something more interesting - Maksymiuk says there are no traces of Lepper fighting on the rope - and you would expect someone suffocating on the rope to be fighting

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Jan 10, 12, 11:44 #30

gumishu:

Maksymiuk says there are no traces of Lepper fighting on the rope - and you would expect someone suffocating on the rope to be fighting

I read that however Lepper could have fainted the moment he felt the rope tighten

I am not a pathologist. Then again neither is Maksymiuk and one thing is for sure a drop from a chair is not going to break your neck. It could do it I suppose if you weighed more than 300 kgs but then the chair would break, or you would not be able to climb on it, or you would bring the ceiling down with you, rope would break etc

what a fun thread this is turning out to be

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