A Polish scientist (allegedly) caused AIDS

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Edited by: Nika Mar 6, 10, 19:48 #31

beelzebub:

Hearing people brag and take credit for everything under the sun but god forbid anyone questioned them

I think the same of Americans, British & French, funny isn't it? As you see, it's all relative Belzebub.
The taking credit for everything also applies to Italians, but somehow when they do it, it doesn't bother me at all.

beelzebub:

but Poles are the worst about it.

you meant the best?

And what do you mean by "a less powerful culture"?

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Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Mar 6, 10, 19:52 #32

Data from molecular biology and phylogenetic studies contradict the OPV AIDS hypothesis; consequently, scientific consensus regards the hypothesis as disproven,[3][4][5][6] with an article in the journal Nature describing the hypothesis as "refuted".[7]

3 ^ Hillis DM (2000). "AIDS. Origins of HIV". Science 288 (5472): 1757–9. doi:10.1126/science.288.5472.1757. PMID 10877695.
4 ^ Birmingham K (2000). "Results make a monkey of OPV-AIDS theory". Nat Med 6 (10): 1067. doi:10.1038/80356. PMID 11017114.
5 ^ a b Cohen J (2001). "AIDS origins. Disputed AIDS theory dies its final death". Science 292 (5517): 615. doi:10.1126/science.292.5517.615a. PMID 11330303.
6 ^ Origin of Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV/AIDS) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website , Accessed 30th January 2007
7 ^ a b Worobey M, Santiago M, Keele B, Ndjango J, Joy J, Labama B, Dhed'A B, Rambaut A, Sharp P, Shaw G, Hahn B (2004). "Origin of AIDS: contaminated polio vaccine theory refuted". Nature 428 (6985): 820. doi:10.1038/428820a. PMID 15103367.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 21:36 #33
Koprowski chose not to sue Hooper which was good of him. He didn't see it as libel or defamation. He appreciated that Hooper was trying to further the cause of science. Quite professional of Koprowski I'd say.

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Mar 6, 10, 22:13 #34

You may have some stories confused here...There was a Polish Jew, named Wolf Szmuness, a doctor, imprisoned in Siberia for awhile, but then became a privileged Communist because of his medical skills...He came to the USA later...Here:

To understand the seeding of AIDS among homosexuals, (and eventually to the rest of us through bisexuals unless drastic action is taken), you must know about a character with the strange name of Wolf Szmuness. His life story will seem bizarre to you unless, like me, you have a conspiratorial turn of mind.

Dr. Szmuness was a Polish jew who supposedly ended up in a Siberian labor camp during World War II. But after the war he somehow became a privileged person, was sent to medical school in Tomsk, Russia, and married a Russian woman, hardly typical treatment of an enemy of the Soviet state.

Szmuness' biographer said that Wolf was always reluctant to discuss "those dark years in Siberia." Maybe he was reluctant because he wasn't in Siberia. If he was he certainly wasn't shoveling salt.

In 1959 the Soviet government "allowed" him to practice in Poland in a public health capacity.

http://www.cultural-expressions.com/thesis/aidstheory.htm

This Szmuness had nothing to do with the creation of the virus...This was done in US laboratories, probably Ft. Detrick in Maryland, as a 'National Security' project...There may have been corporate partners involved in this sick business also...Szmuness DID HOWEVER have a hand in spreading the disease to homosexuals in the form of contaminated Hepatitis vaccinations given to gays at a NYC health clinic.

beelzebubThreads: - Posts: 515 Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂	Edited by: beelzebub Mar 6, 10, 22:15 #35
Oh give me a break...you think HIV was created by the US Government? You have to be having a go. A weapon that takes years/decades to kill isn't much of a weapon. Common sense is dead in this world.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 22:20 #36
Beel, let's just say that it's as good as a fact in my mind. Sb I knew here told me as his father worked in the upper echelons of the US administration. Fort Detrick, Maryland. You won't get an admission but he swore on his life and it squares with what I have read.

beelzebubThreads: - Posts: 515 Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 22:23 #37
Then your mind is bent. If all it takes is a rumor from someone you "know" then I would say you have lost all credibility when it comes to judgment.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Mar 6, 10, 22:27 #38
Seanus: Beel, let's just say that it's as good as a fact in my mind. Ever the Conspiracy Boy ...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 22:32 #39
Did you pay any attention to what I said? It was an American that told me with very solid evidence. He was the one with the proof, not me.

beelzebubThreads: - Posts: 515 Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 22:35 #40
What proof?

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Mar 6, 10, 22:36 #41
Seanus: It was an American that told me with very solid evidence. As solid as 9/11 done by US gov I'm sure.

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Edited by: joepilsudski Mar 6, 10, 23:31 #42

If you believe that 'Muslims' 'did 911' then 'Iść do buda, pies!'

beelzebub:

Oh give me a break...you think HIV was created by the US Government?

Where you think it come from?...Green monkeys in Africa bit some European and they brought it back?...Or maybe the European doctor or missionary have sex with the monkey?...You confirm all stereotypes of Poles, that they are ignorant and stupid, too.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 23:31 #43
I can't reveal my sources but what was presented to me was clear. Koprowski was involved in polio vaccines, not AIDS. I wouldn't put it past the globalists to develop such a lethal weapon. They have the know-how and the will.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 23:38 #44
Idź do budy, psie' would be right. Anyway, this is about AIDS and not 9/11. So, how about we discuss Mr Gallo?

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Mar 6, 10, 23:39 #45

HIV would be a horrible weapon. It requires direct, internal contamination with body fluids. It would not pass from person to person in large crowds. It takes years to kill and does so slowly and indirectly. It is easy to prevent and could be eradicated totally with quarantine in just one generation.

I don't buy it. I also won't ever read anything you write again and give it any credibility after hearing this. Even if you were intrigued by this "evidence" one example from one person is hardly proof.

rockbitThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Feb 8, 10 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 23:41 #46
I have invented a preventative for AIDS, it's called a zipper. Keep it up and you won't get it...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 23:44 #47
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/aids.htm, this is internet stuff only but quite clear. I have much stronger stuff but it can never leak.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 23:50 #48
Can we somehow pin this on Genscher??? It was during his time as foreign minister, wasn't it?

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Edited by: joepilsudski Mar 6, 10, 23:51 #49

convex:

Nobody believes that Muslims perpetrated 9/11, you and I, we know the truth.

Everybody with an ounce of sense has figured out that something is wrong with the 'official' story...And not only this: Two members of the official 911 Commission have written books saying that they now feel they were not given vital information, AND you also have groups of engineers AND NY firefighters, police and emergency workers saying that they heard and witnessed explosions and strange goings on at the site that terrible day.

Same deal with AIDS...Governments have been experimenting with combining various viruses and creating new disease strains for many years now...It used to be called 'germ warfare'...Now we say, what?...'Biological weapons of mass destruction'?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 23:53 #50
Nah, Genscher is off the hook this time ;) ;) There is more than enough to go on in the link I posted.

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Mar 6, 10, 23:53 #51

beelzebub:

This is one of those things about people I find interesting...especially Poles since there is such an ego issue with that culture. If someone had said a Polish scientist created a cure for cancer the Poles would be on here defending the rumor and talking about how great Poles are....but since it is a negative rumor people immediately argue against it. It shows how much egos and pride affect people.

Poles love to take credit for everything but when anyone says something negative they deny it like their life depended on it. I am not saying there is anything to the AIDS comment but the trend holds true.

beelzebub:

Oh give me a break...you think HIV was created by the US Government?

You have to be having a go.

A weapon that takes years/decades to kill isn't much of a weapon. Common sense is dead in this world.

This is one of those things about people I find interesting... when it is not their nation they are quite happy to rip in to them but when it is... it's a totally different story.

And yes, of course Seanus and joepilsudski are mad hatters.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 6, 10, 23:55 #52
Seanus: Nah, Genscher is off the hook this time ;) ;) There is more than enough to go on in the link I posted. phew wipes fear sweat from forehead And here I thought I would have to defend the elefant eared one again...;)

beelzebubThreads: - Posts: 515 Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂	Edited by: beelzebub Mar 6, 10, 23:55 #53
Sean are you agreeing with me? Or are you insinuating I would not criticize my own nation as well? Just clearing that up before I responded one way or the other. Regarding HIV I find it ridiculous that ANYONE would purposefully create it and my retort had nothing to do with the US being in the accusation.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Mar 6, 10, 23:57 #54
Mad hatters? Hardly! We have plenty of good evidence and won't be put off by labels by those who know less than us. Reading helps :) Beel, read David Rockefeller's biography. That guy would do just about anything. Read the reports and ACTUAL cases on AIDS. All the trials are on public record. Agreeing with what, sorry?

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Edited by: Amathyst Mar 6, 10, 23:57 #55

Is this bollox of a thread still going?

Oh hang on, now we've moved on to 9/11 - the theory that the Americans murdered hundreds of their own people in an attempt to cause another war...! The aliens are coming too! Or was it the Jews that caused it?

Oh hang on another minute the Logarbaidh (yes this is the proper spelling) bomber was actually Scottish, he just had a really good tan!

Maybe the 7/7 bombers were just disgruntled because their Oyster cards didnt work?

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 6, 10, 23:59 #56

beelzebub:

Sean are you agreeing with me?

I am saying that you change your tune when fingers are pointed in your direction.

beelzebub:

Or are you insinuating I would not criticize my own nation as well?

This is not about criticism, this is a load of BS and you know it, yet you take the time to criticise Poland for defending such ridiculous accusations but jump when the U.S. gets pointed out.

Of course AIDs is not a weapon, neither is old age.

Seanus:

Mad hatters? Hardly! We have plenty of good evidence and won't be put off by labels by those who know less than us. Reading helps :)

Yes, mad hatters. Or should I begin to read the OP's book too?

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 00:00 #57
Amathyst: Is this bollox of a thread still going? and worst of all, my crowning contribution was deleted...

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Edited by: beelzebub Mar 7, 10, 00:01 #58

SeanBM:

I am saying that you change your tune when fingers are pointed in your direction.

You must not have read my last post...figure as it is common here. Popping about someone off without any basis and twisting things to fit your idea of them.

My "tune" had all to do with the idea that making HIV on purpose is ridiculous and nothing to do with the country named. As much as you want it to be a "gotcha" it isn't.

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 7, 10, 00:03 #59

beelzebub:

This is one of those things about people I find interesting...especially Poles since there is such an ego issue with that culture. If someone had said a Polish scientist created a cure for cancer the Poles would be on here defending the rumor and talking about how great Poles are....but since it is a negative rumor people immediately argue against it. It shows how much egos and pride affect people.

Poles love to take credit for everything but when anyone says something negative they deny it like their life depended on it. I am not saying there is anything to the AIDS comment but the trend holds true.

Your own words from this thread.

beelzebub:

You must not have read my last post...figure as it is common here.

I have.

beelzebub:

Popping about someone off without any basis and twisting things to fit your idea of them.

I am quoting you having a pop at Poland defending such ridiculous accusations and you defending the U.S. when the table turns.

beelzebub:

My "tune" had all to do with the idea that making HIV on purpose is ridiculous

I know it, you know it but you still take the time to have a go against all odds and your own reasoning.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 00:06 #60
Dr Boyd Graves managed to spell it out clearly. http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/AIDS_is_man-mad e_-_Interview_with_Dr_Boyd_Graves_1597.shtml He even corroborated what I was told, that the US has an antidote but is withholding it. They want Africans to die out of concerns for population control.

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