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SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Mar 7, 10, 00:09 #61
Seanus: They want Africans to die out of concerns for population control. Do you know how silly and sad that conspiracy sounds? Am I understanding you correctly, The two most populated countries in the world are India and China but it is Africa that the U.S. want to kill off for population control? Because the countries in Africa are such a threat? You are off your rocker with this one.

beelzebubThreads: - Posts: 515 Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂	Edited by: beelzebub Mar 7, 10, 00:10 #62
SeanBM: I am quoting you having a pop at Poland defending such ridiculous accusations and you defending the U.S. when the table turns. How dense are you? I have said 2 or 3 times it is the idea ANYONE would create HIV not about the USA. Do you pay attention at all? It can't be said much simpler.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 00:11 #63
Seanie is in best form tonight! ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 00:13 #64
SeanBM, believe what you will but Boyd Graves says it all and it is much of his work. No offence but you are not a doctor working on AIDS like he did. He showed it in a trial under oath. The book indicts Koprowski, Seanny. Look what I have read since then, defending him. The book is a conspiracy hoax. I deal in conspiracy fact.

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,968 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Mar 7, 10, 00:13 #65
Seanus: that the US has an antidote but is withholding it. Thats really flawed, if that was the case, they wouldnt have made it known that ani-virals taken by mothers to be (HIV positive) would not pass on the virus to their unborn child.

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Mar 7, 10, 00:16 #66

beelzebub:

I have said 2 or 3 times it is the idea ANYONE would create HIV

How can I put this so you will understand?...

The first thing you wrote on this thread was not that this is all BS (which it is, we agree on that) but you launch in to an attack on Polish people, then when people start blaming the U.S. you start on the defensive.

beelzebub:

Do you pay attention at all?

If you have nothing to say, well then don't.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 00:19 #67
Read the interview by Boyd Graves and try and disprove what he said.

beelzebubThreads: - Posts: 515 Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂	Edited by: beelzebub Mar 7, 10, 00:21 #68
SeanBM: then when people start blaming the U.S. you start on the defensive. My god man...I did NOT defend the US. I refuted the idea that ANYONE would create HIV on purpose. You can say I was defensive about the US over and over and that doesnt make it true. I don't care if you say Poles, Ugandans or whoever created it...it's bollocks. Why can't you admit you comprehended it wrong?

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 7, 10, 00:24 #69

Seanus:

the US has an antidote but is withholding it. They want Africans to die out of concerns for population control.

So this AIDs doctor has the antidote and they made this disease, that people can live with now with the proper medication, in affect making it not the best of weapons and they want to kill off Africans, even though China and India are the most populated countries in the world.

Why not blame multinational pharmaceuticals? or the illuminate?

beelzebub:

Why can't you admit you comprehended it wrong?

Because I didn't.

We are in agreement that it is BS, you and I do not have to repeat this again and again in your way of accusing me of not understanding you going off on one.

And as I said before if you have nothing to say, say nothing.

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Mar 7, 10, 00:36 #70

Seanny, read the work of Dr Strecker, another who was mysteriously killed when close to presenting his seminal work. He concludes that a single vaccine cannot possibly combat all the permutations of the virus.

That green monkey would have bitten pygmies first but they only caught it later ;) ;)

I'm telling you, Fort Dietrick. Mark my words, this will come as clearly in due course. I bet you think Gallo is a just kind of wine, LOL.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Mar 7, 10, 00:38 #71
So Seanus, you are just going to ignore my questions and tell me to read what you have. No thanks, I'll pass.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 00:41 #72
http://vodpod.com/watch/694227-robert-gallo-the-man-that-created-aids, refute it if you will. Pharmaceutical companies may have played a part but Horowitz shows which department was involved. The Illuminati, no. Any more questions, Seanny?

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 7, 10, 00:45 #73

Still the same ones.
If you are just going to throw youtube links and not engage in telling me how your whole conspiracy theory works, I can't be arsed either.

Seanus:

the US has an antidote but is withholding it. They want Africans to die out of concerns for population control.

Am I understanding you correctly, The two most populated countries in the world are India and China but it is Africa that the U.S. want to kill off for population control?

Because the countries in Africa are such a threat?

As a way of killing people AIDs is ineffective and worst of all as a weapon it is in every country not just African ones.

beelzebubThreads: - Posts: 515 Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 00:55 #74
SeanBM: Because I didn't. Yes you did. You keep asserting that I am defending the US and therefore would be a hypocrite. I was NOT defending the US therefore your point is false. Why can't you admit that?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 00:57 #75
India could lose 31,000,000 and China 18,000,000 by 2025 according to UN studies. Isn't that enough? Seanny, I've researched this much deeper than you have.

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 7, 10, 00:58 #76

beelzebub:

Why can't you admit that?

Because you have it arse ways.

I am tired of saying the same thing over and over to you, why don't you just read your first post on this thread and then read my posts over and over until you understand.

Seanus:

Seanny, I've researched this much deeper than you have.

Yet you state conspiracy theories and are unwilling to discuss them and just say that you know more than me, so what?
I should shut up and not ask questions?
take your word for it?
Do you think they are reading this forum?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Edited by: convex Mar 7, 10, 01:00 #77
Seanus: http://vodpod.com/watch/694227-robert-gallo-the-man-that-created -aids, refute it if you will. Robert Gallo refutes him in the video. Seanus: India could lose 31,000,000 and China 18,000,000 by 2025 according to UN studies. Isn't that enough? Yes, because the last thing that India and China would want right now is population control...

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Edited by: beelzebub Mar 7, 10, 01:02 #78

SeanBM:

Because you have it arse ways.

You are so full of shite you can't keep your stories straight.

You have repeatedly said I am ripping on Poland but when the US is ripped on I "change my tune" and get defensive. That is NOT what happened. The nation blamed for making HIV was irrelevant. Why are you incapable of admitting you were wrong?

The entire basis for your argument against me was predicated on your misunderstanding....yet you continue to parrot the same thing. Do you imagine you can just repeat it over and over and make it so?

You remind me of a child who get's caught doing something and says "I didn't do it" while the evidence is still dripping from their hands.

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 7, 10, 01:08 #79

beelzebub:

You have repeatedly said I am ripping on Poland

your very first post on this thread:

beelzebub:

This is one of those things about people I find interesting...especially Poles since there is such an ego issue with that culture. If someone had said a Polish scientist created a cure for cancer the Poles would be on here defending the rumor and talking about how great Poles are....but since it is a negative rumor people immediately argue against it. It shows how much egos and pride affect people.

Poles love to take credit for everything but when anyone says something negative they deny it like their life depended on it. I am not saying there is anything to the AIDS comment but the trend holds true.

Second post:

beelzebub:

Agreed all people do this to a degree...but Poles are the worst about it. I would rank them right up with Russian and most Arab cultures. I base this on living and traveling all over before someone calls me a Pole hater. It is one of the things that drove me nuts about living there. Hearing people brag and take credit for everything under the sun but god forbid anyone questioned them or didn't agree Poland was the cradle of civilization. Worse yet they all seemed to be experts on the USA and critical of our lifestyle yet they had never been.

I have noticed that the less powerful a nation or culture is the more they like to bluster. I really don't get the ego stuff.

Third post:

beelzebub:

I said it goes to show how vehemently people (Poles more so than most in my view) are defensive to anything that doesn't proclaim their greatness. The ego runs larger there.

joepilsudski and Seanus say it was the U.S that made AIDs and you change your stance:

beelzebub:

but when the US is ripped on I "change my tune" and get defensive.

fourth post:

beelzebub:

Oh give me a break...you think HIV was created by the US Government?

You have to be having a go.

A weapon that takes years/decades to kill isn't much of a weapon. Common sense is dead in this world.

I think you're funny and now you are trying to tell me that is not what you said?

And I love the way you call me names as if it makes the slightest bit of differences :)

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Edited by: beelzebub Mar 7, 10, 01:13 #80

What is wrong with you? You speak to me as if I killed your puppy or something.

You claim I got "defensive" about someone saying the US created HIV.

I refuted the idea that ANYONE would create HIV. I don't care who was "blamed" for it.

I still think Poles love to take credit but will never take responsibility for negatives. That has nothing to do with me thinking HIV wasn't made by someone.

Unlike Poles and seemingly you I have no problem with admitting my shortcomings or admitting when I am wrong. You are so obsessed with proving me a hypocrite you cannot see how you misunderstood my entire point which is again that I find it ludicrous that ANYONE would create HIV. Of course my post said the US govt because that is who was accused. Christ man how hard is it for you to understand?

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 7, 10, 01:17 #81

beelzebub:

I still think Poles love to take credit but will never take responsibility for negatives.

:) You know something Beelzy, you got issues.

beelzebub:

Unlike Poles and seemingly you I have no problem with admitting my shortcomings or admitting when I am wrong.

Is this your sarcasm again?

beelzebub:

That has nothing to do with me thinking HIV wasn't made by someone.

You keep saying this and I have always agreed, can you not see that? will I have to read you say it to me yet again?

Hahaha, I see you edited and yes, you had to make the same point again, AIDs was not invented by the U.S. to kill Africans, right we agree. Would you like to agree some more?

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Mar 7, 10, 01:18 #82

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/46a.htm, plenty of other evidence here. It was no coincidence that Gallo 'stumbled across' certain agents.

Duisberg, Segal and Douglas have all made substantial inroads. Duisberg was so good that he was blackmailed to stay quiet.

Segal was dismissed for his ties with the KGB so Douglas took over and he couldn't be attacked as he wasn't a commie seeking to undermine the US.

Splicing was undertaken by Gallo and he knew what he was doing.

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Mar 7, 10, 01:29 #83

Don't judge a book by its cover, Seanny. The content is the most important.

http://aidsbiowar.com/printpage.htm, the best link out there perhaps. 'However, nothing compares to the incriminating testimony the Pentagon gave on June 9, 1969. On June 9, 1969, the Pentagon admits that it was doing research on an offensive biological agent that would lead to a "World-Wide scourge and black-death type plague in certain geographical areas of the world."'

There is enough evidence in the above link alone to indict the government 10 times over. The AIDS flowchart has been widely accepted by some of the most eminent scientists out there. Well done Boyd!

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Mar 7, 10, 01:31 #84

Let me make this clear: THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT POLISH PEOPLE, POLISH CULTURE OR POLAND.

IT IS ABOUT FACTUAL EVIDENCE THAT A SCIENTIST (WHO HAPPENS TO BE OF POLISH ORIGIN) MAY HAVE INADVERTENTLY CAUSED THE HIV VIRUS, WHILE DEVELOPING A POLIO VACCINE.

THE GROUP OF SCIENTISTS (LED BY HILARY KOPROWSKI) WHO DEVELOPED THE VACCINE USED THE KIDNEYS & LIVERS OF CHIMPANZEES - KNOWN CARRIERS OF SIV (SIMIAN FORM OF HIV).

BEFORE ADMINISTERING THE VACCINE, THOROUGH CHECKS WERE NEVER DONE, TO VERIFY THAT THE VACCINE WAS FREE OF FOREIGN PATHOGENS THAT WOULD CAUSE HARM TO HUMANS.

Dr Albert Sabin - the other scientist who developed a polio vaccine that was used in north-eastern Europe - even wrote to Dr Koprowski warning him about his vaccine.

When interviewed, Dr Koprowski denied any use of Chimps in developing the vaccine. Yet there is documented evidence and eyewitness accounts to suggest otherwise. Why deny it when there is proof?

READ THE BOOK.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Mar 7, 10, 01:32 #85
SeanBM: You are never going to admit to any of this but it is not you who I wish to show you to. you are on the ball:). people usually don't like their own medicine;)

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 7, 10, 01:34 #86

Seanus:

Don't judge a book by its cover

I don't think you have told me what the book is about.
Look at it from my point, if I were to introduce something that did not make sense to you and then blast a whole load of stuff at you without giving any real meaning or context, it'd be a bit hard to go through, no?

Seanus:

"World-Wide scourge and black-death type plague in certain geographical areas of the world."'

You see it is this, as well as many more things that fail in your theory.
"Certain geographical areas" but it is world wide.

beelzebub:

beelzebub

Are you not finished your little tantrum yet?

beelzebub:

You do know I had no interest in you whatsoever until you engaged me right? Blame yourself.

I am responsible for laughing at you, yes :)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Mar 7, 10, 01:36 #87
TRUTH, you are missing the splicing element of things. It was a hybrid of which simian was but a part. Please give a timeframe of when he 'inadvertently' did this. Seanny, have you ever read a government/federal document? You have just shown me that you haven't. They are hardly gonna spell it out, are they?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 01:44 #88
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8567399552051355527#, this is Boyd Graves speaking the truth. Over half an hour. He outlines the infamous program which was the blueprint for their evil deeds.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 01:52 #89
beelzebub: you really do live in some alternate universe. Poland actually. beelzebub: Your reality is far different than the real one. The one where you take the mickey but can't take it?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 01:54 #90
Boyd Graves even spells out what the patent is for the cure to AIDS. I can reveal that this was the chemical that I was told about. It has been shelved for now, why??

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