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What are Polish-Serbian relations like?


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   Sep 9, 07, 00:44   #1
on both a political and general level.
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Edited by: Lukasz   Sep 9, 07, 07:19   #2
in my opinion we dont have developed relationships with serbian.

They are traditionaly supported by Russinas, but i dont think it plays any role. Just another nation in sth Europe.

Durring cominist times they had more authonomy in comparison to other nations in comunist block, they traded more freely with western countries. So they were richer than other comunitic coutries. They were coming to Poland for cheap entertiment. In '90 there have been war and now we go to Jugoslawian countries (rather to Croatia than to Serbia) for cheap entertiment.
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Edited by: Lukasz   Sep 9, 07, 13:09   #3
I have friend who is half Serbian half Pole, his mouther was Serb. They lived in Serbia but they were never acteptated by Serbian comunity, when life in Poland has became better they have moved here.
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   Sep 9, 07, 13:13   #4
Quoting: hadouken

on both a political and general level.



oh hello Crow,how's hangin'?
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   Sep 9, 07, 13:21   #5
Quoting: Lukasz
In '90 there have been war and now we go to Jugoslawian countries (rather to Croatia than to Serbia) for cheap entertiment.

What do you mean cheap?name an item and i'll tell you price,so we can compare it with Polish.

Quoting: Lukasz
I have friend who is half Serbian half Pole, his mouther was Serb. They lived in Serbia but they were never acteptated by Serbian comunity, when life in Poland has became better they moved here.

that's because he was probably roman catholic?serbs hate pope,they blame everything bad what happens to them on pope John Paul II and Croatia.

if you like i can find you some sources,but you have to speak their language a bit.
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Edited by: Lukasz   Sep 9, 07, 13:45   #6
Quoting: blackadder
What do you mean cheap?name an item and i'll tell you price,so we can compare it with Polish.



I meaned nothing bad, You know English are coming to cracov to have entertiaimnet for which they would pay much more in UK. (we can see a lot of those "tourists" in Krakow or Warszawa ...)

Croatia is quite popular in Poland just form the same reason it is beautiful and in good price, and what is important nowadays ther are more and more people who just have enoght money to go somewhere for hoolidays.

The fact is Jugoslawia (Serbia, Croatia ect.) was richer beffore '90 than Poland. And than you were coming to Poland for the same reasons.

And this war was for all "Jugoslawians" horrible thing ...
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   Sep 9, 07, 13:57   #7
Quoting: Lukasz
I meaned nothing bad, You know English are coming to cracov to have entertiaimnet for which they would pay much more in UK. (we can see a lot of those "tourists" in Krakow or Warszawa ...)


no,no,no.i didn't offended.it's just my brother went on school vacation in poland,and he told me that prices are similar.


i.e.
0.5 litres of our most popular beer Karlovacko is priced 2.5 euro pubs.but if you go to some more popular places like dubrovnik,you will pay 5 euro for small coffee macchiatto.that's not cheap,unfortunately.
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Edited by: Lukasz   Sep 9, 07, 14:19   #8
Quoting: blackadder
0.5 litres of our most popular beer Karlovacko is priced 2.5 euro pubs.but if you go to some more popular places like dubrovnik,you will pay 5 euro for small coffee macchiatto.that's not cheap,unfortunately.


ok I m not going to negociate. In my opinion you sholdnt writte it on this forum, i know a lot of Polish people have plans to go to Croatia ;)

And to stay in topic it is interesting if Serbs will become submissive to get some chances to join EU or they will stay taff in alliance with Russia.
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   Sep 9, 07, 14:36   #9
Quoting: Lukasz
And to stay in topic it is interesting if Serbs will become submissive to get some chances to join EU or they will stay taff in alliance with Russia.


they prefer russians,of course.they are their orthodox brothers.but my opinion is that's a huge mistake.they will be isolated that way.they will have to kiss europe's ass if they want to live normal life.
i hope kosovo won't be start of another cold war.oh yes and polish rocket shield...things aren't looking so well,aren't they?
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   Sep 9, 07, 14:37   #10
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no,no,no.i didn't offended.it's just my brother went on school vacation in poland,and he told me that prices are similar.


But If somebody want to spend holidays in a warm place It's definately cheaper to go to Croatia or Bulgaria than to Italy or Spain.

Quoting: blackadder
0.5 litres of our most popular beer Karlovacko is priced 2.5 euro pubs.


That's very expensive.
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   Sep 9, 07, 14:38   #11
Quoting: hadouken
What are Polish-Serbian relations like?


Rather neutral I would say.
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   Sep 9, 07, 14:39   #12
Quoting: Lukasz
cracov

Never seen quite so many bizarre spellings for one city!
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   Sep 9, 07, 14:44   #13
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That's very expensive.



you can always buy beer in a keg somewhere inland!or ask domestic people where's the cheaper.sometimes you will find 50% lower prices for same drink just over the street.just don't drink import beer,it's too expensive.
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   Sep 9, 07, 15:16   #14
Quoting: hadouken
What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

We'll see after the last Polish soccer team Euro 2008 game: Serbia-Poland :)
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   Sep 9, 07, 18:35   #15
yeah i heard serbs like poles do to our huge contribution to defending eastern europe from ottomans, but the views would be conflicted due to poles dislike for russia and orthodox religion
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Edited by: Lukasz   Sep 10, 07, 13:40   #16
Quoting: hadouken
yeah i heard serbs like poles do to our huge contribution to defending eastern europe from ottomans, but the views would be conflicted due to poles dislike for russia and orthodox religion



all Poles agreed here that our relationships are rather neutral, and I told the story of halb serb which is my friend ... We have in eastern Poland orthodox miniority (about 27% of Białystok citizens, town where I lived ) and there is no tension beetwen Catolics and Orthodox ...
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   Sep 11, 07, 11:39   #17
I respect Serbs. Brave nation (i'm thinking about WWII). And polish-serbian relations were very intensiv in the past. Poles were in Kosove Pole. After that battle many serbian knights escaped to Poland. They created in XV century the heavy cavallry called... "husaria" :-) Yes, our winged hussars have exactely Serbian roots.
We all heard about "chetniks". Their statut of war "Pravila chetnickoj borby" (sorry if i wrote it wrong) is in fact the translated tract of Polish general Ludwik Mierosławski "O wojnie partyzanckiej" ("About partizan war") from 1863 ("January Uprising" agains Russia).
misiek    Sep 13, 07, 15:31   #18
I also like Serbs., they are similar to us - slavians, similar mentality, and had a tough history..

Regards
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Edited by: Crow   Sep 15, 07, 11:23   #19
Quoting: Lukasz
have friend who is half Serbian half Pole, his mouther was Serb. They lived in Serbia but they were never acteptated by Serbian comunity,

It`s very surprising to me, honestly

I live in Serbian Northern province of Voivodina and I can confirm that we have Poles hire (I didn`t tell that we have Polish minority because, Serbs don`t consider other Slavs as minority).

One of my profesores on University of Novi Sad/Economic faculty was Polish woman with surname- Sigulinski. This Mrs was/is very respected among students and colegues. Man who care about my car is mechanic of Polish origin (surname Polak). I had opportunity to cooperate with one man from local administartion- inspector (surname Milinski).

In general, Poles are very well accepted from Serbs and we suffer when we realize level of misunderstandings between Poles and Russians (to say between their states).

Poles were neutral during conflict in former Yugoslavia. Slovaks, Rusinians (Ruthenians), Ukrainians, Czechs, Bulgarians- also. We Serbs sow that due to enormous anti-Serbian propaganda our brothers deflect from us (we stayed absolutely alone) but, our historical credibility among Slavs prevented deeper negative feelings on us and pevented histerical support for Greater Croatia (as was case on so called West).

But, open and brutal military NATO attack on Serbs changed something ... and slowely, Slavs in the region (and wider) starting to think.

Quoting: Lukasz
And to stay in topic it is interesting if Serbs will become submissive to get some chances to join EU or they will stay taff in alliance with Russia.

This is historic momentum for Slavic world and we must stay close to Russians- to give them spiritual strenght and credibility of old (primordial) Slavic core- in time when all masks falling down and when is obvious that so called West is false West. Serbs would be balance and prevent any serious conflict between Poles and Russians. We would support Christan re-union.

We would do our best that dream about Slavia become reality. Modernisation of Slavic countries and maximisation of life standard are imperatives.


Come to us Poles and take your place in Slavic world. Accept your historic responisbilities.

Let it be what can not be. Let be freedom for Slavs!
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   Sep 16, 07, 12:31   #20
Being polish myself i can honestly tell you that Poles will never get a long with Russians, it's like asking serbs to get along with albanians, its just not going to happen.
gost    Sep 16, 07, 12:55   #21
Quoting: Crow
We Serbs sow that due to enormous anti-Serbian propaganda our brothers deflect from us



Don't you think it's your own fault? It wasn't propaganda! It was the things you did! Actually I'm not surprised at all with what you wrote. This is the typical Serbian opinion... (I apologize to Serbs who do not share this opinion. There are few of them.) The fact is that there are still many extreme right-wing politicians in your government.

You sound like some dicator:
Quoting: Crow
Come to us Poles and take your place in Slavic world. Accept your historic responisbilities.


Omg.... This is just scary!

Quoting: Crow
historical credibility among Slavs prevented deeper negative feelings on us and pevented histerical support for Greater Croatia


Funny you don't mention that Serbians were trying to create Greater Serbia... And some of them still are.
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Edited by: Crow   Sep 17, 07, 04:15   #22
Quoting: hadouken
Being polish myself i can honestly tell you that Poles will never get a long with Russians, it's like asking serbs to get along with albanians, its just not going to happen.

I respect your opinion. But, I believe in historic compromise between Poland and Russia.

Why?

Simply. Interests and necestity of survivor would lead in that dirrection


And, Albanians that you mentioned. We Serbs gave them hand and we mistaken. We greatly mistaken but, if God and our Slava are upon us we would endure and borders of Slavic world won`t be pushed once again.
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Edited by: Crow   Oct 20, 07, 13:32   #23
Alarming news from and arround region...

Few fragments:

The March to War: NATO Preparing for War with Serbia?

by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya
Global Research, October 19, 2007
globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7053

According to a NATO press release, “Approximately 2,000 military and 50 civilian personnel, over 30 ships and submarines and 20 fixed-wing aircraft from NATO and the Croatian Armed Forces will train together in a Crisis Response Operation scenario, where NATO is appointed by the U.N. to build up an immediate reaction in a fictitious country on the brink of civil war.” [4]

Koątunica says DSS is against NATO membership

15 September 2007 | 14:30 | Source: Beta
b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=09&dd=15&nav_id=437 81&fs=1

BELGRADE -- Prime Minister and DSS leader Vojislav Koątunica said Saturday his party opposes Serbia’s NATO membership.

DSS: Unilateral declaration of independence possibility

2 September 2007 | 16:48 | Source: Beta
b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=09&dd=02&nav_id=43465&fs=1

BELGRADE- "It is time to start discussions about the manner in which we, as a state, will react to the possibility of unilateral independence and the first NATO state."

Bomb threat against Russian office in Kosovo?

7 September 2007 | 19:37 | Source: BIRN
b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=09&dd=07&nav_id=43596&fs=1

Balkan Insight sources within the Kosovo Police Service, KPS, said the special security measures were being taken following threats against the Russian liaison office, located in this part of the city.

Serb police clash with gunmen near Kosovo; 1 dead

Sun Aug 5, 2007 3:33pm BST
uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKL0556171420070805

PRISTINA, Serbia (Reuters) - One person was killed when Serbian police exchanged fire with uniformed gunmen in an ethnic Albanian area of southern Serbia bordering the breakaway Kosovo province, Serbia's interior minister said on Sunday.

Macedonian interior ministry confirms attack on police station located at Kosovo's border

Skopje /01/08/ 14:41
makfax.com.mk/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=2&NrArticle=78123&NrIssue=413&NrSection=%2010

Macedonian police have confirmed reports of gunshots directed toward the police station located in the vicinity of the Macedonia-Kosovo border as well as handgrenades exploding not far from the station..

Why Russia Is Flexing Its Muscles

Thursday, Aug. 23, 2007
By MARK THOMPSON/WASHINGTON
time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655521,00.html

Moscow's latest saber-rattling — flying long-range bomber patrols toward the U.S. and Britain, launching planes from its sole aircraft carrier, redeploying the Russian fleet to the Mediterranean..

Kosovo and Metohia: The Struggle will Get Fiercer

01.09.2007
Leonid IVASHOV
en.fondsk.ru/article.php?id=929

Despite its territorial locality, the Kosovo problem continues to be in the focus of attention of international community, affecting the character of interaction of the United States, Russia and Europe and threatening to provoke a serious aggravation of the Russian-U.S. relations. ..

Russia draws 'red line' on Kosovo, US missile defence

by Staff Writers
Moscow (AFP) Sept 3, 2007
spacewar.com/reports/Russia_draws_red_line_on_Kosovo_US_missile_defence_999.html

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov underlined Russia's increasingly muscular foreign policy Monday, laying out a series of non-negotiable "red line" issues including Kosovo and US missile defence...

Serbia threatens to use force if West recognizes Kosovo

by Nicholas Wood Published: September 5, 2007
iht.com/articles/2007/09/05/america/serbia.php

BELGRADE: Serbia is ready to use force to prevent Western nations from recognizing Kosovo as an independent state, a senior Serbian official warned Wednesday.

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   Oct 20, 07, 17:47   #24
The Serbs have good reputation among older people because WWII. Younger are more ignorant I think, they do know Serbian volleyball team probably. :) Serbs are also considered as Russian allies however this has nothing to do with our country.

Quoting: hadouken
Being polish myself i can honestly tell you that Poles will never get a long with Russians, it's like asking serbs to get along with albanians, its just not going to happen.

On the state level I agree but I have very good contact with some Russians despite arguing with them about politics.

One thing I know for sure, there will never be any Slavic alliance. We have also good
relations with non-Slavic countries of our region except Germany. I mean the Balts, Romanians and especially Hungarians whom are traditionally viewed as our best friends.
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   Oct 20, 07, 17:54   #25
Quoting: lesser
especially Hungarians whom are traditionally viewed as our best friends.


Hungarian girls love us (checked ;) )
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   Oct 21, 07, 01:25   #26
Serbs are nice but sometimes seem distant, when I travelled through Serbia they were generally nice to me upon learning that a Pole was in their midst. Croats (especially in Dubrovnik) were rather aloof, and often arrogant upon learning that a Pole was in their midst. Macedonians were super cool and welcoming, friendly and laid back..but the nicest and most welcoming were Albanians!
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Edited by: Crow   Oct 21, 07, 03:45   #27
Quoting: Lukasz


Quoting: lesser
especially Hungarians whom are traditionally viewed as our best friends.


Hungarian girls love us (checked ;) )

True, checked, from different angles ;)
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Edited by: Crow   Oct 21, 07, 05:36   #28
Quoting: hadouken
What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

Maybe this fragment from article of Warsaw voice, can tell us something on that. I would later say few more comments on this...

The Case of Slobodan Milosevic

29 March 2006

warsawvoice.pl/view/10949

NATO's war against Serbia caused no squeamishness to the Polish conscience.
The Poles as a new NATO member passed their ally examination without a problem. There were few European countries where support for bombing of Yugoslavia was so high. Hardly anywhere else in Europe were the doubters' voices so weak. Hardly anywhere else was there such strong identification of the authorities and media with the arguments of NATO Headquarters. For a long time there was no trace in Poland of the moral dilemmas existing in Western Europe. Yugoslavia was mentally too distant for the Poles, too exotic. The Poles felt none of the traditional spiritual bond that links the Czechs with the Serbs. The Poles did not feel a need for restraint, unlike the Hungarians remembering the apocalyptic slaughter their army had perpetrated on Serbian civilians. The Poles simply didn't realize that NATO's war with Serbia was also their war.

[I warmly recommend complete article for reading]


It seams that there are people in Poland who seek to found real reasons for recent events on Balkan and who seek to listen what Serbs have to say...

Us Vs. the World

Warsaw voice
12 May 2004
warsawvoice.pl/view/5578

The town of Żyrardów hosted three poets from Vietnam, Cameroon and Serbia to mark UNESCO's World Poetry Day Celebration.


Quoting: randompal
Serbs are nice but sometimes seem distant

Why?
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   Oct 21, 07, 14:12   #29
Unfortunately for me its hard to explain, but I didnt feel any of the warmness towards starngers that I felt in other places like Macedonia or Albania-but maybe because I spent most of my time in Belgrade. That's not to say I diidnt meet ANY nice people in Belgrade, because I did. It seemed like the few I had conversasions with didnt seem to interested in spending the time to chat, unlike in other places. In Croatia on the other hand people seemed downright aloof by comparison, just an impression.
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   Oct 21, 07, 17:27   #30
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In Croatia on the other hand people seemed downright aloof by comparison, just an impression.



sorry to hear that.you got wrong impression pal.
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   Oct 22, 07, 03:16   #31
Quoting: hadouken
One thing I know for sure, there will never be any Slavic alliance.


There is no doubt that the Slavic people today are the only real force in Europe which could in the forthcoming period resist the galloping globalization and Judaist liberalism of EU. While the Western people, British, French, Italians, Germans and all others, are already strongly negatively effected in the liberal decadent society where they lose more of their internal strength and national energy, that much on a sustainable scale is preserved of it in the East, specifically in Slavic people. We are more tied by our tradition and that which is the source in us, we are more nationally aware and we are more actually built up as people compared to those others. I must mention that without a doubt a prominent role in all of this had the time of division of the World in 2 blocks, and that firm communist system which in spite of all, managed to preserve the Eastern people from the disease of liberalism and western democracy. Because of all this we can surely confirm that the Slavic people are in reality the healthiest and cleanest part of today’s Europe.

EU is on the other side, and it represents everything which we must fight against. And how do we think of resisting such one force? Surely we cannot alone, nor individually, instead only through one broad Slavic alliance, from Triglav until Vladivostok.

Never in history, and especially not today in this kind of world, small countries could not independently build their future, instead they always, more or less, were under patronage of bigger countries and their interests. Due to this, we must be aware not to allow ourselves to be small, not to allow others to control and direct us, we must build a great Slavic nation, in the way of an alliance of nations or through the process of rebuilding again the Slavic nation.

And now I ask myself, how the Polish people expect to keep their sovereignty and national identity when they are so strongly against such arrangements with Serbia or Russia? With whom do you expect to forge an alliance? I hope that today’s status of Poland is not your ending wish, and that your membership in the EU is only a temporary sorry state of this country.

PanSlavism would definitely be in Poland’s favor, considering how in previous years your country strongly compromised itself due to open and unreserved support of America, when you were one of the rare European people which fulfilled all of their demands.
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Edited by: Crow   Nov 2, 07, 08:32   #32
Let`s continue to explore thru articles which could help us to understand current Polish-Serbian relations...

Poland's Place In A New Europe

time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,23616,00.html?iid=chix-sphere

By ALEKSANDER KWASNIEWSKI; CHRIS REDMAN

Monday, Apr. 26, 1999

TIME: Will Kosovo cause problems in your relations with Russia?

Kwasniewski: For Poland, one of the most fundamental issues is to have good relations with Russia, and we try to do our best. NATO enlargement was difficult for Russia, but finally they accepted. Unfortunately now because of the Kosovo conflict we have a new stage of frozen relations. [Russian] Prime Minister Primakov had planned to visit Poland at the end of April and that has been postponed. It is true that Russia is historically connected with Serbia, but Russia needs good relations with Western countries. Russia needs agreements with the IMF and World Bank. So Russia will support Serbia but not with some military activities. And it will maintain ties with the West.


I have few questions...

Why Kwasniewski didn`t use this opportunity to mention Polish-Serbian connections thru history but, point only on Russian-Serbian connections? Why would Polish politicians so strongly deflect from Serbia in situation when Serbs desperately needed help? Why Kwasniewski didn`t reverse Time`s question and put on the table new question- `Will Kosovo cause problems in Polish relations with NATO?


Serbian Institute for Public Diplomacy - News

Young professionals' network aiming to promote
the 'Serbian Colour of the European Carpet'


Tuesday, 3 July 2007

serbianinstitute.org/%C2%BB-NEWS/Welcome-to-the-Serbian-Institute-for- Public-Diplomacy---News.1.1.m182p1-186.htm

Foreign ministers of the so-called regional partnership between Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic, declared their support for Serbia's bid on the sidelines of a summit in Bratislava.


Things change. Maybe now Polish diplomacy trying to support Serbia, to hold Serbia close to Poland, like in time of Prince Adam Czartoryski.
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Edited by: Crow   Nov 18, 07, 02:42   #33
Quoting: lesser
However I must say that you Serbs always chose the worst line of political defense on international arena.

you won’t understand Serbian way if you aren’t aware of fact that Serbs does not feel necessity to defend particularly Serbia. Serbia and all Balkan Serbs are obstacle to some powerfull anti-Slavic forces. We are heavily attacked in propaganda and open war. Many years would be needed to correct damage which is dealt to us and on the end, we would consolidate- this way or another.

Serbs are historicaly well known to all Slavs and sooner or later our Slavic brothers would recognize truth in case with events in last 15 years and, they would support us. Not to mention that there are even non-Slavic world powers which support us, in order to protect legalism in international relations.

But, on the other side, my virtual friend, you must know that on example of Yugoslavia, on example of Serbian question from Balkan to Baltic, one dream is attacked, dream about unity of all Slavs, right of Slavs to preserve their own civilization. That dream need urgent help.

For protection of that dream, for loyalty to Slavdom, we Serbs are punished and we are living targets. That`s the very essence of historical momentum
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   Nov 18, 07, 04:00   #34
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loyalty to Slavdom

these sentiments are not popular in Poland, never have been I think and never will be. Pan-slavism in Poland is often equated with Russian domination, therefore loyalty to SLavdom, as you put it, in Poland stinks of "loyalty to Russiandom"
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Edited by: Crow   Nov 18, 07, 04:59   #35
Quoting: randompal
randompal


Our honest name- Serbs, remembered in history under many designations... Sarmatians, Rashani, Tribaly, Scordiscs, Racowie, Ratzi...

described by great Slavists... Pavel Josef Safaric, Dobrowski, Jernej Kopitar, Surowjcki, Jiricek

We- Serbs, we serve only to mother Slavia and our enemies hate us for they know that only we can make the difference. They demonized us in media knowing that only Serbian inteligentsia can show honest way for all Slavs, for we don`t give a sh** for religious differences among Slavs, we love it. We know that Slavs aren`t free and that Slavs has right to be free, to independently use their resources, to preserve their language, culture, their racial identity... and, we are ready to say it loudly and to defend those Slavic rights.

Racowie won`t lie to Poles, Racowie never did it.

and, Russians already learned that Serbs don`t want to buy their help. We would rather extinct then to batray our Samorodna Slavia. We count on Russians in the name of mother, in the name of survivor of Slavic civilizations. If they are brothers and sisters to us, they won`t forget that they are same that to Poles, to Ukrainians, to all Slavs... and, Russian power would be finaly used for global Slavic interests and that way for interests of Russia, too.

Let Chist is upon all of us
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Edited by: Crow   Nov 19, 07, 11:18   #36
This post goes as my gift for audithorium. Little intermeco for this thread


During NATO bombardment of Serbia in 1999, one of the bast way to stay `normal` for Serbs was to listen humorous songs about NATO leaders, patriotic Serbian Chetnik songs and above everythinng songs dedicated to resistance of native Europeans. Among them, some songs were dedicated to Celts, especialy to Celtic tribe Scordiscs, foundators of Serbian Capitol Belgrade- on Serbian language but, also on Irish and English.

Even when they were outnumbered, Celts resisted, same as Serbs today, always... Decison that resist, Serbs never bring having in mind number of their opponents. For Serbs, most important are values which they tries to protect.

Orthodox Celts

SONIC GARDEN
sonicgarden.com/sonic-web/artist.cfm?artistid=5561

Orthodox Celts are a seven-member band from Belgrade, Serbia playing Irish music. During the last seven years, as a unique type of band in this part of Europe, Orthodox Celts have popularized Irish music and culture on a high level. Beside that, very interesting is the fact that this band is one of the most popular groups at the pop-rock scene in their country.

Some of best songs:

St.Patrick Was A Gentleman
Sindidun
Green Roses
Marie's Wedding
Rare Old Mountain Dew
Gravel Walk
Stand Up To Your Devil
Leads Me On
Rocky Road To Dublin/Down The River
Merry Sisters
Bean Na Shi
Me, Myself And Sky
Whisky You're The Devil
Far Away
Wind That Shakes The Barley/Sailor On The Rock
The Beggarman

lyricsmagnet.com/lyrics/ORTHODOX+CELTS.html

GREEN ROSES

lyricsmagnet.com/song/ORTHODOX+CELTS/GREEN+ROSES_lyrics_cylrya.html

At the crack of the dawn thunder and lightning crossed the way
The shadow of knight waited to see the bright light of the day
Nobody saw his bitter tears through the dark veil of rain
The river of blood under his feet run wild again and again

SINDIDUN

lyricsmagnet.com/song/ORTHODOX+CELTS/SINDIDUN_lyrics_cylryl.html

I've travelled way to hell and back, the blood of orange made my bill
With heavy cross upon my neck I ran from hands of hangman's will
Yes I've killed I must admit, bombs and guns my friends have been
That's the bid I have to pay, that's my heavy portion of sin


These two songs sow many versions, from different authors, during NATO bombardment. I already presented one version, which is combination of these two songs.
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   Nov 19, 07, 11:27   #37
Quoting: Crnogorac
Because of all this we can surely confirm that the Slavic people are in reality the healthiest and cleanest part of today’s Europe.


Tell me more about this. Especially in regards to Serbia' treatment of its mentally ill children. Are they not left to rot in dungeons in their hundreds? Is this how you maintain your 'health' and 'cleanliness'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/16/wserbi a116.xml

Is this how you "resist the galloping globalization and Judaist liberalism of EU." [/quote]
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Edited by: Crow   Nov 19, 07, 11:52   #38
Article is obviously launched as part of anti-Serbian propaganda, in order to present Serbs as bad guys in moment when Serbia resits to Kosovo separation.

Situation is Serbian mental hospitals aren’t perfect but this article greatly exaggerates. Nothing in Serbia today isn`t perfect. Our country was heavily devastated in NATO bombardment in 1999 (100 MLRD US $ damage), our economy, infrastructure, schools, mental hospitals , airports, road tunnels, bridges, factories, even our pregnant woman and children were target. We doing our best to rebuild our country and we would consolidate.

Koątunica (Serbian PM) slams health institution report

15 November 2007 | 12:53 | Source: B92, Beta, Tanjug
b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=11&dd=15&nav_id=45424

BELGRADE -- Vojislav Koątunica says the government will set up a commission to establish the situation in specialized institutions.

Ljajic announces measures for improvement of situation in institutions for mentally challenged

srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=40881&q=mental

Novi Sad, Nov 17, 2007 – Serbian Minister of Labour and Social Policy Rasim Ljajic said today that this Ministry has launched short-term measures for immediate improvement of the poor situation in the institutions and centres for mentally challenged persons.

Upon visit to the Centre for the mentally challenged in Curug near Novi Sad, Ljajic said that his Ministry will make a re-distribution of its budget in order to secure funds for the first aid to these institutions.

Government to determine responsibility for accusations of torture in hospitals for disabled

srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=40788&q=mental

Relevant ministers have informed me that many facts presented in the report by the organisation Mental Disability Rights International (MDRI) on conditions in institutions for mentally challenged people are incorrect. Accusations that torture is used as a method for treating children and that these institutions are in fact prisons for children are particularly malicious.

The Serbian government will insist that all facts in this matter are brought to light and will also determine who is responsible for incorrect accusations made against Serbia in the report titled, “Torture as Treatment”.

Mental health strategy in Serbia

25 January 2007 | 11:38 | Source: B92
b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=01&dd=25&nav_id=3924 9

BELGRADE -- Serbia adopts National mental health strategy


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   Nov 19, 07, 12:11   #39
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Article is obviously launched as part of anti-Serbian propaganda, in order to present Serbs as bad guys in moment when Serbia resits to Kosovo separation.


You need to tell your foreign Minister and Ambassadors about this "anti-serb propaganda" as they have admitted the validity of the accusations put to them regarding this disgusting practice. Maybe you should look into their ancestry and see if you can find any Jewish lineage. This would perhaps explain their remarks.

By the way, this is not one article. There are numerous articles about this disgrace. Numerous pieces on national and international news. The first instinct of the Serb authorities was the same as yours, the usual Serb response of crying persecution and conspiracy. This was until the evidence was shown to be overwhelming and damning. To their credit they have reacted with a call to the international community to help them with this problem that they dont have the means to sort out. It seems however from your response that not all of the Serbian authorities have got out of their old habits of media manipulation and deceit.
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   Nov 21, 07, 13:32   #40
Crow, you're one very sick individual indeed. Now, go take your chill pills and see your psychiatrist (unless he's still busy shagging your mama).

Please refrain from posting your **** on these forums with your quasi-historical blabberings. It's really painful to read your fascist ramblings, I feel a bit sorry for you. But most of all I hope your mama will give you a real good ass whooping after reading your retarded posts.
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